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NRVirtually no-one is getting into the UK by commercial plane or ferry without a visa, because the carriers won't let them onboard.Pretty much by definition, genuine asylum seekers will not be in a position to get a visa issued in their home country to allow them to travel to Britain legally and then claim asylum.There is no mechanism for applying for asylum BEFORE coming to Britain from the vast majority of countries in the world.Genuine asylum seekers who arrived by "illegal" boat will, once this Bill is passed, be considered to have broken the law and will not be allowed to claim asylum.Tell me. What is the mechanism whereby a genuine asylum seeker can claim asylum in the UK once this Bill goes through?
NR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 11:45:23 pmNR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap. I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?
Truth is if Labour had proposed similar measures to Braverman it would have been far more accepted by Labour voters, and no doubt Billy & co would have defended it.It's all entirely political.
Strange that all you ever do is refuse to engage in discussion and just try to wind people up then BB.I'm sure you get something out of it, but I don't envy you.
Quote from: normal rules on March 18, 2023, 09:43:55 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 11:45:23 pmNR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap. I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?You've clearly not been reading what I've written then because I've said this several times.You start by having an asylum processing system that is fit for purpose. The HO has been dysfunctional for years because this Govt doesn't want a solution. It wants angry people to keep on feeling angry.There is currently a backlog of over 100,000 asylum claims. Last year, 40,000 people arrived on boats and claimed asylum. 314 cases were processed.THAT is the core of the problem. If we had a system that worked to process these cases, we could then deport the bogus claimants while still upholding our legal and moral obligations to genuine claimants. We could also offer a chance for asylum seeker to apply before they arrive. But this Govt has chosen not to offer that other than from a few select countries. Do that effectively and the attraction of boat passage vanishes.[/quotIsn’t it a lot more complex than that? Easy to blame the govt. For every asylum claim that the HO rejects. There will be a counter claim by some human rights lawyer getting paid for by us as they get free and independent legal advice . And so it goes on. The legal aid bill for asylum counter claims must run into tens of millions alone .
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2023, 10:28:52 amQuote from: normal rules on March 18, 2023, 09:43:55 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 11:45:23 pmNR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap. I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?You've clearly not been reading what I've written then because I've said this several times.You start by having an asylum processing system that is fit for purpose. The HO has been dysfunctional for years because this Govt doesn't want a solution. It wants angry people to keep on feeling angry.There is currently a backlog of over 100,000 asylum claims. Last year, 40,000 people arrived on boats and claimed asylum. 314 cases were processed.THAT is the core of the problem. If we had a system that worked to process these cases, we could then deport the bogus claimants while still upholding our legal and moral obligations to genuine claimants. We could also offer a chance for asylum seeker to apply before they arrive. But this Govt has chosen not to offer that other than from a few select countries. Do that effectively and the attraction of boat passage vanishes.[/quotIsn’t it a lot more complex than that? Easy to blame the govt. For every asylum claim that the HO rejects. There will be a counter claim by some human rights lawyer getting paid for by us as they get free and independent legal advice . And so it goes on. The legal aid bill for asylum counter claims must run into tens of millions alone .NR ''Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote''Instead of sidling up to the former home secretary and claiming 'inside knowledge' shouldn't you be writing to the current government asking for a humane solution?Labour are not in power ffs
Which charities do you donate to Sproty? So we can all help like.
Quote from: wilts rover on March 26, 2023, 09:50:19 pmWhich charities do you donate to Sproty? So we can all help like.That’s very good of you Wilts, Zarach is a charity in Leeds that Donates Bed bundles to impoverished kids so they can sleep in a real bed rather than a Sack on the kitchen Floor, (it’s not just the Poem called Timothy Winters it’s real)Parkinson’s Uk and Cancer research Uk.