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Quote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
Quote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
Quote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:43:19 pmI never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.Did you feel the same way about James Coppinger when he was still playing for us at 39/40...? I get where you are coming from, but Adam Clayton has only just turned 33 (younger than Tommy Rowe) and was playing in the Championship less than a year ago.... He will bring invaluable experience, cost us nothing and I doubt that he will be on a huge wage... Let's see how hungry he is..... if we can get him fit and playing to anywhere near his potential, we will have a good player on our hands - for no significant outlay.
I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
James Milner is still doing it in the Premier league at 36. 33's nowt.
Quote from: donnievic on January 25, 2022, 03:10:12 pmQuote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get backYou recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
Quote from: dickos1 on January 25, 2022, 12:28:24 pmUsually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this windowWhat is experience?? I think we needed maturity. You don’t have to be 33yo to have that. Let’s be honest, he’s not fully fit but Agard looks like he can’t run and I saw Clayton at Birmingham, he’s the same. They may end up being great players in L2 but this isn’t the way we need to be going. It’s not what intelligent operators do. Obviously depends on what he’s earning, if he’s on £500 a week then it may be a low cost gamble. Why not give him 6 months to see what he has left? I could make you 20 players that would walk to the Keepmoat for a contract in the summer that would be smarter options than Agard and Clayton.
Usually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this window
Quote from: nightporter on January 25, 2022, 01:03:21 pmJames Milner is still doing it in the Premier league at 36. 33's nowt. Milner v Clayton . Who would you choose ? Milner at 40 will still be playing imo !!
Quote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 03:27:55 pmQuote from: donnievic on January 25, 2022, 03:10:12 pmQuote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get backYou recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
McSheffrey confirmed we've got an extra year option on both Clayton and Younger.
It all depends whether he looks after himself as a player. We needed some experienced know how and we’ve got it. Not many would sign up for a six month contract, eighteen month is about right.
Quote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:47:24 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 25, 2022, 12:28:24 pmUsually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this windowWhat is experience?? I think we needed maturity. You don’t have to be 33yo to have that. Let’s be honest, he’s not fully fit but Agard looks like he can’t run and I saw Clayton at Birmingham, he’s the same. They may end up being great players in L2 but this isn’t the way we need to be going. It’s not what intelligent operators do. Obviously depends on what he’s earning, if he’s on £500 a week then it may be a low cost gamble. Why not give him 6 months to see what he has left? I could make you 20 players that would walk to the Keepmoat for a contract in the summer that would be smarter options than Agard and Clayton.There are players at Farley Celtic on £500 a week.I know this for certain.
Quote from: Sammy Chung was King on January 25, 2022, 04:31:29 pmIt all depends whether he looks after himself as a player. We needed some experienced know how and we’ve got it. Not many would sign up for a six month contract, eighteen month is about right.Agree. I am concerned about him being given an 18 month deal but like you say, who is going to come for a 6 month deal?
Quote from: dickos1 on January 25, 2022, 12:34:50 pmQuote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win. When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategicI never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
Quote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win. When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategic
Just the type of player we need. Experienced head to try and get us out this mess this season and if not then a top end league two player for next year. As we've seen from before experience counts in getting you promoted from league two (Jones, Painter, McCombe, Brown etc).
Quote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:43:19 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 25, 2022, 12:34:50 pmQuote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win. When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategicI never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.We've actually made 5 signings this January, 3 of them in their 20s.
Quote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:43:19 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 25, 2022, 12:34:50 pmQuote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win. When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategicI never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.Don’t worry it’s Dickos’ M.O. to put words in the mouth of others in order to cause an argument. He is either a WUM or lacks the capacity to process information properly.
Quote from: dickos1 on January 25, 2022, 12:34:50 pmQuote from: pib on January 25, 2022, 12:31:54 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 25, 2022, 12:25:22 pmWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win. When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategicI never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
I'm only concerned with the length of deal with this and Agard really. In theory they are both more than good enough for L2 but both have injury records to fit the rest of our squad and are getting on. Sometimes the drop in ability from ageing can be quite rapid. I can only think that the length of deal is the only way we're getting them to sign. If Agard and Clayton were on deals to end of the season with an option to extend if they did well i think we'd have played a blinder. As it is there are certainly risks with the signings.
Does he still have the beard?