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Russians able to redeploy troops from Kherson area due to reduced risk of offensive, in the flooded area, to reinforce the other area where the counteroffensive has started.. Russia has the advantage being dug in and covered by artillery so air support is much needed to wipe those positions out.
It appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 12, 2023, 09:37:19 amIt appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost? First it was a 'diastarous offensive' now there are just 'small units'. No idea how much kit Ukraine has lost to these 'small units' that were quickly over-run. Certainly not enough to stop them gaining 100sqkm in 3 days. How many troops, vehicles, tanks, ammo + supply depots has Russia lost?
Russian troops mining factories in occupied Crimea.Clearly they think this is a bit more than a 'disastarous offensive' if they are planning to blow up the local infrastructure (including the a factory holding 200 tons of ammonia). The only reason to do that is because they believe they will loose this ground & dont want Ukraine to have them:https://twitter.com/DionisCenusa/status/1668226783265554433
Quote from: wilts rover on June 12, 2023, 05:43:09 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 12, 2023, 09:37:19 amIt appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost? First it was a 'diastarous offensive' now there are just 'small units'. No idea how much kit Ukraine has lost to these 'small units' that were quickly over-run. Certainly not enough to stop them gaining 100sqkm in 3 days. How many troops, vehicles, tanks, ammo + supply depots has Russia lost?Probs not a fraction of Ukraine's losses, unless you're counting the drones that killed the Leopards. So you haven't a clue then. And gained three small villages so far. Not nearly at the first line of defence anyway.
It has become a “MEAT GRINDER “ Russians have dug in which was always the Fait Accompli strategy, Ukraine should negotiate a Peace and the West use Sanctions as a negotiating tool!
Quote from: Sprotyrover on June 13, 2023, 11:05:02 pmIt has become a “MEAT GRINDER “ Russians have dug in which was always the Fait Accompli strategy, Ukraine should negotiate a Peace and the West use Sanctions as a negotiating tool!No way has Ukraine come so far & endured so much to even contemplate that scenario.I remember a piece from a Ukraine frontline commander sometime in April who said “This isn’t about Putin or Levensky, if they looked to broker a peace tomorrow we, we here on the frontline would ignore them & fight on because for ‘us’, this killing & dying is about retrieving & securing our land & borders for our children & their children”.These people will literally fight to the death to regain the land Russia invaded & occupied.How can you not feel humbled by such a cause.
The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.
Quote from: Colin C No.3 on June 14, 2023, 06:17:22 pmThe only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!
"shit arguments". Rather than moving to potty mouthisms you could point out the cost to the economy of the fuel crisis caused by the half baked sanctions, the cost of so many other aspects of this war to the economy and individuals, the cost of Boris Johnson going over to Kyiv to scupper the peace process.The cost has been massive, and that cost goes on and on. Its a militarist, establishment, killing people argument you put BST, you're siding with war and aggression not peace.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on June 14, 2023, 10:39:19 pmQuote from: Colin C No.3 on June 14, 2023, 06:17:22 pmThe only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!A tiny bit of context.The lost productivity growth we have had since the Austerity disaster tots up to about £2trn.If you want to support Russia, be a big boy, stand up and support Russia.Don't hide behind shit arguments like this.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on June 14, 2023, 10:39:19 pmQuote from: Colin C No.3 on June 14, 2023, 06:17:22 pmThe only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!Is that hospitals that weren't really going to be built or existing ones on the list for a makeover?
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on June 15, 2023, 05:49:47 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on June 14, 2023, 10:39:19 pmQuote from: Colin C No.3 on June 14, 2023, 06:17:22 pmThe only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!Is that hospitals that weren't really going to be built or existing ones on the list for a makeover?Ha my dear departed Farther in law counted everything in Pints of Beer, I am merely using Hospitals
Quote from: Sprotyrover on June 15, 2023, 06:01:15 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on June 15, 2023, 05:49:47 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on June 14, 2023, 10:39:19 pmQuote from: Colin C No.3 on June 14, 2023, 06:17:22 pmThe only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!Is that hospitals that weren't really going to be built or existing ones on the list for a makeover?Ha my dear departed Farther in law counted everything in Pints of Beer, I am merely using HospitalsOr around half an aircraft carrier (without aircraft) or half a Dreadnought submarine (2016 prices).
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 15, 2023, 09:12:10 am"shit arguments". Rather than moving to potty mouthisms you could point out the cost to the economy of the fuel crisis caused by the half baked sanctions, the cost of so many other aspects of this war to the economy and individuals, the cost of Boris Johnson going over to Kyiv to scupper the peace process.The cost has been massive, and that cost goes on and on. Its a militarist, establishment, killing people argument you put BST, you're siding with war and aggression not peace. Remind who the aggressor is, who invaded a sovereign Country?
"shit arguments". Rather than moving to potty mouthisms you could point out the cost to the economy of the fuel crisis caused by the half baked sanctions, the cost of so many other aspects of this war to the economy and individuals, the cost of Boris Johnson going over to Kyiv to scupper the peace process.The cost has been massive, and that cost goes on and on. Its a militarist, establishment, killing people argument you put BST, you're siding with war and aggression not peace.