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He is legally bound to seek an extension if there isn’t a deal in place, under the Benn act, isn’t he.?I still believe he wants no deal, otherwise why did he try to shut down parliament to prevent them trying to block no deal.?If the EU or parliament doesn’t agree this deal, and if the Benn Act is followed, but there are no alternative deals, what can we do.?
It reads to me like a compromise, some wins, some not. It feels like a fairly sensible deal on the face of it no?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 17, 2019, 11:58:22 amIt reads to me like a compromise, some wins, some not. It feels like a fairly sensible deal on the face of it no?So why was Johnson dead set against this 12 and 4 months ago. What's changed since then?DUP have now said that they're not voting for this deal. So it comes down to a dozen or so Labour MPs like Hoey, Mann and Flint.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 17, 2019, 12:52:58 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 17, 2019, 11:58:22 amIt reads to me like a compromise, some wins, some not. It feels like a fairly sensible deal on the face of it no?So why was Johnson dead set against this 12 and 4 months ago. What's changed since then?DUP have now said that they're not voting for this deal. So it comes down to a dozen or so Labour MPs like Hoey, Mann and Flint.Million € question....I'd say power, power, power.Juncker has just given him a big boost though saying no extension. If the EU say that it's a done deal.
Juncker doesn't have the authority to make that decision. If the deal is voted down on Saturday, there is no way on earth the EU wouldn't agree to an extension.
IDM, the So called Ben act has no jurisdiction on the EU, if they say it is this deal or no deal, and bear in mind they are happy with the agreement because it suits them, they will threaten the no deal as an alternative and throw their mates to the Lions. The EU industrialists are thoroughly fed up and starting to make waves, The EU threat to the city has dissipated, and was a non starter anyway. It is beginning to look as though Boso and his advisory have completely out manoeuvred the opposition and is just letting them back themselves into a corner screaming and shouting.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 17, 2019, 03:09:19 pmJuncker doesn't have the authority to make that decision. If the deal is voted down on Saturday, there is no way on earth the EU wouldn't agree to an extension.Yes he doesn't, very hard to know who has and hasn't so rely on the press.The numbers are actually quite tight in parliament, even without the DUP if he can convince all of the current Tories and independent Tories he doesn't need that many from Labour.
Just how? How can anyone even for a second consider voting for him? How little self-respect must you have to allow yourself to be bullshitted like this and still support him?
Quote from: selby on October 17, 2019, 04:50:25 pm IDM, the So called Ben act has no jurisdiction on the EU, if they say it is this deal or no deal, and bear in mind they are happy with the agreement because it suits them, they will threaten the no deal as an alternative and throw their mates to the Lions. The EU industrialists are thoroughly fed up and starting to make waves, The EU threat to the city has dissipated, and was a non starter anyway. It is beginning to look as though Boso and his advisory have completely out manoeuvred the opposition and is just letting them back themselves into a corner screaming and shouting.So...Parliament rejects the deal..BJ is forced to ask for an extension..The EU says no extension, no new dealParliament debates no deal, rejects no deal.The only option then is revoking article 50..
Quote from: IDM on October 17, 2019, 05:05:26 pmQuote from: selby on October 17, 2019, 04:50:25 pm IDM, the So called Ben act has no jurisdiction on the EU, if they say it is this deal or no deal, and bear in mind they are happy with the agreement because it suits them, they will threaten the no deal as an alternative and throw their mates to the Lions. The EU industrialists are thoroughly fed up and starting to make waves, The EU threat to the city has dissipated, and was a non starter anyway. It is beginning to look as though Boso and his advisory have completely out manoeuvred the opposition and is just letting them back themselves into a corner screaming and shouting.So...Parliament rejects the deal..BJ is forced to ask for an extension..The EU says no extension, no new dealParliament debates no deal, rejects no deal.The only option then is revoking article 50..Still wrong, default legal position is to leave 31st, Benn act requires pm to seek extension if the deal is not passed by parliament or a no deal brexit is not approved by parliament by Saturday. If EU do not agree to an extension we leave with no deal
Quote from: Ldr on October 17, 2019, 05:54:09 pmQuote from: IDM on October 17, 2019, 05:05:26 pmQuote from: selby on October 17, 2019, 04:50:25 pm IDM, the So called Ben act has no jurisdiction on the EU, if they say it is this deal or no deal, and bear in mind they are happy with the agreement because it suits them, they will threaten the no deal as an alternative and throw their mates to the Lions. The EU industrialists are thoroughly fed up and starting to make waves, The EU threat to the city has dissipated, and was a non starter anyway. It is beginning to look as though Boso and his advisory have completely out manoeuvred the opposition and is just letting them back themselves into a corner screaming and shouting.So...Parliament rejects the deal..BJ is forced to ask for an extension..The EU says no extension, no new dealParliament debates no deal, rejects no deal.The only option then is revoking article 50..Still wrong, default legal position is to leave 31st, Benn act requires pm to seek extension if the deal is not passed by parliament or a no deal brexit is not approved by parliament by Saturday. If EU do not agree to an extension we leave with no dealYou think Parliament will allow that.?
I'd consider it. Any deal is better than no deal.
If the EU reject an extension parliament has no choice
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on October 17, 2019, 06:34:50 pmI'd consider it. Any deal is better than no deal.You are Boris Johnson and I claim my used kipper/pork pie/bit of everest that collapsed in 2014....