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Well it looks like it is kicking off over there in La La land, Varadkar coming into trouble with the greens who are themselves coming in for trouble with the farmers who need a Brexit agreement to protect their largest market. Merkel is considering sidelining Barnier to push for an agreement, and no fiscal agreement with the frugal four and the German courts dead set on not continually bailing out their med friends.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/bxllocks-to-the-red-white-and-blue/?fbclid=IwAR30OeIMHQY02ubei33c3sZlQS2ak2qRDkwzgUIP2Rh9hsKpV2HRSQIG5GU QuoteA spokesperson for the Angel of the North protest that took place today, Kim Sanderson, said it would make far more sense to deal with one crisis at a time: “Whichever way you voted in the EU referendum, it was not to lose your job or be worse off.” Sadly, as many of us pointed out during the campaigns, that's exactly what you WERE voting for!
A spokesperson for the Angel of the North protest that took place today, Kim Sanderson, said it would make far more sense to deal with one crisis at a time: “Whichever way you voted in the EU referendum, it was not to lose your job or be worse off.”
Of course he doesNot for nothing do I call him Liar Johnson as it makes him sound like the evil B he obviously is+++++++I hope then that we see a populist movement to rejoin the EU at the very earliest opportunity. After all the Tories kept banging on about us "staying" in the EU after our trial membership - and with their Party always split on whether we should be in or out eventually persuaded the population to vote "OUT" only 44 years laterSo I am in no doubt that a populist movement will democratically take us back in there with the consent of the electorate. I will be 110 is if it takes 40 + years so I can only hope it happens before then
Wolfie, we can't remain. We have officially left, its over, done.I for one am fully behind Johnson in achieving the wonderful trade deal with the EU he has promised us. And like SKS see no problem at all in him achieving it by 31st December (which in reality has to be October so it can be ratified by the EU Parliament) as Johnson always keep his promises doesn't he?
I thought that would be fairly obvious due to their respective locations Glyn, as I posted it will be long term but the Spanish are not going to pass up this opportunity I woulndn't think.''BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Spain has claimed victory in an argument with Britain over the status of Gibraltar, after the European Parliament passed a law that referred to the peninsula as a “colony of the British Crown”''https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-visas/spain-claims-success-in-gibraltar-row-with-britain-idUSKCN1RG199
Wolfie, in 44 years it will not exist.
Quote from: selby on June 21, 2020, 04:48:51 pm Wolfie, in 44 years it will not exist.It won't be the same as it is now but it'll still be there.
It might be, just a few bankrupt Mediterranean countries though, or a reasonably rich northern state, which do you think? The Eastern Europeans will take flight as soon as they realise they will have to chip in money and take in a few refugees, instead of holding their hand out and getting some booty.
Billy, there is clear racism in the Eastern States of the EU, and there is a systemic lack of economic realism in the southern states. And more nationalistic feelings towards their country by the populations in the majority of member countries than there is in the UK. The situation in Dijon in France with the African drug dealers and the Chechens in open warfare with the authorities struggling to contain the violence and now problems in Germany. The EU has got big problems, and it is you who is racial mate, you see it at every turn as a get out. The modern way of stamping feet and trying to tar someone with a different opinion Glynn thanks for that I appreciate you having an opinion. A little test about that is how well Macron does in the up coming elections.
Quote from: selby on June 21, 2020, 08:50:16 pm Billy, there is clear racism in the Eastern States of the EU, and there is a systemic lack of economic realism in the southern states. And more nationalistic feelings towards their country by the populations in the majority of member countries than there is in the UK. The situation in Dijon in France with the African drug dealers and the Chechens in open warfare with the authorities struggling to contain the violence and now problems in Germany. The EU has got big problems, and it is you who is racial mate, you see it at every turn as a get out. The modern way of stamping feet and trying to tar someone with a different opinion Glynn thanks for that I appreciate you having an opinion. A little test about that is how well Macron does in the up coming elections.What have Africans and Chechens who don't have Freedom of Movement into the EU got to do with the EU? And what is this 'clear racism' in Eastern Europe?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 21, 2020, 09:44:51 pmQuote from: selby on June 21, 2020, 08:50:16 pm Billy, there is clear racism in the Eastern States of the EU, and there is a systemic lack of economic realism in the southern states. And more nationalistic feelings towards their country by the populations in the majority of member countries than there is in the UK. The situation in Dijon in France with the African drug dealers and the Chechens in open warfare with the authorities struggling to contain the violence and now problems in Germany. The EU has got big problems, and it is you who is racial mate, you see it at every turn as a get out. The modern way of stamping feet and trying to tar someone with a different opinion Glynn thanks for that I appreciate you having an opinion. A little test about that is how well Macron does in the up coming elections.What have Africans and Chechens who don't have Freedom of Movement into the EU got to do with the EU? And what is this 'clear racism' in Eastern Europe? Glyn, have you not noticed, he regularly come up with tripe he'd dreamed up with no corroboration whatsoever. He's best ignored, not encouraged.
If only the Tories weren't voted in in 2010 then we wouldn't be having Brexit, even if we still had a referendum. 2010 started austerity which then caused people losing jobs, becoming poorer, etc which allowed Brexiteers to blame on foreigners and the EU, "everything would be different if we were out". People bought into that and here we are. At a time, 2010, when as a country we should have been getting the economy going again we stopped spending which as a result has potentially caused long term hardship.
Which has been balanced off in a rise in approval ratings for the EU across members states. Over 70% in every country bar one.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-eu-survey-italy-ireland-portugal-eurosceptic-poll-a8888126.html
Well Tyke, they are lucky that one country with a Far Right Govt made it easy for them by leaving.
Not sure I've ever done that Tyke. You're tilting at windmills. I was pointing out where Hungary and Poland were heading many years ago in here.Do you reckon that they would be paragons of left-liberal social harmony outside the EU? Or that the effort to control the would-be demagogues there is aided by us leaving and lurching to the xenophobic right ourselves?