Brexit Dividend

[SydneyRover]

Daniel Hannan ............... Hmmm

[selby]

  The Hoover story reminds me of the old large billboard that used to be on the approach into Pontefract from Knottingley for a hoover junior.
   Nothing sucks like a Hoover Junior in big black type along with a photo of said machine and a housewife using it in the house.
   In big black letters written underneath   
       J*****  N******   DOES
  It was there for months.

[SydneyRover]

''Wizz Air boss blames air travel disruption on Brexit''

''Wizz Air has blamed the British government’s post-Brexit immigration constraints on the labour market for fueling the staff shortages in the aviation industry that are blighting travel plans and holidays.

József Váradi, the founder and chief executive of the low-cost airline, blamed the disruption, cancellations and delays at Britain’s airports over the last two months on others in the industry.

Claiming that Wizz has adequately numbers of pilots and cabin crew, he said: “There is understaffing in air traffic control management. There is insufficient staffing at airports and in ground handling. The solution is that the supply chain needs to perform to standard. That is what we are missing.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=Truss+ousts+foreign+advisor&rlz=1C1VDKB_en-GBAU957AU957&oq=Truss+ousts+foreign+advisor&aqs=chrome..69i57.13122j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

who would have thought that aye?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know how the Tories Got Brexit Done?

Watch the news on Monday...

[tyke1962]

''Wizz Air boss blames air travel disruption on Brexit''

''Wizz Air has blamed the British government’s post-Brexit immigration constraints on the labour market for fueling the staff shortages in the aviation industry that are blighting travel plans and holidays.

József Váradi, the founder and chief executive of the low-cost airline, blamed the disruption, cancellations and delays at Britain’s airports over the last two months on others in the industry.

Claiming that Wizz has adequately numbers of pilots and cabin crew, he said: “There is understaffing in air traffic control management. There is insufficient staffing at airports and in ground handling. The solution is that the supply chain needs to perform to standard. That is what we are missing.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=Truss+ousts+foreign+advisor&rlz=1C1VDKB_en-GBAU957AU957&oq=Truss+ousts+foreign+advisor&aqs=chrome..69i57.13122j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

who would have thought that aye?

The average salary for an airport baggage handler is £18,578 .

Average working week is 46 Hours .

Which includes weekends , bank holidays and obviously very unsociable hours .

The job involves very repetitive physical and  manual work , highly pressured with aircrafts needing to adhere to timetables .

It's a tough job paying a very average wage .

They may well be more applications for this role if there weren't easier jobs with better hours available .

He failed to mention that of course .

The boss of Wizz should look more closely at his own business model which is constantly losing money and has done for years .

[SydneyRover]

thank dog for the delays in getting a passport or it could be a whole lot worse.

[SydneyRover]

There are problems in airports in the US and Europe too apparently.

[drfchound]

My son and his family flew out to Portugal on Ryanair from East Midlands airport last week.
They had no problems and the flight left on time.

[tyke1962]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27789916

From 2014 , nothing new going on here in my opinion .

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27789916

From 2014 , nothing new going on here in my opinion .

Well there wouldn't be, would there? You've drunk the Brexit koolaid.

[tyke1962]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27789916

From 2014 , nothing new going on here in my opinion .

Well there wouldn't be, would there? You've drunk the Brexit koolaid.

Just simply pointing out that there were problems in the areas highlighted when we were EU members Billy .

Apologies if the facts don't reconcile with your agenda but there you are .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

You're pointing out an effect of Austerity. The Govt chose to cut staffing and it led to a mess.

It's got precisely nothing to do with the current situation.

You cannot spend the rest of your life in post-Brexit England saying "well we had problems when we were in the EU" as a response to every problem that emerges. This is the Britain you wanted. Own it.

[tyke1962]

It always irritates me when Remainers / so called Liberals are highlighting Labour shortages in low paid work as a consequence of Brexit and getting angry about it .

Which leads me to believe they are quite content to look the other way as many Eastern Europeans are exploited in order to continue with the race to the bottom with the less than glamourous jobs in this country .

Nothing to see here with Agency exploitation , ZHC's and The Amazon Fulfilment Centres of this world .

