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Quote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:05:31 amUkraine’s military destroys Russian ammunition depot in southern Ukraine. Operational Command “South” said it destroyed a Russian multiple rocket launcher, three armored personnel carriers, two heavy artillery, and six military vehicles. They also killed 93 Russian troops.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550627320188248066This takes the Ukraine Armed Forces estimates of Russian losses to date to include:39,240 troops1.708 tanks2.802 supply vehicles3,929 APV's864 artillery systems253 MLR'shttps://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550735629704740864I think the "losses" on both sides figures for personel includes injured.Notable that Ukraine tends to give generalised claims of numbers whereas Russia specifies the region and the TBG effected.How either can claim to know of numbers of personel effected except in a few specific incidences is beyond me.Whilst the Donbas situation slowly heads one direction, the sitiation in the south west is interesting with Ukraine talking up it's imminent assault there, and at the same time Russia appears to be gathering forces to attack towards Mykoaiv - something of a showdown.
Ukraine’s military destroys Russian ammunition depot in southern Ukraine. Operational Command “South” said it destroyed a Russian multiple rocket launcher, three armored personnel carriers, two heavy artillery, and six military vehicles. They also killed 93 Russian troops.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550627320188248066This takes the Ukraine Armed Forces estimates of Russian losses to date to include:39,240 troops1.708 tanks2.802 supply vehicles3,929 APV's864 artillery systems253 MLR'shttps://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550735629704740864
No one is interested in your Putin love in anymore
22nd July - Russia concludes historic humanitarian peace agreement to allow grain shipments to leave the port of Odessa to ease acute food shortage in third world countries.23rd Juy - Russia fires missile into Odessa porthttps://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1550817931059232769?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetFalse flag? NATO? 'Both sides'You get into bed with a liar that's all you get. Lied to.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:51:31 pm22nd July - Russia concludes historic humanitarian peace agreement to allow grain shipments to leave the port of Odessa to ease acute food shortage in third world countries.23rd Juy - Russia fires missile into Odessa porthttps://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1550817931059232769?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetFalse flag? NATO? 'Both sides'You get into bed with a liar that's all you get. Lied to.The Secretary General of the UN was almost in tears yesterday at the signing of this treaty. Said it was the most important agreement he'd ever facilitated. Because without it, 400 million people in the Middle East and North Africa were at risk of famine.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:05:31 amUkraine’s military destroys Russian ammunition depot in southern Ukraine. Operational Command “South” said it destroyed a Russian multiple rocket launcher, three armored personnel carriers, two heavy artillery, and six military vehicles. They also killed 93 Russian troops.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550627320188248066This takes the Ukraine Armed Forces estimates of Russian losses to date to include:39,240 troops1.708 tanks2.802 supply vehicles3,929 APV's864 artillery systems253 MLR'shttps://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550735629704740864Ukrainian losses? We don't seem to hear much about from western propaganda sources do we?
