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He shouldn't resign simply because of the turmoil that would create in the short term above it is now...Let the people decide if they trust him to run the Country.These calls for him to resign are equally about opportunity for the Scots,Welsh and Labour. We can have a g/e in a matter of weeks and put an end to this one way or another..I'm tired of the lot of them,remainers smugly sitting in the house of commons claiming they are ready to get back to work with selfies..Oh Really we've had nothing but squabbling,back stabbing,treachery from the lot of them for 3 years..They've achieved absolutely nothing so the week that they have had off has made no difference...I appreciate most of you are remainers and every little opportunity to disrupt brexit you are seizing upon to cry foul..i'm tired of every party and both sides of the brexit..So lets get it to the vote
Boris wont resign nor should he..He should call a general election and maybe this time the opposition partys might go for it..Boris/tory's v Corbyn/labour with the lib dems thrown in...That's the first vote the people should decide....
Quote from: wing commander on September 24, 2019, 12:41:29 pmBoris wont resign nor should he..He should call a general election and maybe this time the opposition partys might go for it..Boris/tory's v Corbyn/labour with the lib dems thrown in...That's the first vote the people should decide....Just do a thought experiment. Imagine if Jeremy Corbyn was PM and he'd just been found guilty by a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court of deliberately lying to the Queen in order to prevent the elected Sovereign body of the country from holding him to task while he manoeuvred to make the biggest constitutional change for more than a century (arguably 3 centuries) having himself only been elected by a vote of a bunch of extreme left activists, who constituted 1 in 350 of the entire electorate.Just stop and ponder for 5 minutes. Then ask yourself if you'd just shrug your shoulders and say, "Aye. No problem. He can remain as PM."This is MASSIVE. Until very, very recently, things that weren't a fraction as serious as this would immediately end political careers. You CANNOT just turn a blind eye. The fact that we are even discussing it is terrifying in its implications for the health of our democracy.
I disagree a little there BST - yes, if the Tories don’t change and BJ is still the leader going into an election - but if they have a new leader and a clear manifesto then that’s not necessarily approving the current regime.?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2019, 04:05:55 pmQuote from: wing commander on September 24, 2019, 12:41:29 pmBoris wont resign nor should he..He should call a general election and maybe this time the opposition partys might go for it..Boris/tory's v Corbyn/labour with the lib dems thrown in...That's the first vote the people should decide....Just do a thought experiment. Imagine if Jeremy Corbyn was PM and he'd just been found guilty by a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court of deliberately lying to the Queen in order to prevent the elected Sovereign body of the country from holding him to task while he manoeuvred to make the biggest constitutional change for more than a century (arguably 3 centuries) having himself only been elected by a vote of a bunch of extreme left activists, who constituted 1 in 350 of the entire electorate.Just stop and ponder for 5 minutes. Then ask yourself if you'd just shrug your shoulders and say, "Aye. No problem. He can remain as PM."This is MASSIVE. Until very, very recently, things that weren't a fraction as serious as this would immediately end political careers. You CANNOT just turn a blind eye. The fact that we are even discussing it is terrifying in its implications for the health of our democracy. I strongly suspect that, to many people, that will all depend on how the right wing media paint it tomorrow morning.
30% of the population think the Supreme Court was wrong. I wonder how many of them also think that we should be leaving the EU to regain sovereignty so that we can 'take back control'. Clearly the wrong type of sovereignty and the wrong type of control...https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1176503707741097985
I'd be fascinated to know what Cummings is thinking tonight. Behind that exterior look of a man who is taking on far more than he can handle and is stressed to breaking point, I suspect he's shitting himself that he's taken on more than he can handle and he's stressed to breaking point.
Our countries f*cked.
I actually think the chances of a deal have gone up in the past couple of weeks, even if that is from 0% to 10%.There is going to be a GE in the next few months. Old 'die in a ditch' Johnson has staked his reputation and chance of 5 years of power on leaving the EU by 31st October. Farage is waiting with a shovel at the side of the ditch if he doesn't do it. The only possibilty he has of leaving on 31st October is with a deal.Therefore the chances of a deal have gone up.
The original vote says 106 members voted, but if you add up the numbers they total 108. Dodgy dealings?!!