NHS

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The hospital beds are not full of Covid patients. They are full of elderly and vulnerable people who cannot be discharged back into care homes etc because the care homes are on their knees. It suits the NHS to keep blaming Covid for their inability to manage the situation effectively (which is why the CEO's of trusts get the big bucks).

Admittedly the Government have worsened the situation by insisting that care home workers get jabbed or be sacked but again. The incompetence of the Government and the NHS is not our problem, yet we continually suffer as a result.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The hospital beds are not full of Covid patients. They are full of elderly and vulnerable people who cannot be discharged back into care homes etc because the care homes are on their knees. It suits the NHS to keep blaming Covid for their inability to manage the situation effectively (which is why the CEO's of trusts get the big bucks).

So Boston was actually filling their ICU with old people and not covid victims who needed to be in an ICU?

Hmmm...who to believe, the hospital workers at the end of their tether or someone who comes out with this nonsense...? It's so difficult to choose.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

What you are essentially doing is falling into the trap that most people do. You are absolving the NHS of blame for the unacceptable treatment of your relative and blaming Covid patients.

Instead of relentlessly pursuing the NHS for accountability of failure (because they are an institution that can't be criticised apparently), you are looking elsewhere for the reasons why they did not give your relative the treatment they deserved and were entitled to. 

If the NHS were given 20 billion pounds tomorrow, would the service provision for patients improve?

Anyone who thinks it will needs their head testing. Although you may have to go private for that....

[Axholme Lion]

If the NHS were given every penny in the country they would still be bleating for more.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What you are essentially doing is falling into the trap that most people do. You are absolving the NHS of blame for the unacceptable treatment of your relative and blaming Covid patients.

Instead of relentlessly pursuing the NHS for accountability of failure (because they are an institution that can't be criticised apparently), you are looking elsewhere for the reasons why they did not give your relative the treatment they deserved and were entitled to. 

If the NHS were given 20 billion pounds tomorrow, would the service provision for patients improve?

Anyone who thinks it will needs their head testing. Although you may have to go private for that....

Oh, I have criticised the NHS about the treatment my mother got. But because YOU don't know what is was or why I said what I said, 'What you are essentially doing is falling into the trap that most people do' of thinking they know what other people have done when you haven't got a f**king clue.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

What you are essentially doing is falling into the trap that most people do. You are absolving the NHS of blame for the unacceptable treatment of your relative and blaming Covid patients.

Instead of relentlessly pursuing the NHS for accountability of failure (because they are an institution that can't be criticised apparently), you are looking elsewhere for the reasons why they did not give your relative the treatment they deserved and were entitled to. 

If the NHS were given 20 billion pounds tomorrow, would the service provision for patients improve?

Anyone who thinks it will needs their head testing. Although you may have to go private for that....

Oh, I have criticised the NHS about the treatment my mother got. But because YOU don't know what is was or why I said what I said, 'What you are essentially doing is falling into the trap that most people do' of thinking they know what other people have done when you haven't got a f**king clue.

I don't really care about what other people do tbh, including you. I'm sure though that you criticised the hospital and they issued you with an apology that they didn't really mean and you accepted it instead of taking legal action which may then focus their minds in future and help improve services for future patients. If i'm wrong then apologies. I haven't a f**king clue in mitigation.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What you are essentially doing is falling into the trap that most people do. You are absolving the NHS of blame for the unacceptable treatment of your relative and blaming Covid patients.

Instead of relentlessly pursuing the NHS for accountability of failure (because they are an institution that can't be criticised apparently), you are looking elsewhere for the reasons why they did not give your relative the treatment they deserved and were entitled to. 

If the NHS were given 20 billion pounds tomorrow, would the service provision for patients improve?

Anyone who thinks it will needs their head testing. Although you may have to go private for that....

Oh, I have criticised the NHS about the treatment my mother got. But because YOU don't know what is was or why I said what I said, 'What you are essentially doing is falling into the trap that most people do' of thinking they know what other people have done when you haven't got a f**king clue.

I don't really care about what other people do tbh, including you. I'm sure though that you criticised the hospital and they issued you with an apology that they didn't really mean and you accepted it instead of taking legal action which may then focus their minds in future and help improve services for future patients. If i'm wrong then apologies. I haven't a f**king clue in mitigation.

If you really don't care what other people do and you really acknowledge you haven't a clue, then you really ought to stop trying to lecture them, hmm?

Oh, and you're still wrong, just more incorrect supposition as usual.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The NHS is harming people and contributing to their suffering, and it is about time that people pushed back and demanded a better service and more accountability instead of making allowances for their ineptitude and negligence all the time.

