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Remind me how that "increased Russian armour" think world again.
The Ukrainian forces have this afternoon retaken the eastern city of Lyman .5000 Russians have done one to escape getting trapped in the city before it was totally surrounded .Going well isn't it for Russia ?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 03, 2022, 06:05:16 pmRemind me how that "increased Russian armour" think world again.I'll try and interpret that. There is a lot of armour being transported to Crimea, Belarus and other areas.
Remind me how that "increased Russian armour" think world again.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FukuyamaFrancis/status/1576814074750726144Might be something. Might be nothing.But world-renown historians tend not to shoot from the lip without some substance. I wonder if the imminent loss of Kherson is the critical piece removed in Putin's Jenga tower?
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 01, 2022, 08:55:17 pmThe Ukrainian forces have this afternoon retaken the eastern city of Lyman .5000 Russians have done one to escape getting trapped in the city before it was totally surrounded .Going well isn't it for Russia ? Somewhere more in the realm of 1 to 4k by most reasoned accounts. 6 to 20k Ukraines depending on chosen reports and how you count them. A general continued retreat till the modilised forces arrive on the field? We'll see.This war is far from over.
So far a lot of Zelensky's actions have appeared to succeed. The silence from the west about his desire to join NATO immediately is telling. He is pushing on top of pushing, and I suspect that is because he has been encouraged in that way by the US, Johnson in particular from the UK, and others. The desire from all those parties is to defeat Russia in Ukraine and strike a severe blow to weakening it. Hence encouraging Zelensky in his "Churchillian" leadership. I think he's over confident, and the appication to NATO shows that so very clearly.The silence form the west on this is probably due to finding a way to placate him, keep him feeling buffed up, whilst giving him a firm but gentle reality check even if in the guise of *temporarilly* kept out of the club.The problem with him pushing for this, apart from showing a lack of diplomacy, tact and understanding, is that Russia will now more likely aim for the whole of Ukraine. With increased manpower and armour, one option for Russia is to push more on multiple fronts - exactly what Ukraine has been doing in the same position of recent. This could include a very forceful assult in the west of Ukraine thus cutting off it's supply routes. It is likely it will involve a severe attack on infastructure especially energy supplies for this winter. But as ever we will see.As for the west facing down Russia, we're talking about politicians and generals who have plush nuke bunkers. The not so unlikely cost of that is not worth the realistic results of grabbing Ukraine.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 03, 2022, 05:58:11 pmSo far a lot of Zelensky's actions have appeared to succeed. The silence from the west about his desire to join NATO immediately is telling. He is pushing on top of pushing, and I suspect that is because he has been encouraged in that way by the US, Johnson in particular from the UK, and others. The desire from all those parties is to defeat Russia in Ukraine and strike a severe blow to weakening it. Hence encouraging Zelensky in his "Churchillian" leadership. I think he's over confident, and the appication to NATO shows that so very clearly.The silence form the west on this is probably due to finding a way to placate him, keep him feeling buffed up, whilst giving him a firm but gentle reality check even if in the guise of *temporarilly* kept out of the club.The problem with him pushing for this, apart from showing a lack of diplomacy, tact and understanding, is that Russia will now more likely aim for the whole of Ukraine. With increased manpower and armour, one option for Russia is to push more on multiple fronts - exactly what Ukraine has been doing in the same position of recent. This could include a very forceful assult in the west of Ukraine thus cutting off it's supply routes. It is likely it will involve a severe attack on infastructure especially energy supplies for this winter. But as ever we will see.As for the west facing down Russia, we're talking about politicians and generals who have plush nuke bunkers. The not so unlikely cost of that is not worth the realistic results of grabbing Ukraine.Official: NATO secretary-general receives Ukraine’s bid for membership. Ambassadors of NATO member states will discuss the application in Brussels, Ihor Zhovkva, a deputy head of the President's Office, said.https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1577347319611236355
So far a lot of Zelensky's actions have appeared to succeed. The silence from the west about his desire to join NATO immediately is telling. He is pushing on top of pushing, and I suspect that is because he has been encouraged in that way by the US, Johnson in particular from the UK, and others. The desire from all those parties is to defeat Russia in Ukraine and strike a severe blow to weakening it. Hence encouraging Zelensky in his "Churchillian" leadership. I think he's over confident, and the appication to NATO shows that so very clearly.The silence form the west on this is probably due to finding a way to placate him, keep him feeling buffed up, whilst giving him a firm but gentle reality check even if in the guise of *temporarilly* kept out of the club.The problem with him pushing for this, apart from showing a lack of diplomacy, tact and understanding, is that Russia will now more likely aim for the whole of Ukraine. With increased manpower and armour, one option for Russia is to push more on multiple fronts - exactly what Ukraine has been doing in the same position of recent. This could include a very forceful assult in the west of Ukraine thus cutting off it's supply routes. It is likely it will involve a severe attack on infastructure especially energy supplies for this winter. But as ever we will see.As for the west facing down Russia, we're talking about politicians and generals who have plush nuke bunkers. The not so unlikely cost of that is not worth the realistic results of grabbing Ukraine.
