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Aye. At 10%. And it basically replaced a Purchase Tax we'd had since the War.I'm not against a sales tax per se. Pretty much every developed economy has one. It helps control consumption.But in the UK,it was introduced at 10% by Heath. Reduced to 8% under Wilson. Increased to 15% by Thatcher and 17.5% by Major, reduced to 15% under Brown and increased to 20% under Cameron.Draw your own conclusions.
I see this little shite is stirring the pot.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49251257What, precisely, are the EU supposed to negotiate with us that they haven't spent the past 30 months negotiating?This is the plan though. Have no f**king plan whatsoever for negotiations, blame the EU for not negotiating, then call an election and assume there'll be enough Pavlov Dog anti-EU votes to get them in.
Isn't VAT a fairer tax than income tax? At least it means individuals who CHOOSE to spend the most on purchases pay the most VAT.
Aaaaaannnnnnnddddddd the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and rou....! 1) Brexiters voted to leave with no deal.2) Any deal after should have no bearing on the result.
Albie. As far as I'm aware there was no talk of any deal that would mean us remaining in the EU prior to the vote, should we vote to leave. We had a vote and voted to leave. Since then, the EU has jumped on the bandwagon of support from some of our politicians who have betrayed our democratic vote to leave. This would not have been possible had they not received public support of their betrayal.
Regarding VAT, here's the data from the Office of National Statistics.https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/theeffectsoftaxesandbenefitsonhouseholdincome/financialyearending2017#indirect-taxes-increase-inequality-of-incomeHave a look in particular at Figure 5 and the text below it which says "although richer households pay more in indirect taxes than poorer ones in total, they pay less as a proportion of their income. The poorest fifth of households paid almost 30% of their disposable income in indirect tax – with VAT (12.8%) being the biggest component – compared with 14.6% of disposable income for the richest fifth of households. This means that indirect taxes increase inequality of income.The graph shows categorically, that, as a proportion of income, the poorest pay far more than the wealthiest on VAT and other indirect taxes, and also benefit far more from Govt spending on state education and the NHS.Now. Stop and think.In 2010, the first thing the Tories did was to increase VAT by a third. And they have also significantly cut the amount of our national income we spend on state education, and the NHS. Farage has a career of saying that he wants to decrease income tax (a tax which actually makes poorer people better off, because they pay little of it, but it pays for a good chunk of the NHS, pensions and education) and he wants us to move away from the Govt paying for the NHS through taxes.Again. Draw your own conclusions.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on August 07, 2019, 02:31:00 pmAlbie. As far as I'm aware there was no talk of any deal that would mean us remaining in the EU prior to the vote, should we vote to leave. We had a vote and voted to leave. Since then, the EU has jumped on the bandwagon of support from some of our politicians who have betrayed our democratic vote to leave. This would not have been possible had they not received public support of their betrayal.Sorry BB but I am bit confused here. Which you would no doubt (correctly) say wasn't too hard but - Who has betrayed the democratic vote to leave:a) The Tory MP's who voted for May's deal to leave the EUb) the ERG MP's who voted against May's deal to leave the EU
Quote from: wilts rover on August 07, 2019, 03:08:27 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 07, 2019, 02:31:00 pmAlbie. As far as I'm aware there was no talk of any deal that would mean us remaining in the EU prior to the vote, should we vote to leave. We had a vote and voted to leave. Since then, the EU has jumped on the bandwagon of support from some of our politicians who have betrayed our democratic vote to leave. This would not have been possible had they not received public support of their betrayal.Sorry BB but I am bit confused here. Which you would no doubt (correctly) say wasn't too hard but - Who has betrayed the democratic vote to leave:a) The Tory MP's who voted for May's deal to leave the EUb) the ERG MP's who voted against May's deal to leave the EUThat's not too hard, Wilts.Sorry, beat me to it. The ERG voted against May's deal because they didn't consider it to be actually 'leaving' in the sense that the vote supported leaving. Those who supported May's vote obviously thought that it was. Either way, the vote shouldn't have been about whether we left or not. We'd already voted to do so.