Quite happy for that Cheap Labour and exploitation tap to remain fully turned on just as long as they aren't doing that kind of work it seems .

Unconscious Prejudice would be my call on this mindset .

Anti Tory the Remainers and Liberals may well be but make no mistake they are pro Neoliberals , Thatchers children or disciples taken in by New Labour and the rest of the vermin in the centre and right of the current Labour Party .

The kinder face of capitalism whilst they use "forriners"  to do the shyte work for buttons a week and little rights .

The Unconscious Right Wing dressed as liberal "do gooders" .

Pass me the sick bucket with your hypocrisy .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well Tyke, instead of whining about everyone else's attitudes, now that you've got the Brexit you wanted, how about you roll your sleeves up and make the country work better?

[Ldr]

Well Tyke, instead of whining about everyone else's attitudes, now that you've got the Brexit you wanted, how about you roll your sleeves up and make the country work better?

So you’re not denying what Tyke says, you were quite content for your European ideal to be built on the exploration of others? You’re not really a socialist are you?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I never heard the exploitation of foreigners used as a reason to vote Leave during the referendum campaign. I only heard them being repeatedly blamed for all our troubles. By coming to this country in their millions - presumably desperate to be exploited.

[SydneyRover]

Tyke makes yet another motherhood statement and you defend it Ldr. I'm not sure what low pay and conditions has to do with being in the EU but it sure has a lot do do with having another tory government. Labour are not perfect and have never claimed to be, but putting in another tory government was never going to help. But but but labour couldn't have done any better I hear being  chanted. but I really don't know how it could possibly be worse and all so predictable.

If you want to know how being out of the EU is going to change things write to mogg, he's the man in charge of cutting red tape, you know the stuff the protects water quality, air quality and food quality etc and workers conditions.

[Ldr]

Wouldn’t have said i defended it Syd, I find it a valid point. We built a prosperous economy based on exploitation. Now that avenue has been cut off through brexit. Surely a true socialist would be happy that exploited peoples are no longer exploited?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

On the points people make about airports.  Flight from Manchester this morning, 30 mins from bag drop queue to being sat having my breakfast airside. It really is clearly dependent on the time you hit it.

In France, fairly straightforward.  No separate lines for UK or EU passengers, the French were in the same lines.  Took 10 mins through passport control then a 20 min wait for bags (short staffed apparently but not much to it).

Worth noting how many are flying without issue in this case despite how tricky it clearly has been for many.

[River Don]

I voted for Brexit and hoped for a hard Brexit.

I was wrong.

It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it. It's clear now we can't. It is also clear there is no political appetite to prevent mass immigration into the UK, even though it is an environmental nightmare.

I now think we have to aim for some sort of soft Brexit whilst we remain in the single market. Things had moved too far, we will have to live with it. Reality bites.

I do not want to see any further political integration with the EU. I want to see the uk remain as independent as it possibly can.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wouldn’t have said i defended it Syd, I find it a valid point. We built a prosperous economy based on exploitation. Now that avenue has been cut off through brexit. Surely a true socialist would be happy that exploited peoples are no longer exploited?

How was it built on exploitation? Run the logic of that by me.

I thought you believed in freedom rather than coercion. The EU has a system where areas that have an excess demand for labour can, freely and without coercion, have people from areas where there is an excess supply of labour address that demand. Economically, both sides benefit.

Your and Tyke's misconception seems to be that if there were no immigration taking the available work, then "indigenous" people would be better off. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. If, in the absence of any other policies, people in menial labour jobs were paid significantly more, the effect would be a round of inflation that would quickly erode the benefit of the wage rise.

The problem is that, in the current system, menial labour jobs cannot attract higher wages. But the jobs need doing. And if "indigenous" people don't want to do them, then either immigrants have to do, or the jobs don't get done.

The biggest lie peddled over Brexit is that restricting immigrant labour would magically raise the prospects for "indigenous" labour. It won't. And over the next decade or so, there's going to be a f**k load of anger from people who believed that lie.

[tyke1962]

I voted for Brexit and hoped for a hard Brexit.

I was wrong.

It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it. It's clear now we can't. It is also clear there is no political appetite to prevent mass immigration into the UK, even though it is an environmental nightmare.