I don't just mean writing a letter of complaint and accepting a meaningless apology, which happens to me regularly. Because they regularly don't do their jobs properly.

As i have always maintained, most of the frontline staff are amazing in the NHS but the managers and many of the consultants need taking down a peg or two. The aren't Gods. Just greedy, arrogant, unempathetic sociopaths half of them.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Just seen my local chippy knocks of 10% for NHS staff as they 'appreciate all the hard work they do for us'.

My local non league club Matlock Town gives free entry to games for NHS staff.

My partner worked throughout the pandemic and underwent a significant amount of stress but she has to pay full price for her fish and chips and isn't able to get into Matlock Town games free of charge.

This sickening favouring of a certain group of people over others just by way of what employment choice they made has to stop!!

It is clear discrimination. Favouring NHS workers over other workers, who also have worked hard and been under stress. Pathetic.

[Sprotyrover]

Sorry for your loss Glyn


 same here Glynn please accept my Condolences.

[Axholme Lion]

Just seen my local chippy knocks of 10% for NHS staff as they 'appreciate all the hard work they do for us'.

My local non league club Matlock Town gives free entry to games for NHS staff.

My partner worked throughout the pandemic and underwent a significant amount of stress but she has to pay full price for her fish and chips and isn't able to get into Matlock Town games free of charge.

This sickening favouring of a certain group of people over others just by way of what employment choice they made has to stop!!

It is clear discrimination. Favouring NHS workers over other workers, who also have worked hard and been under stress. Pathetic.

100% agree. They get treat like some higher life form. I was behind some women in the queue at the supermarket and some woman was waving her NHS card around scrounging for discount. Loads of people worked all way through the past year or two working extra hard due to staff shortages and illness. By the look of her she was topping up on pies! Then they have the cheek to try and tell you how to live your life.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Just seen my local chippy knocks of 10% for NHS staff as they 'appreciate all the hard work they do for us'.

My local non league club Matlock Town gives free entry to games for NHS staff.

My partner worked throughout the pandemic and underwent a significant amount of stress but she has to pay full price for her fish and chips and isn't able to get into Matlock Town games free of charge.

This sickening favouring of a certain group of people over others just by way of what employment choice they made has to stop!!

It is clear discrimination. Favouring NHS workers over other workers, who also have worked hard and been under stress. Pathetic.

So now you want to tell the people (who you say you don't care about what they do) how they should choose to express the gratitude they want to give.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Yes. A local non league football club can donate some money to the NHS if they wish but to allow NHS workers free entry to the games when everyone else has to pay is not an act of gratitude, but a clear act of discrimination against people who don't work for the NHS.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Then sue them and lets see how far you get using the 'discrimination' argument in a legal setting.

[albie]

Interesting that all the focus is on the £85k housing value issue, and not the big issue in plain sight.

[Colin C No.3]

Just seen my local chippy knocks of 10% for NHS staff as they 'appreciate all the hard work they do for us'.

My local non league club Matlock Town gives free entry to games for NHS staff.

My partner worked throughout the pandemic and underwent a significant amount of stress but she has to pay full price for her fish and chips and isn't able to get into Matlock Town games free of charge.

This sickening favouring of a certain group of people over others just by way of what employment choice they made has to stop!!

It is clear discrimination. Favouring NHS workers over other workers, who also have worked hard and been under stress. Pathetic.

It’s all an utter disgrace. I hope you have barred yourself from your local chippie?

This has needled me long enough.

It’s about time the NHS got a taste of its own medicine.

And as for consultants, you go to see them thinking “This’ll be just the tonic I need” only to come away believing they’re poisoning the system. In fact half of them sound plastered.

GP’s! It’s about time they got their finger out.

Hospitals are bleeding the system dry.

The waste! It makes my blood boil.

The whole set up needs lancing.

People like AL & CDH clearly have their finger on the pulse. I hope all their angst is not in vein.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Just seen my local chippy knocks of 10% for NHS staff as they 'appreciate all the hard work they do for us'.

My local non league club Matlock Town gives free entry to games for NHS staff.

My partner worked throughout the pandemic and underwent a significant amount of stress but she has to pay full price for her fish and chips and isn't able to get into Matlock Town games free of charge.

This sickening favouring of a certain group of people over others just by way of what employment choice they made has to stop!!

It is clear discrimination. Favouring NHS workers over other workers, who also have worked hard and been under stress. Pathetic.

