Parliament to be prorogued

[BillyStubbsTears]

See I'm struggling here.

We're told that proroguing Parliament had nothing to do with Brexit.

And yet...the only people who are furious with the SC for ruling this illegal are full-on members of the Brexit Death Cult, from Cummings to Farage, to Lilico.

Strange isn't it?

As I was saying.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1176432418171084800

[BillyStubbsTears]

See I'm struggling here.

We're told that proroguing Parliament had nothing to do with Brexit.

And yet...the only people who are furious with the SC for ruling this illegal are full-on members of the Brexit Death Cult, from Cummings to Farage, to Lilico.

Strange isn't it?

As I was saying.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1176432418171084800

As I was saying.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1181974/Brexit-News-Supreme-Court-ruling-update-latest-Andrew-Bridgen-prorogue-parliament-today

[BillyStubbsTears]

See I'm struggling here.

We're told that proroguing Parliament had nothing to do with Brexit.

And yet...the only people who are furious with the SC for ruling this illegal are full-on members of the Brexit Death Cult, from Cummings to Farage, to Lilico.

Strange isn't it?

As I was saying.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1176432418171084800

As I was saying.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1181974/Brexit-News-Supreme-Court-ruling-update-latest-Andrew-Bridgen-prorogue-parliament-today

As I was saying.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/24/brexit-latest-news-supreme-court-ruling-boris-johnson-prorogue/amp/

How can you not explode with f**king fury at this bas**rd?

He's smirked for weeks as he's said that the prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit.

Now he's been found to have acted unlawfully, he's saying the ruling is because people want to frustrate Brexit.

Be clear in your own heads. If you are prepared to support this man, YOU personally are complicit with this attack on truth, honesty and our democratic system. YOU.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Let's be honest though BST and I agree with you. But if it wasnt for brexit would anyone care?

[Donnywolf]

See I'm struggling here.

We're told that proroguing Parliament had nothing to do with Brexit.

And yet...the only people who are furious with the SC for ruling this illegal are full-on members of the Brexit Death Cult, from Cummings to Farage, to Lilico.

Strange isn't it?

Yeah and I love it ! As I said earlier and a million times since 2016 - vote too divisive

All three "major" Paties talk of getting B****t sorted and bringing the Country back together.

The latter wont happen in my lifetime - it just CANT

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP.

I genuinely don't understand your question.

Brexit is the single most important peacetime decision that Parliament has had to deal with since 1688. Of COURSE the fact that it's about Brexit is what makes people care about the prorogation.

But that wasn't what I was talking about. It was the out and out lying of our leader on the purpose of the prorogation. And how he is now flipping it round to wind up folk in a "us Vs them elite bas**rds" style.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Of course I agree with you on that, let's also be honest, it's made little to no difference to anything has it?  If parliament wasnt intent on stopping brexit entirely it wouldnt have been challenged.  Worth bearing in mind I thought it a bad move all along, not for the difference it made but for the image it portrayed.

The other question today is how the attorney general remains in a job.  It appears he advised the PM this to be a legal move.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

"If parliament wasnt intent on stopping brexit entirely it wouldnt have been challenged."

Please don't you start this lazy nonsense as well.

There has ALWAYS been a majority in Parliament for Brexit. The problem is and always has been that there is no majority for any SPECIFIC Brexit.

That's not my opinion. Definitive proof of that is here.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=268078.msg908205#msg908205

It is vital that you realise that and do t fall into that lazy trap of saying "Well Parliament has always wanted to block Brexit." That is dangerous rubbish. That is what Farage and the far right are using to whip up anti-Parliament frenzy

[drfcsteve]

The principle at stake was that any Prime Minister could silence parliament if they thought they didn't agree with them.