I now think we have to aim for some sort of soft Brexit whilst we remain in the single market. Things had moved too far, we will have to live with it. Reality bites.

I do not want to see any further political integration with the EU. I want to see the uk remain as independent as it possibly can.

Not without a mandate from the electorate surely RD ?

[River Don]

I'm not sure Brexit was ever defined as hard or soft.

[drfchound]

I'm not sure Brexit was ever defined as hard or soft.

When it was first talked about RD, you are correct, it wasn’t talked about.IIRC.

[BillyStubbsTears]

RD
It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it.

Two points.

1) Think who the politicians were who told you it was a problem that could be managed.

2) Watch the news on Monday.

[River Don]

RD
It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it.

Two points.

1) Think who the politicians were who told you it was a problem that could be managed.

2) Watch the news on Monday.

I do not think it was politicians telling me what they would do.

It was more a gut instinct about what I wanted to happen and politicians telling me they could deliver it. But they can't.

It's all very disappointing but choices were made before my time and we must live with it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I voted for Brexit and hoped for a hard Brexit.

I was wrong.

It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it. It's clear now we can't. It is also clear there is no political appetite to prevent mass immigration into the UK, even though it is an environmental nightmare.

I now think we have to aim for some sort of soft Brexit whilst we remain in the single market. Things had moved too far, we will have to live with it. Reality bites.

I do not want to see any further political integration with the EU. I want to see the uk remain as independent as it possibly can.

Not without a mandate from the electorate surely RD ?

The electorate never gave a mandate to leave the Single Market or Customs Union!

[tyke1962]

RD
It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it.

Two points.

1) Think who the politicians were who told you it was a problem that could be managed.

2) Watch the news on Monday.

I do not think it was politicians telling me what they would do.

It was more a gut instinct about what I wanted to happen and politicians telling me they could deliver it. But they can't.

It's all very disappointing but choices were made before my time and we must live with it.

Have you considered the consequences for any kind of Brexit U turn RD or as I suspect membership of the SM ? .

Without a mandate from the electorate you are potentially placing this country in a position it's probably never seen since Oliver Cromwell and the far right gaining even more support .

Look across the Atlantic RD .

[tyke1962]

I voted for Brexit and hoped for a hard Brexit.

I was wrong.

It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it. It's clear now we can't. It is also clear there is no political appetite to prevent mass immigration into the UK, even though it is an environmental nightmare.

I now think we have to aim for some sort of soft Brexit whilst we remain in the single market. Things had moved too far, we will have to live with it. Reality bites.

I do not want to see any further political integration with the EU. I want to see the uk remain as independent as it possibly can.

Not without a mandate from the electorate surely RD ?

The electorate never gave a mandate to leave the Single Market or Customs Union!

Don't talk ridiculous man .

[BillyStubbsTears]

I voted for Brexit and hoped for a hard Brexit.

I was wrong.

It is clear now this Brexit cannot happen without causing untold damage in Northern Ireland. We were warned of this but I always thought we could fudge it. It's clear now we can't. It is also clear there is no political appetite to prevent mass immigration into the UK, even though it is an environmental nightmare.

I now think we have to aim for some sort of soft Brexit whilst we remain in the single market. Things had moved too far, we will have to live with it. Reality bites.

I do not want to see any further political integration with the EU. I want to see the uk remain as independent as it possibly can.

Not without a mandate from the electorate surely RD ?

The electorate never gave a mandate to leave the Single Market or Customs Union!

Don't talk ridiculous man .

There's only been one national vote in which the option of leaving the SM and CU was explicitly on the table. The 2019 General Election. Only 47% of votes were cast for parties explicitly standing on the policy that we leave the SM and CU.

The question was never put in 2016. Many on the Brexit side explicitly or implicitly campaigned on the principle that we could leave the EU and stay in the SM and CU. The decision to leave the SM and CU was made by Theresa May and her alone in early 2017, with no reference to what the electorate wanted. Every opinion poll at the time showed a large majority across all parties prepared to accept a soft Brexit which meant us staying in the SM and CU.

If you are going to lecture us about democracy, you'd do well to leave your personal prejudices at the door and engage with the established facts. It is a fact that there isn't, and has never been any evidence that a majority in this country want to leave the SM and CU. But that's what we have done.