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do you know for sure what day it is hound?
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 11, 2022, 10:00:18 pmdo you know for sure what day it is hound?Are comments like this really needed?
Quote from: BobG on March 12, 2022, 02:21:53 amIt might be worth reading my post about the Lusitania Syd. About 1340 from memory.The whole point of secret services is just that. They are secret. In the case of the Lusitania for a helluva lot of people that secret still stands today - more than 100 years later. Of course they're not going to publicise mire than is strategically useful. And in any evento, their role is principally yo sdvifse their poitical masters. What they do with the Intel is the question we should ALL be asking... Ive Made it plain times many that our polítical leaders were appraised of the nature of Putin 10 years ago and more. .It is política that has les us tov where we are today. Not secret services.BobGI did read your comment and am fully across the role of the service. If you look at the comments above it looks as though some appear to want to claim insider knowledge rather than what is gleaned from the papers. My point is if the service were fully across all this information, why wasn't it passed onto the government? more likely they did know and did pass it on and are exposed yet again as lazy, greedy and incompetent and have to be dragged kicking and screaming into properly helping refugees and sanctioning their sponsors. As you say or imply all this should have been ready to go not death by a thousand cuts.As with my comment before same thread asking why these oligarchs are now being sanctioned, because nothing has changed in the past couple of weeks, they have been aiding and abetting a dictator and murderer.
It might be worth reading my post about the Lusitania Syd. About 1340 from memory.The whole point of secret services is just that. They are secret. In the case of the Lusitania for a helluva lot of people that secret still stands today - more than 100 years later. Of course they're not going to publicise mire than is strategically useful. And in any evento, their role is principally yo sdvifse their poitical masters. What they do with the Intel is the question we should ALL be asking... Ive Made it plain times many that our polítical leaders were appraised of the nature of Putin 10 years ago and more. .It is política that has les us tov where we are today. Not secret services.BobG
Quote from: BobG on March 12, 2022, 03:13:29 amMost of this page SydBobGPut simply, NR who knows all about the security services tells us we have men in putin's uppermost circles, therefore unless the security services exist for their own amusement must have passed all this forward to our government, therefore our government would know about all things russia from the invasion of Ukraine to dirty money and have sat on their hands and watched and waited for it to happen all the while doing nothing.
Most of this page SydBobG
Putin is now arresting (not sacking, arresting) leaders of the FSB for failed intel that led him to war.As some smart folk have said, he went into this war completely misunderstanding what would happen. Now he's venting his wrath on his secret services. I wonder what they are planning in return?
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on March 12, 2022, 07:07:11 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 11, 2022, 10:00:18 pmdo you know for sure what day it is hound?Are comments like this really needed?I understand what you mean DO but one has to look at the history, I would find it hard to believe you haven't noticed hounds personal feuds all over the forum and I have him blocked most of the time, occasionally I make the mistake of reading his comments.
The uk doubled the size of its battle group in Estonia a full 8 days before Russia crossed the Ukrainian border. Now, if you know how long it takes logistically and practically to get main battle tanks and all of their logistical support across Europe, this was weeks in the planning. And started way way before February.
I don't doubt at all that the 'services' knew what was coming RD but what the government knew would be much greater in orders of magnitude and for far longer, the question is why didn't they get dressed and start working on all the things they should have been doing over the past couple of weeks? Even if they didn't have to implement sanctions and allow for the flow of refugees they should have been ready. We have seen how putin works, a war of terror.
Quote from: normal rules on March 12, 2022, 11:15:33 amThe uk doubled the size of its battle group in Estonia a full 8 days before Russia crossed the Ukrainian border. Now, if you know how long it takes logistically and practically to get main battle tanks and all of their logistical support across Europe, this was weeks in the planning. And started way way before February.Precisely NR, which was what I had alluded to further up the thread.None of us mere mortals had a clue about what the intelligence people knew or indeed what had been passed on the government.
Quote from: drfchound on March 12, 2022, 11:18:49 amQuote from: normal rules on March 12, 2022, 11:15:33 amThe uk doubled the size of its battle group in Estonia a full 8 days before Russia crossed the Ukrainian border. Now, if you know how long it takes logistically and practically to get main battle tanks and all of their logistical support across Europe, this was weeks in the planning. And started way way before February.Precisely NR, which was what I had alluded to further up the thread.None of us mere mortals had a clue about what the intelligence people knew or indeed what had been passed on the government.To be fair Hound the intelligence regarding the invasion of Ukraine was pretty much spot on in the weeks leading up to it .I suspect nobody took it as serious as they probably should have done but none the less the intelligence was totally accurate .Which makes me wonder if we have agents or possibly double agents inside Putin's circle .I've absolutely no idea of course and i can only speculate but if there's one thing this country is good at it's having top draw secret services even if the politicians are too dumb to listen to them .......... Or conflicted as the case may be even ??Food for thought maybe .
There is a case to e made for the tory party itself to be sanctioned.
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 12, 2022, 07:24:36 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on March 12, 2022, 07:07:11 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 11, 2022, 10:00:18 pmdo you know for sure what day it is hound?Are comments like this really needed?I understand what you mean DO but one has to look at the history, I would find it hard to believe you haven't noticed hounds personal feuds all over the forum and I have him blocked most of the time, occasionally I make the mistake of reading his comments.Syd, we can have disagreements without them becoming feuds
''Johnson's government refused to release the report to the public before the general election in December 2019.[The Prime Minister approved its release on 13 December 2019, the day after the general election''https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Committee_Russia_report#:~:text=%22The%20Russia%20report%22%20is%20the,the%202014%20Scottish%20independence%20referendum.
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 12, 2022, 09:10:20 pm''Johnson's government refused to release the report to the public before the general election in December 2019.[The Prime Minister approved its release on 13 December 2019, the day after the general election''https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Committee_Russia_report#:~:text=%22The%20Russia%20report%22%20is%20the,the%202014%20Scottish%20independence%20referendum.Sydney I'm not going to even make a case for the fact the Tory Party is absolutely swimming in dirty Russian money .The Russian money was called out years ago by Jeremy Corbyn and nobody listened .My point is the left that I come from may not win elections but history tends to be on our side .Dependency on imports , Scargill told you so .We aren't electable but don't whinge to me .