John Major's QC gave some stark examples of what this would allow a Prime Minister to do, for example a Prime Minister could suspend parliament for a year, or longer. Or, they could suspend parliament if they thought they were going to lose a vote of no confidence to stop that happening. The possibilities are endless and the Supreme Court has wisely said, hang on a minute, this can't be right. Good on them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Major showed that a PM could use prorogation to disband the Armed Forces and Parliament wouldn't be able to stop him doing that unless the SC set today's precedent.

[IDM]

I have just read on the bbc ticker that Farage thinks the next steps will be a brexit extension followed by a GE.

For once, I agree with him.!

[IDM]

OMFG this bbc presenter is being a total cock-end, he can’t get a grip on the idea that we must either get a brexit deal, or definitely take no deal off the table before trying to remove Johnson..

[Glyn_Wigley]

When will Boris have the nerve to show his face in the Commons?

It's Wednesday tomorrow, will there be PMQs..?

[BillyStubbsTears]

No. Bercow has said there wasn't time for notification of PMQ.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I hadn't seen that anywhere, thanks BST.

[Donnywolf]

No. Bercow has said there wasn't time for notification of PMQ.

... as with all "conventions / laws" of Parliament each PMQ session has to be scheduled. It has to have a three day deadline for questions to be raised for the PM to answer (or not as they usually dont answer anything *)

* UNLESS it is one of the obviously "planted" questions from their own side

I also mean this happens whoever is PM and whichever Party they are head of

[SydneyRover]

Prorogation nothing to do with Brexit? No sour grapes at the tele?

Alison Pearson The Tele:

‘’MPs may think they can postpone Brexit without consequences, but we'll be the judge of that.

I suppose we were half expecting it, weren’t we? Certainly, I have felt it these past few days, a heartsick sensation, a churning; anxiously waiting to hear what the Supreme Court would decide.  Still hoping it might go the Government’s way and the prorogation would be found to be legal. (Surely the justices couldn’t, wouldn’t interfere with Parliament?) Fearing, though, that it would end up as a full-blown battle between the People and the Establishment’’

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard The Tele:

‘’Celebrate Gina Miller's right to bring her case: she would be locked up in parts of the EU.

Oddly enough for a Brexiteer, I feel almost exhilarated by the Supreme Court’s action. We are settling matters of enormous constitutional importance through the proper institutions’’

Philip Johnston The Tele:

‘’Britain has become a Republic with Bercow at its head.

The Supreme Court has most brazenly encroached on to territory once considered untouchable
Who governs Britain? Not Boris Johnson, it seems. The powers of the executive, stripped away gradually like the Dance of the Seven Veils since 1689, are now all but gone. The few remaining were taken away by, inter alia, the European Union; the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act, which removed the right of the Prime Minister to seek a dissolution; and now by the Supreme Court in overturning the decision to prorogue Parliament’’

Harry de Quetteville The Tele:

‘’UK on slippery slope to US Supreme Court system now judges have taken decision to rule on affairs of politics.

The Golden Triangle is not, as you might imagine, linked to an area near Bermuda where many ships and planes are said to have mysteriously disappeared.
It is the name colloquially applied to the monarch’s private secretary, the prime minister’s principal private secretary and the cabinet secretary – a trio who are supposed to ensure that the convoy of our democracy – parliament, executive and monarch – plots a smooth and harmonious course.
After Tuesday’s Supreme Court verdict, however, that convoy finds itself in uncharted waters’’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/

[BillyStubbsTears]

Going to be a brutal few weeks in Parliament now.

Johnson is totally impotent. He's going to be humiliated on a daily basis. Brexit ain't going to happen on 31 Oct. I wonder what effect these things will have on party support.

[DonnyOsmond]

Boris Johnson: "I was told Brussels would never accept alternative arrangements to the backstop."



The prick was actually going to let us drop out with no deal, despite the EU telling them time and time again to come up with something.

Why the f*ck do any leavers want more power to these lying f*ckwits? Why can't you see these are the bad guys, these are the ones that have been stringing you along...