More propaganda? Hilarious. Well it would be if we weren't for the unnecessary loss of human life. "On Monday, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov attracted ridicule online after he admitted that Russia was still deciding which areas it had "annexed", suggesting that Moscow does not know where its self-declared borders are.Mr Peskov claimed the entirety of Luhansk and Donetsk regions were part of Russia, but said the Kremlin will "continue consultations with the population regarding the borders of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions".
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 03, 2022, 06:57:41 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on October 01, 2022, 08:55:17 pmThe Ukrainian forces have this afternoon retaken the eastern city of Lyman .5000 Russians have done one to escape getting trapped in the city before it was totally surrounded .Going well isn't it for Russia ? Somewhere more in the realm of 1 to 4k by most reasoned accounts. 6 to 20k Ukraines depending on chosen reports and how you count them. A general continued retreat till the modilised forces arrive on the field? We'll see.This war is far from over.This is not a retreat. We are just advancing in a different direction.Major-General O P Smith after reversing the advance of the US 1st Marine Division agains higher orders but escaping from a Chinese ambush at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir 1950.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 03, 2022, 08:59:53 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 03, 2022, 06:57:41 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on October 01, 2022, 08:55:17 pmThe Ukrainian forces have this afternoon retaken the eastern city of Lyman .5000 Russians have done one to escape getting trapped in the city before it was totally surrounded .Going well isn't it for Russia ? Somewhere more in the realm of 1 to 4k by most reasoned accounts. 6 to 20k Ukraines depending on chosen reports and how you count them. A general continued retreat till the modilised forces arrive on the field? We'll see.This war is far from over.This is not a retreat. We are just advancing in a different direction.Major-General O P Smith after reversing the advance of the US 1st Marine Division agains higher orders but escaping from a Chinese ambush at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir 1950.Many reasons why a retreat happens. How it plays out tactically in the immediate term, and strategically in the whole war.Scraping the barrel with that eg you use. Maybe you have a quote from Napoleon about retreats?
Forbes are reporting that 700,000 people have left Russia since the announcement of mobilisation. On top of 400,000 who had left since the start of the war, before mobilisation.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 04, 2022, 11:42:15 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 03, 2022, 08:59:53 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 03, 2022, 06:57:41 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on October 01, 2022, 08:55:17 pmThe Ukrainian forces have this afternoon retaken the eastern city of Lyman .5000 Russians have done one to escape getting trapped in the city before it was totally surrounded .Going well isn't it for Russia ? Somewhere more in the realm of 1 to 4k by most reasoned accounts. 6 to 20k Ukraines depending on chosen reports and how you count them. A general continued retreat till the modilised forces arrive on the field? We'll see.This war is far from over.This is not a retreat. We are just advancing in a different direction.Major-General O P Smith after reversing the advance of the US 1st Marine Division agains higher orders but escaping from a Chinese ambush at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir 1950.Many reasons why a retreat happens. How it plays out tactically in the immediate term, and strategically in the whole war.Scraping the barrel with that eg you use. Maybe you have a quote from Napoleon about retreats? How about Russian state TV then:'When we retreat it means we're going forward'https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1577551493770747907
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 05, 2022, 01:09:02 pmForbes are reporting that 700,000 people have left Russia since the announcement of mobilisation. On top of 400,000 who had left since the start of the war, before mobilisation. How many left Ukraine?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 05, 2022, 04:45:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 05, 2022, 01:09:02 pmForbes are reporting that 700,000 people have left Russia since the announcement of mobilisation. On top of 400,000 who had left since the start of the war, before mobilisation. How many left Ukraine? The millions who left Ukraine were mostly women and children leaving while bombs and missiles were hitting cities and Russia was taking territory. Most men stayed to fight. The 700K leaving Russia are mostly men of call-up age, and they are not fleeing a country where houses and infrastructure are being damaged by a foreign power. They simply don't want to fight. Not a useful comparison IMHO.