Quote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:51:31 pm22nd July - Russia concludes historic humanitarian peace agreement to allow grain shipments to leave the port of Odessa to ease acute food shortage in third world countries.23rd Juy - Russia fires missile into Odessa porthttps://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1550817931059232769?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetFalse flag? NATO? 'Both sides'You get into bed with a liar that's all you get. Lied to.If it hit grain silos that would be bad, but what was hit? What was the target? Or are you just equating port with grain silo like western media, because that's simple weak flakey propaganda.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 25, 2022, 08:57:29 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:05:31 amUkraine’s military destroys Russian ammunition depot in southern Ukraine. Operational Command “South” said it destroyed a Russian multiple rocket launcher, three armored personnel carriers, two heavy artillery, and six military vehicles. They also killed 93 Russian troops.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550627320188248066This takes the Ukraine Armed Forces estimates of Russian losses to date to include:39,240 troops1.708 tanks2.802 supply vehicles3,929 APV's864 artillery systems253 MLR'shttps://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550735629704740864Ukrainian losses? We don't seem to hear much about from western propaganda sources do we?Why would we and indeed why should we the west is supporting those that have been invaded not those that have invaded
Quote from: glosterred on July 25, 2022, 11:42:34 amQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 25, 2022, 08:57:29 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:05:31 amUkraine’s military destroys Russian ammunition depot in southern Ukraine. Operational Command “South” said it destroyed a Russian multiple rocket launcher, three armored personnel carriers, two heavy artillery, and six military vehicles. They also killed 93 Russian troops.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550627320188248066This takes the Ukraine Armed Forces estimates of Russian losses to date to include:39,240 troops1.708 tanks2.802 supply vehicles3,929 APV's864 artillery systems253 MLR'shttps://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550735629704740864Ukrainian losses? We don't seem to hear much about from western propaganda sources do we?Why would we and indeed why should we the west is supporting those that have been invaded not those that have invadedDon't you want to know?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 25, 2022, 02:46:17 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 25, 2022, 11:42:34 amQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 25, 2022, 08:57:29 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:05:31 amUkraine’s military destroys Russian ammunition depot in southern Ukraine. Operational Command “South” said it destroyed a Russian multiple rocket launcher, three armored personnel carriers, two heavy artillery, and six military vehicles. They also killed 93 Russian troops.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550627320188248066This takes the Ukraine Armed Forces estimates of Russian losses to date to include:39,240 troops1.708 tanks2.802 supply vehicles3,929 APV's864 artillery systems253 MLR'shttps://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1550735629704740864Ukrainian losses? We don't seem to hear much about from western propaganda sources do we?Why would we and indeed why should we the west is supporting those that have been invaded not those that have invadedDon't you want to know?Got to say I’m not overly interested in either side's losses as with each loss there is very likely someone’s death involved. But if I was to pick a side to whom I would be interested in seeing their losses, I’ve got to say that I would rather see the death or destruction of of an invader than I would of the invaded.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 24, 2022, 03:54:44 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:51:31 pm22nd July - Russia concludes historic humanitarian peace agreement to allow grain shipments to leave the port of Odessa to ease acute food shortage in third world countries.23rd Juy - Russia fires missile into Odessa porthttps://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1550817931059232769?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetFalse flag? NATO? 'Both sides'You get into bed with a liar that's all you get. Lied to.If it hit grain silos that would be bad, but what was hit? What was the target? Or are you just equating port with grain silo like western media, because that's simple weak flakey propaganda. No, I am equating lying with a liar. Putin said he would stop attacking Odessa - he attacked Odessa.Putin said the troop movements in Belorus were just planned training and not a build up to invade Ukraine. He invaded Ukraine.
Invader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigade
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 24, 2022, 03:54:44 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 23, 2022, 08:51:31 pm22nd July - Russia concludes historic humanitarian peace agreement to allow grain shipments to leave the port of Odessa to ease acute food shortage in third world countries.23rd Juy - Russia fires missile into Odessa porthttps://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1550817931059232769?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetFalse flag? NATO? 'Both sides'You get into bed with a liar that's all you get. Lied to.If it hit grain silos that would be bad, but what was hit? What was the target? Or are you just equating port with grain silo like western media, because that's simple weak flakey propaganda. Two questions:If you were a port worker working on the grain cargoes would you go to work if missiles (which might or might not be accurate) were flying anywhere around the port? Second if you were a cargo ship owner, captain or insurer would you allow a ship to enter a port with missiles flying aroundThe obvious answers are no, so a grain deal would seem to be scuppered regardless of whether grain was hit. No-one has trust or belief in the Russians over this deal.On the other hand interesting, if I read correctly, that Putin seems first to have denied it was Russian missiles but said he would launch an investigation, and now unusually the Russians have admitted it was them. Maybe a lower level commander made the decision which would be unusual. Doesn't change the effects though.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPiece
Quote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPiece
Invader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigade
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoid
Quote from: Filo on July 26, 2022, 03:33:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoidA sovereign country? It's debatable if it should even be considered as such.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoid
Quote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPiece
Invader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigade
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 04:06:07 pmQuote from: Filo on July 26, 2022, 03:33:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoidA sovereign country? It's debatable if it should even be considered as such. No it’s not debatable, it was a sovereign country in its own right, a country recognised by the UN. It was Russian (the invader) aggression against its neighbour, Ukraine (the invaded) that is the problem here. Sooner you and the rest of Putins mouth pieces realise and accept this the better for everyone, especially the sovereign country of Ukraine
Quote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 04:15:32 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 04:06:07 pmQuote from: Filo on July 26, 2022, 03:33:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoidA sovereign country? It's debatable if it should even be considered as such. No it’s not debatable, it was a sovereign country in its own right, a country recognised by the UN. It was Russian (the invader) aggression against its neighbour, Ukraine (the invaded) that is the problem here. Sooner you and the rest of Putins mouth pieces realise and accept this the better for everyone, especially the sovereign country of UkraineIt would have been 'better for everyone' if the west hadn't instigated the over throw of the legitimate government.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 04:06:07 pmQuote from: Filo on July 26, 2022, 03:33:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoidA sovereign country? It's debatable if it should even be considered as such. No it’s not debatable, it was a sovereign country in its own right, a country recognised by the UN. It was Russian (the invader) aggression against its neighbour, Ukraine (the invaded) that is the problem here. Sooner you and the rest of Putins mouth pieces realise and accept this the better for everyone, especially the sovereign country of Ukraine
Quote from: Filo on July 26, 2022, 03:33:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoidA sovereign country? It's debatable if it should even be considered as such.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 26, 2022, 02:40:04 pmQuote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.Ukraine as a sovereign country can choose whoever they want to join, not be bullied by another country, Russia are paranoid
Quote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 11:16:45 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPieceWhat were they supposed to do? Allow Ukraine to join NATO and have there forces sat on their doorstep? US/NATO/EU all share the responsibility for this. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 26, 2022, 08:22:01 amInvader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigadeInvader v invaded it is that simple, none of what is happening now would not be happening if Russia (the invader) hadn’t illegally invaded Ukraine (the invaded). Everything else is secondary to the fact that Russia (the invader) invaded.#BRRPutinsMouthPiece
Invader v invaded - if it were only so simple. I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I also made my thoughts clear on regime change from external interference. Whilst the US and its friends make that a regular part of their worldwide "policing" the shit usually hits the fan, the case of Ukraine being up there with the worst messes.#billyblinkersbrigade
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 24, 2022, 03:54:44 pmIf it hit grain silos that would be bad, but what was hit? What was the target? Or are you just equating port with grain silo like western media, because that's simple weak flakey propaganda. Two questions:If you were a port worker working on the grain cargoes would you go to work if missiles (which might or might not be accurate) were flying anywhere around the port? Second if you were a cargo ship owner, captain or insurer would you allow a ship to enter a port with missiles flying aroundThe obvious answers are no, so a grain deal would seem to be scuppered regardless of whether grain was hit. No-one has trust or belief in the Russians over this deal.On the other hand interesting, if I read correctly, that Putin seems first to have denied it was Russian missiles but said he would launch an investigation, and now unusually the Russians have admitted it was them. Maybe a lower level commander made the decision which would be unusual. Doesn't change the effects though.
If it hit grain silos that would be bad, but what was hit? What was the target? Or are you just equating port with grain silo like western media, because that's simple weak flakey propaganda.
Seems the Russians are trying to do the same now
That's easy to explain Dutch. He denied it was a Russian missile until videos of a Russian missile came out (and they have probably recovered bits now) to prove he was wrong. Then when that lie has been debunked - come out with another one. It's what liars do - Johnson has made a career out of it.
Quote from: glosterred on July 26, 2022, 04:52:20 pmSeems the Russians are trying to do the same nowSo the US etc instigating regime change was okay?