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idler

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1020 on March 24, 2020, 12:54:33 PM by idler »
I can't understand Johnson the way he has gone about anything with advisers and medical experts.
 All he has to do is read the experts like Filo, Glynn, Syd, and Billy, on here and he could solve every problem about Brexit and corona virus for free, and get rid of all those so called experts around him and appoint real experts in everything.

Wind yer neck in, take this shit seriously for a change instead of trying to point score all the time, we know how you voted, you know how we voted, but this shit is bigger than Politics, itís time you acted your age!
if itís not about politics why the constant bashing of Johnson and the tories? He is getting advised by experts why not leave him to it? This is not particularly aimed at you but many on this thread
Maybe he would get less stick if he had acted on the experts advise earlier though.

bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1021 on March 24, 2020, 05:05:58 PM by bpoolrover »
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We donít no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him

IDM

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1022 on March 24, 2020, 05:09:23 PM by IDM »
Donít forget that less than two weeks ago we were being only told to wash our hands properly and that over 70s shouldnít go on cruises.  Meanwhile places like France and of course Italy were further ahead in their social restrictions.

bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1023 on March 24, 2020, 05:10:50 PM by bpoolrover »
Germany seem to be pretty on par with us on restriction are they getting the same advice?

wilts rover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1024 on March 24, 2020, 05:25:41 PM by wilts rover »
Germany seem to be pretty on par with us on restriction are they getting the same advice?

I don't ever remember Merkle saying they were aiming for herd immunity, it was OK to shake hands with people in a hospital that had covid-19 patients in it, 200000 people could go to a horse racing festival because the virus doesn't survive long in the open air, there was no need to close schools or football grounds and she was going to see her elderly mother on Mother's Day - but if you can point me to it then I would be grateful.

But I believe she is doing a great deal of testing - is they why Germany has one of the lowest mortality rates in Europe?

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1025 on March 24, 2020, 05:37:53 PM by BillyStubbsTears »
Germany seem to be pretty on par with us on restriction are they getting the same advice?

Germany is several days behind us in the development of their epidemic.

They are several days ahead of us in locking down.

Days matter vitally. They have acted something like 20 days ahead of us and they are bending the curve of deaths down much earlier than we have done.

The really big question on preparation though is this:

The scientific experts were warning the Govt in late January that a major epidemic was possible. why has it taken the thick end of 2 months (two f**king MONTHS!) for Govt to start prioritising the emergency ordering of PPE for health workers, ventilators for ICU wards and testing kits?

That's done now. That opportunity to get ahead of the curve has gone. There is no point focussing on it for now. We are where we are now and it is vital that we take the actions we need to do to minimise the problem from here.

But when this thing is defeated and we are getting back to normal, there is a very, very serious inquest to be had about what the hell was going on in Govt from late January to mid March.

BigH

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1026 on March 24, 2020, 08:32:17 PM by BigH »
Self-congratulatory pats on the back all round for 'getting Brexit done'.

Followed by half term hols.

That's what was happening.

SydneyRover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1027 on March 25, 2020, 02:27:19 AM by SydneyRover »
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We donít no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him

Is this long enough bp?

Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1028 on March 25, 2020, 09:16:43 AM by Glyn_Wigley »
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We donít no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him

Is this long enough bp?

Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage

And this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/confused-dangerous-flippant-worlds-media-pans-pms-handling-of-coronavirus-boris-johnson

bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1029 on March 25, 2020, 09:38:47 AM by bpoolrover »
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We donít no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him

Is this long enough bp?

Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage
. Itís obviously wrong there is not enough equipment but to blame boris is ridiculous it should have been in place already he has only been in the job a short time

Filo

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1030 on March 25, 2020, 09:41:45 AM by Filo »
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We donít no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him

Is this long enough bp?

Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage
. Itís obviously wrong there is not enough equipment but to blame boris is ridiculous it should have been in place already he has only been in the job a short time


I agree, the NHS has been raped for the last 10 years, now maybe, just maybe our NHS might get the proper funding it deserves and any notion that it will be sold off is now pie in the sky

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1031 on March 25, 2020, 09:48:39 AM by BillyStubbsTears »
Bpool.

We knew that this virus had a high chance of hitting us catastrophically 2 months ago.

The Govt did nothing to prepare us until mid March.

I've just heard a manufacturer of medical PPE I reviewed in the radio. She said she contacted Govt in February to say they had a big stock of PPE. She was told they had plenty. The stocks went to Germany, Spain and Chile.

Meanwhile, hospitals are running out of PPE. Staff have been reduced to trying to buy their own masks at Screwfix.

This is a f**king outrage. What the hell was the Govt doing throughout February?

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1032 on March 25, 2020, 09:54:17 AM by Glyn_Wigley »
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We donít no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him

Is this long enough bp?

Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage
. Itís obviously wrong there is not enough equipment but to blame boris is ridiculous it should have been in place already he has only been in the job a short time

Since when has eight months been 'a short time'?

IDM

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1033 on March 25, 2020, 10:20:52 AM by IDM »
Bpool, it appears the government and the PM as the figurehead have acted slowly in recognising and dealing with the pandemic.  To highlight this and to criticise shortcomings isnít having a pop at them because they may not be the party of our choice - this isnít a political issue, thatís for later.

Itís about competence.

We should be following the advice but measures could have happened sooner.

That PPE example is crazy.

bpoolrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1034 on March 25, 2020, 10:22:46 AM by bpoolrover »
The ppe example to me is the fault of the tories before boris, anyway hope everyone is as well as can be and staying safe

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1035 on March 25, 2020, 11:01:32 AM by BillyStubbsTears »
Bpool.

