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This is not likely to end well. Putin is being backed into a corner. We all know how his psyche will react to that The only other possibility is a coup. But that is both unlikely and equally bloody dangerous.BobG
I'm sure you are as well informed as I Belton.BobG
Quote from: BobG on March 08, 2022, 02:47:24 pmThis is not likely to end well. Putin is being backed into a corner. We all know how his psyche will react to that The only other possibility is a coup. But that is both unlikely and equally bloody dangerous.BobGBob, are you saying the only two possibilities are a coup or Putin dropping nuclear bombs?
Quote from: belton rover on March 08, 2022, 04:44:17 pmQuote from: BobG on March 08, 2022, 02:47:24 pmThis is not likely to end well. Putin is being backed into a corner. We all know how his psyche will react to that The only other possibility is a coup. But that is both unlikely and equally bloody dangerous.BobGBob, are you saying the only two possibilities are a coup or Putin dropping nuclear bombs?Have a look at the Kissinger article I attached which suggests another possibility
Yes Belton. When one looks into the future there are always, always an infinite number of possibilities. It goes with the territory. I can think of a dozen more right now. That's when personal judgement, knowledge and experience enters the discussion.CheersBobG
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 07, 2022, 11:57:28 pmQuote from: River Don on March 07, 2022, 11:40:09 pmPutin is threatening a little economic warfare of his own now.He's threatening to shut off Nordstream 1.I'm sorry to say, this will probably have a more immediate and impactful effect on Western Europe than anything our sanctions can do to Russia.I disagree RD.It'll badly damage us socially and economically. But we will come through. And the start of Spring is the least damaging time to do this.The sanctions on Russia will devastate the country over 3-6 months. They will experience a Great Depression on steroids. Evidence:The Russian currency has fallen from 13 US cents/Rouble just before the invasion to 0.75cents/Rouble today.That's the equivalent of the pound falling from the current $1.30/pound to 7cents/Pound.Basically, Russia cannot afford to import anything at all from the West. Flip side is that this is the reason Russian gas and oil has gone up massively in price in dollar terms. But that really only applies to oil and gas for us. For Russia, it applies to everything, they import. Clothes, cars, phones, insurance, computers, spare parts. All 20 times more expensive than they were a fortnight ago. 50 years worth of inflation in a fortnight. No modern economy can survive that.
Quote from: River Don on March 07, 2022, 11:40:09 pmPutin is threatening a little economic warfare of his own now.He's threatening to shut off Nordstream 1.I'm sorry to say, this will probably have a more immediate and impactful effect on Western Europe than anything our sanctions can do to Russia.I disagree RD.It'll badly damage us socially and economically. But we will come through. And the start of Spring is the least damaging time to do this.The sanctions on Russia will devastate the country over 3-6 months. They will experience a Great Depression on steroids.
Putin is threatening a little economic warfare of his own now.He's threatening to shut off Nordstream 1.I'm sorry to say, this will probably have a more immediate and impactful effect on Western Europe than anything our sanctions can do to Russia.
Well Zelensky channelled Churchill and Shakespeare but he's not going to get his no fly zone.And realistically I don't think we can even give him jet fighters because I don't think the Poles want to put their country in the direct firing line.I think the push should be to get more of those drones that the Turks seem very willing to supply.
Quote from: River Don on March 08, 2022, 05:29:27 pmWell Zelensky channelled Churchill and Shakespeare but he's not going to get his no fly zone.And realistically I don't think we can even give him jet fighters because I don't think the Poles want to put their country in the direct firing line.I think the push should be to get more of those drones that the Turks seem very willing to supply. You may wish to re-think that RD given the news just announced - Poland to give all its MIG-29's, free of charge, to Ukraine and encourages all other NATO/EU countries with MIG's to do the same. US to backfill as required (presumably with US pilots initally until Polish are trained up.
Quote from: wilts rover on March 08, 2022, 07:46:49 pmQuote from: River Don on March 08, 2022, 05:29:27 pmWell Zelensky channelled Churchill and Shakespeare but he's not going to get his no fly zone.And realistically I don't think we can even give him jet fighters because I don't think the Poles want to put their country in the direct firing line.I think the push should be to get more of those drones that the Turks seem very willing to supply. You may wish to re-think that RD given the news just announced - Poland to give all its MIG-29's, free of charge, to Ukraine and encourages all other NATO/EU countries with MIG's to do the same. US to backfill as required (presumably with US pilots initally until Polish are trained up.Yes, just seen this. I'm a bit surprised as the Poles were worried that Putin could see it as an act of war.It looks like the Americans will supply the Poles with replacement aircraft. The Poles already fly F16s as well as MIGs, perhaps their pilots are already sufficiently familiar with American planes.