It’s all an utter disgrace. I hope you have barred yourself from your local chippie?

This has needled me long enough.

It’s about time the NHS got a taste of its own medicine.

And as for consultants, you go to see them thinking “This’ll be just the tonic I need” only to come away believing they’re poisoning the system. In fact half of them sound plastered.

GP’s! It’s about time they got their finger out.

Hospitals are bleeding the system dry.

The waste! It makes my blood boil.

The whole set up needs lancing.

People like AL & CDH clearly have their finger on the pulse. I hope all their angst is not in vein.

Oh dear.

[albie]

Video explainer on the US privatisation drive in the NHS;
https://youtu.be/7vjoR7LnDqU

All going on below the radar, and the vote this evening is another brick in the wall.

The disgraceful role of New Labour in this clandestine operation is set out too.
Obsessed with the undermining of the idea of public health provision, in favour of a profit driven system.

[SydneyRover]

read this

''In 2018, public satisfaction with the NHS was at its lowest level for more than a decade. The latest data from NatCen’s British Social Attitudes survey – a gold standard measure of public opinion – shows that satisfaction with ‘the way in which the NHS runs nowadays’ has fallen 16 percentage points since 2010, and dissatisfaction has doubled since 2014''

I wonder why, nothing to do with funding or privatisation creep at all?

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2019/03/why-public-satisfaction-nhs-still-falling

[albie]

There is a more recent assessment than that Kings Fund one from 2018, Syd;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/three-quarters-of-uk-public-worried-more-nhs-privatisation-will-damage-care/

What is interesting is that there is unease across the political spectrum, Tories and Labour alike.
It goes to show how out of touch the privateers are from the mainstream.

The barmy idea that change of ownership of provision will bring service improvements is entirely without evidence....basically it is a faith based doctrine!

[SydneyRover]

There is a more recent assessment than that Kings Fund one from 2018, Syd;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/three-quarters-of-uk-public-worried-more-nhs-privatisation-will-damage-care/

What is interesting is that there is unease across the political spectrum, Tories and Labour alike.
It goes to show how out of touch the privateers are from the mainstream.

The barmy idea that change of ownership of provision will bring service improvements is entirely without evidence....basically it is a faith based doctrine!

Thanks Albie, hopefully some of this political unease will morph into brakes being applied to the sell off. The NHS can only survive and be resuscitated if the public cares enough about it, and from what I read here it is at best only a passing interest 'yesterday's news' already. Strange when I would guess that a large percentage of forum members are the ones that will need it most in the coming years.

[Axholme Lion]

I wonder if the NHS will be introducing a priority queue jumping system, so their own staff get treatment first before all the plebs who are paying their wages?

[SydneyRover]

I wonder if the NHS will be introducing a priority queue jumping system, so their own staff get treatment first before all the plebs who are paying their wages?

I think the government has already shown it's hand on that one, healthcare workers are regarded as plebs.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I wonder if the NHS will be introducing a priority queue jumping system, so their own staff get treatment first before all the plebs who are paying their wages?

No doubt you've been wondering this since the NHS was founded.

[drfchound]

I wonder if the NHS will be introducing a priority queue jumping system, so their own staff get treatment first before all the plebs who are paying their wages?

I think the government has already shown it's hand on that one, healthcare workers are regarded as plebs.

SR, that post is really dredging the bottom of the barrel.

[Axholme Lion]

I wonder if the NHS will be introducing a priority queue jumping system, so their own staff get treatment first before all the plebs who are paying their wages?

No doubt you've been wondering this since the NHS was founded.

Not really. It was an excellent idea introduced by the 1945 Labour Government. Unfortunately what we have now has morphed into a quasi religious cult which it is blasphemous to criticize. Some (not all) of the workforce seem to believe that they are special and are a cut above. They've obviously bought into all this super hero b*llocks. They do a job which they chose to do, same as a van driver, plumber, joiner.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Spot on AL.

We are all supposed to revere surgeons for example when in reality all they are is men and women who have trained to cut people open and mend them. Just like a mechanic has trained to fix vehicles but on more money. Doesn't make them any better than or less deserving of criticism than a bus driver for example.

Once people can eventually get their heads around this, strip the lustre off the NHS and see if for what it is - failing behemoth of an organization - then it can improve and thus patients won't be treated like cattle or just as a number like they are now.

One of the reasons why the NHS get away with it and many consultants treat patients with a lack of respect and compassion is because they know the patients have no alternative. Most cannot afford to go private and therefore we have to put up with a shit service and arrogant consultants with God complexes.