It is not either/or. It is both

1) Back in 2016, a Govt scenario planning event for a pandemic identified that lack of ventilators machines was a key problem. We had 5000. We needed 100,000+. In the four years since, precisely nothing was done about that. THAT is the long term failing.

2) But THIS Govt knew that back in January, when they were being told of the potential threat of CV-19. They did NOTHING about it all through February. They did nothing in securing PPE for NHS staff. Or securing more testing kits.

What you are saying is, if your car is about to hit the wall, you're not going to blame the driver who hit the brakes too late. You're going to blame the previous owner who didn't service the brakes years ago. Maybe both have f**ked up?

Sprotyrover

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1036 on March 25, 2020, 11:14:06 AM by Sprotyrover »
Bpool.

It is not either/or. It is both

1) Back in 2016, a Govt scenario planning event for a pandemic identified that lack of ventilators machines was a key problem. We had 5000. We needed 100,000+. In the four years since, precisely nothing was done about that. THAT is the long term failing.

2) But THIS Govt knew that back in January, when they were being told of the potential threat of CV-19. They did NOTHING about it all through February. They did nothing in securing PPE for NHS staff. Or securing more testing kits.

What you are saying is, if your car is about to hit the wall, you're not going to blame the driver who hit the brakes too late. You're going to blame the previous owner who didn't service the brakes years ago. Maybe both have f**ked up?

Wind your neck in! The Scots Government has had an extra 15% to spend per capita on health....why did they only have 300 respirators for 5 million population?

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1037 on March 25, 2020, 11:27:21 AM by Glyn_Wigley »
Bpool.

It is not either/or. It is both

1) Back in 2016, a Govt scenario planning event for a pandemic identified that lack of ventilators machines was a key problem. We had 5000. We needed 100,000+. In the four years since, precisely nothing was done about that. THAT is the long term failing.

2) But THIS Govt knew that back in January, when they were being told of the potential threat of CV-19. They did NOTHING about it all through February. They did nothing in securing PPE for NHS staff. Or securing more testing kits.

What you are saying is, if your car is about to hit the wall, you're not going to blame the driver who hit the brakes too late. You're going to blame the previous owner who didn't service the brakes years ago. Maybe both have f**ked up?

Wind your neck in! The Scots Government has had an extra 15% to spend per capita on health....why did they only have 300 respirators for 5 million population?

Because they're useless as well?

Filo

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« Reply #1038 on March 25, 2020, 11:38:39 AM by Filo »
Bpool.

It is not either/or. It is both

1) Back in 2016, a Govt scenario planning event for a pandemic identified that lack of ventilators machines was a key problem. We had 5000. We needed 100,000+. In the four years since, precisely nothing was done about that. THAT is the long term failing.

2) But THIS Govt knew that back in January, when they were being told of the potential threat of CV-19. They did NOTHING about it all through February. They did nothing in securing PPE for NHS staff. Or securing more testing kits.

What you are saying is, if your car is about to hit the wall, you're not going to blame the driver who hit the brakes too late. You're going to blame the previous owner who didn't service the brakes years ago. Maybe both have f**ked up?

Wind your neck in! The Scots Government has had an extra 15% to spend per capita on health....why did they only have 300 respirators for 5 million population?

Is nít Scottish Government devolved?

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1039 on March 25, 2020, 11:50:02 AM by BillyStubbsTears »
Filo.

It is. God alone knows what Sproty is rambling on about. He seems to be under the impression that you can't criticise the UK Govt because the SNP have f**ked up.

Filo

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1040 on March 27, 2020, 11:18:54 AM by Filo »
Boris has tested positive for COVID-19

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1041 on March 27, 2020, 11:28:46 AM by BillyStubbsTears »
And tere he was, bragging about shaking hands on a CV-19 ward. Stupid bas**rd.

big fat yorkshire pudding

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« Reply #1042 on March 27, 2020, 11:29:32 AM by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Let's hope he stays healthy or it's prime minister Raab (god help us).

Filo

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« Reply #1043 on March 27, 2020, 11:38:57 AM by Filo »
Iíve just watched the video on the tweet sent out, heís developed a persistent cough he never coughed once on the video, not even a sign of holding a cough in. He says he has a high temperature but shows now signs of sweating, something associated with a high temperature, heís sat there in a jacket shirt and tie, not something you would wear if you had a temperature, Iím sceptical he has it

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1044 on March 27, 2020, 11:45:52 AM by ravenrover »
Can't test NHS staff!

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1045 on March 27, 2020, 11:46:25 AM by Superspy »
And in typical fashion we see the best and worst of people....there are now people tweeting him telling him to die. FFS.

Filo

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #1046 on March 27, 2020, 11:48:03 AM by Filo »
Also heís developed the symptoms in the last 24 hours, it takes 3 days for test results to come back, in my opinion this could be a ďwe are all in it togetherĒ PR stunt

big fat yorkshire pudding

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« Reply #1047 on March 27, 2020, 11:53:05 AM by big fat yorkshire pudding »
A pr stunt, really? Dont be ridiculous.

Also do we not expect the bloody prime.minister being kind of important to get a test?  We all know there should be more tests but he should get one.

Prince Charles however? Erm not for me.

Sprotyrover

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« Reply #1048 on March 27, 2020, 11:55:46 AM by Sprotyrover »
PR stunt! I doubt any MP would do something as stupid.

Filo

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« Reply #1049 on March 27, 2020, 12:02:11 PM by Filo »
Watch the video on twitter, heís wearing the same clothes as he was wearing last night when he went outside to clap the NHS, he says he has developed a persistent cough, but never coughs once