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And yet it still will not get through will it?A very senior person in my business yesterday summed it up by saying frankly it does not matter what Brexit we get but that we end it one way or another as the uncertainty is what kills us.I think we could all agree we want it sorting one way or another.....
And now Leadsom jumps ship..... give May 24 hours tops now
Tomorrow is the perfect time to put in a motion of no confidence in the government, lets see if these Tory back stabbers really do want her out 😀😀😀
Quote from: Filo on May 22, 2019, 11:06:03 pmTomorrow is the perfect time to put in a motion of no confidence in the government, lets see if these Tory back stabbers really do want her out 😀😀😀They want just her out, not a general election.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 23, 2019, 04:10:11 pmQuote from: Filo on May 22, 2019, 11:06:03 pmTomorrow is the perfect time to put in a motion of no confidence in the government, lets see if these Tory back stabbers really do want her out 😀😀😀If Corbyn has any sense he'd call for a Confidence vote. Either the Tories back her to avoid an election and look hypocritical and gutless; or they vote against her and trigger a general election...which would happen too soon to be able to replace May and she'd have to lead them into it! Sounds like a win-win to me.They want just her out, not a general election.I know that, but current tory party rules prevent it, so put the back stabbing bas**rds on the spot, see ifthey have got any balls 😂😂😂
Quote from: Filo on May 22, 2019, 11:06:03 pmTomorrow is the perfect time to put in a motion of no confidence in the government, lets see if these Tory back stabbers really do want her out 😀😀😀If Corbyn has any sense he'd call for a Confidence vote. Either the Tories back her to avoid an election and look hypocritical and gutless; or they vote against her and trigger a general election...which would happen too soon to be able to replace May and she'd have to lead them into it! Sounds like a win-win to me.They want just her out, not a general election.
So, we're three years into the greatest national crisis since the War, we're two months past the deadline for Brexit, were five months from the next deadline and the Govt is going to be paralysed for the next 2 months sorting out the coronation of Boris f**king Johnson.Ken Clarke has just summed it up on R4. The next few weeks are going to be a grim period of a group of Tories kicking lumps out of each other to prove who is the most Europhobic.We are an international embarrassment. And whoever wins won't change the fact that there's no form of Brexit that commands a majority in the House or the country.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 24, 2019, 08:21:06 amSo, we're three years into the greatest national crisis since the War, we're two months past the deadline for Brexit, were five months from the next deadline and the Govt is going to be paralysed for the next 2 months sorting out the coronation of Boris f**king Johnson.Ken Clarke has just summed it up on R4. The next few weeks are going to be a grim period of a group of Tories kicking lumps out of each other to prove who is the most Europhobic.We are an international embarrassment. And whoever wins won't change the fact that there's no form of Brexit that commands a majority in the House or the country.Is 17.4 million enough of a mandate?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 24, 2019, 08:37:31 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 24, 2019, 08:21:06 amSo, we're three years into the greatest national crisis since the War, we're two months past the deadline for Brexit, were five months from the next deadline and the Govt is going to be paralysed for the next 2 months sorting out the coronation of Boris f**king Johnson.Ken Clarke has just summed it up on R4. The next few weeks are going to be a grim period of a group of Tories kicking lumps out of each other to prove who is the most Europhobic.We are an international embarrassment. And whoever wins won't change the fact that there's no form of Brexit that commands a majority in the House or the country.Is 17.4 million enough of a mandate?You're forgetting to subtract the Remain votes.
Axholme,An advisory referendum is not like a General Election."First past the post, winner takes all" is not relevant.You would not suggest that the result of a GE should be binding indefinetly....it applies only to the period a government is in power.So why would an out of date referendum, conducted in 2016, still hold when circumstances have changed and a new administration takes charge?Democracy is renewable...it needs to be refreshed as things change and move on!
Quote from: albie on May 24, 2019, 12:11:03 pmAxholme,An advisory referendum is not like a General Election."First past the post, winner takes all" is not relevant.You would not suggest that the result of a GE should be binding indefinetly....it applies only to the period a government is in power.So why would an out of date referendum, conducted in 2016, still hold when circumstances have changed and a new administration takes charge?Democracy is renewable...it needs to be refreshed as things change and move on!Is democracy to keep on voting until you get the 'right' answer?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 24, 2019, 01:38:58 pmQuote from: albie on May 24, 2019, 12:11:03 pmAxholme,An advisory referendum is not like a General Election."First past the post, winner takes all" is not relevant.You would not suggest that the result of a GE should be binding indefinetly....it applies only to the period a government is in power.So why would an out of date referendum, conducted in 2016, still hold when circumstances have changed and a new administration takes charge?Democracy is renewable...it needs to be refreshed as things change and move on!Is democracy to keep on voting until you get the 'right' answer?Dunno, why don't we ask David Davis his opinion on a country changing its mind?https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-countries-democracy-brexit-vote-article-50-second-referendum-a7629636.html
I can't believe Raab is even being considered, knowing he didn't actually realise how important the Dover-Calais crossing was. Batshit mental.