[Donnywolf]

I despair and return again and again to both the big 2 Parties who keep saying its about time we "sorted" B****t out and then get on with bringing the Country back together

Are they for REAL ? It wont happen in my lifetime

If they get "it" over the line there will instantly be lets say 50% of the electorate (to be neutral) clamouring for a return to the EU. After all the (mainly) Tory MP's did not let the 75 Referendum result get in the way of their ideal of leaving the EU. It took them decades but hey they got there

If they dont get "it" over the line there will equally be hell on. Nobody gave a s*** in 75 with such a big winning marging. We just got on with it BUT with Social Media things are more upfront so today it would be a massively different story and there would be outrage

I always thought the vote was too devisive - and said so on here the day after the Referendum - and I predicted that eventually the Politicians would not go ahead with "it" and would throw the whole thing back to the people and say it was them (the people) who had demanded they be listened to.

I have not been proven right yet and may still be wrong but one thing for sure is this is a political s*** storm the likes of which (I suspect) nobody has lived through

Apologies as I have written that so many times on here and here is another thing I often say. Think of the times a new Party comes to power. They immediately blame the outgoing Govt often for 2 or even more Terms of being in power for all the ills they inherited.

They say "they should never have commited to HS2" as an example as it cost us x Billion and we had nowt to spend on this that or the other. Both of them do it and its often but not always an excuse to cover their current failings (remember I am saying both do it)

Can you just imagine what they are going say if we do or dont leave. Just think of how many decades of thay you (perhaps not me will have to endure)?

If we had left ..... blah blah blah

If we hadnt left .... blah blah blah

So long ramble but can anyone tell me just HOW they are going to bring the Country back together cos I sure as hell cant guess

[albie]

Johnson is to prorogue again next tuesday;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-suspend-parliament-prorogue-queens-speech-brexit-a9133381.html

So once the EU have rejected his barmpot proposal, best not to have further debate in the HoC.

New session means the door is open again to the May deal.

[bpoolrover]

So they are now not back till October the 14th The day they were due to be back, while I’m not saying he was right doing it but did it really make any difference or was it just principles?

[BigH]

So they are now not back till October the 14th The day they were due to be back, while I’m not saying he was right doing it but did it really make any difference or was it just principles?

An interesting point of view.

An alternate one is that, for the sake of shutting up shop for a couple of weeks longer than necessary, and being seen to be a bunch of privileged control freaks who think they own the place, Johnson, Cummings et al went to the extent of acting unlawfully and lying to the Queen.

Why? Did it really make any difference or was it just principles?

[bpoolrover]

I get that mate but what was achieved in the days that they were made to go back? Nothing that I can see and think it was all a bit of drama for nothing

[RedJ]

So being caught willfully lying to the monarch is a bit of drama over nowt is it?

[IDM]

I get that mate but what was achieved in the days that they were made to go back? Nothing that I can see and think it was all a bit of drama for nothing

Didn’t they make some progress on a domestic abuse law.?

There will have been other non-brexit work done, but possibly not making the headlines..

If you take your argument to the extreme, they may as well have closed for 6 months.!

[bpoolrover]

Wondered how long it would take you to pipe up

[bpoolrover]

I get that mate but what was achieved in the days that they were made to go back? Nothing that I can see and think it was all a bit of drama for nothing

Didn’t they make some progress on a domestic abuse law.?

There will have been other non-brexit work done, but possibly not making the headlines..

If you take your argument to the extreme, they may as well have closed for 6 months.!

I get that idm but such a massive deal was made over it and they needed that time to stop there being a no deal brexit and nothing seemed to happen as I said before I’m not saying it was right what he did

[IDM]

They already passed the law to force the PM to ask to extend Brexit if a deal hasn’t been agreed.. the deadline for that is the EU summit in a week or so time, so nothing else can happen yet..

[RedJ]

Wondered how long it would take you to pipe up

I was wondering how long it would take you to make a ridiculously simplistic comment that totally ignored the issue myself.