I say complain. Demand accountability.

The NHS is the least compassionate organization i have ever had the misfortune to experience.

Worse than Sports Direct.

[Axholme Lion]

Spot on AL.

We are all supposed to revere surgeons for example when in reality all they are is men and women who have trained to cut people open and mend them. Just like a mechanic has trained to fix vehicles but on more money. Doesn't make them any better than or less deserving of criticism than a bus driver for example.

Once people can eventually get their heads around this, strip the lustre off the NHS and see if for what it is - failing behemoth of an organization - then it can improve and thus patients won't be treated like cattle or just as a number like they are now.

One of the reasons why the NHS get away with it and many consultants treat patients with a lack of respect and compassion is because they know the patients have no alternative. Most cannot afford to go private and therefore we have to put up with a shit service and arrogant consultants with God complexes.

I say complain. Demand accountability.

The NHS is the least compassionate organization i have ever had the misfortune to experience.

Worse than Sports Direct.

I have personal experience of this with a relative of mine. They just walked up to his bed and might as well have said 'There's nothing we can do and you're going to die soon'. It was that blunt and matter of fact. Not to mention the fact that he could only eat shakes in little boxes. One day i walked in to find all the nurses laughing and joking stood in a little group eating chocolates, meanwhile he was laid in his bed drinking a shake from a box which was two months out of date and the bedclothes hanging of his feet which were freezing cold. When i challenged them over these matters they didn't like it . I'm sorry but i didn't see much patient care. I have also had similar experiences with another relative.
On the plus side i was taken into hospital a few years back and the best care i experienced was from the asian nurses ( maybe Philipino ), they looked after you better than our own.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Spot on AL.

We are all supposed to revere surgeons for example when in reality all they are is men and women who have trained to cut people open and mend them. Just like a mechanic has trained to fix vehicles but on more money. Doesn't make them any better than or less deserving of criticism than a bus driver for example.

Once people can eventually get their heads around this, strip the lustre off the NHS and see if for what it is - failing behemoth of an organization - then it can improve and thus patients won't be treated like cattle or just as a number like they are now.

One of the reasons why the NHS get away with it and many consultants treat patients with a lack of respect and compassion is because they know the patients have no alternative. Most cannot afford to go private and therefore we have to put up with a shit service and arrogant consultants with God complexes.

I say complain. Demand accountability.

The NHS is the least compassionate organization i have ever had the misfortune to experience.

Worse than Sports Direct.

I have personal experience of this with a relative of mine. They just walked up to his bed and might as well have said 'There's nothing we can do and you're going to die soon'. It was that blunt and matter of fact. Not to mention the fact that he could only eat shakes in little boxes. One day i walked in to find all the nurses laughing and joking stood in a little group eating chocolates, meanwhile he was laid in his bed drinking a shake from a box which was two months out of date and the bedclothes hanging of his feet which were freezing cold. When i challenged them over these matters they didn't like it . I'm sorry but i didn't see much patient care. I have also had similar experiences with another relative.
On the plus side i was taken into hospital a few years back and the best care i experienced was from the asian nurses ( maybe Philipino ), they looked after you better than our own.

I too have extensive personal experience of this. I currently have pre action letters being perused by two separate large hospitals, my GP practice and my local Community Mental Health Team.

If they don't do their jobs to the standards i expect, if i can prove they are culpable of disability discrimination and clinical negligence, and it impacts my healthcare (as it massively has done) then i will take action until they improve and i get what i deserve as a patient. It really is unacceptable and putting patient safety at risk. If more people complained, services would have to improve.

The sheer deficiency in people skills, empathy and patient consideration by many consultants i have seen is astonishing. They are often dismissive, arrogant, blunt, fail to clearly explain things properly, they don't listen, they lack empathy and quite frankly they need retraining in interpersonal skills and customer service.

Patients are anxious, frightened and may not be very well when they have to access healthcare and they get treated like shit by those supposed to care.

My cat gets better empathy, support, patience and understanding by the vet than i do by a consultant when i go to a hospital appointment. Disgrace.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Just noticed your last comment AL about asian / phillipino nurses. I had a hernia op this year which had grown to the size of a basketball due to being left by the NHS, and the most attentive and genuine assistance i got in hospital was when i was coming round from the anaesthetic by a phillipino nurse.

She was telling me that she was saving up and looking to go back to her homeland asap but couldn't due to the Covid rules.

A true professional and a genuinely decent person. You remember the good service as much as you remember the bad. Unfortunately it is mostly bad in my experience.