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BillyStubbsTears

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DUP
« on May 13, 2022, 10:56:08 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Bunch of t**ts aren't they..

They supported Brexit on the assumption that it would weaken ties between NI and Ireland. They were warned that Brexit would jeopardise the GFA but they ignored that. Now they are bringing the entire devolved political system in NI into danger until they get their way.

Playing with fire on a huge scale.



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Glyn_Wigley

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Re: DUP
« Reply #1 on May 13, 2022, 11:12:15 am by Glyn_Wigley »
If only they were dealing with a Government that cared one jot for either Brexit or Northern Ireland.

BobG

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« Reply #2 on May 13, 2022, 11:23:55 am by BobG »
The DUP is simply following in the footsteps of that appalling man who founded them in the first place. Bigots. Bigots who cannot concieve of any possibility that they may have taken a wrong turn somewhere or misunderstood something sometime. Self righteous bloody bigots.

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« Reply #3 on May 13, 2022, 12:27:48 pm by Filo »
The DUP is simply following in the footsteps of that appalling man who founded them in the first place. Bigots. Bigots who cannot concieve of any possibility that they may have taken a wrong turn somewhere or misunderstood something sometime. Self righteous bloody bigots.

BobG

Bob, that appalling man worked alongside the Nationalists to form a functioning govt in Northern Ireland in the end

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« Reply #4 on May 13, 2022, 01:36:39 pm by albie »
At some point, the DUP are going to have to face up to the fact that the Tories have no interest in NI or the electoral prospects of the DUP.

They had leverage when their votes could shore up the government, but when that moment passed they went back into the shadows.

The world that the DUP live in is dying out, and with demographic change and the lifestyle choices of younger voters the days of the DUP are numbered.

Bristol Red Rover

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« Reply #5 on May 13, 2022, 03:22:55 pm by Bristol Red Rover »
The DUP is simply following in the footsteps of that appalling man who founded them in the first place. Bigots. Bigots who cannot concieve of any possibility that they may have taken a wrong turn somewhere or misunderstood something sometime. Self righteous bloody bigots.

BobG

Bob, that appalling man worked alongside the Nationalists to form a functioning govt in Northern Ireland in the end
He did, and most likely that was amidst being offered benefits and with a consideration of the DUP vote share. Worth putting into that view of his latter days how he was getting on, maybe mellowing, certainly seeing that as the only way forward, possibly thinking about his epitaph. The rising tide of the Catholic majority situation in Ulster is inevitable, as too is the rise of the non sectarian option in politics there, you could say the DUP are a bunch of desperate Cnuts?

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« Reply #6 on May 13, 2022, 04:16:21 pm by danumdon »
What this country needs more than anything is for none sectarian parties to come to the fore, The Alliance party have made some in roads in these local elections but it needs more. The sooner they can remove sectarian attitudes is the time this country will prosper and be able to move away from the bigoted views from extremists, both unionist and republicans.

Its 2022 not 1922.

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« Reply #7 on May 13, 2022, 10:22:02 pm by SydneyRover »
What this country needs more than anything is for none sectarian parties to come to the fore, The Alliance party have made some in roads in these local elections but it needs more. The sooner they can remove sectarian attitudes is the time this country will prosper and be able to move away from the bigoted views from extremists, both unionist and republicans.

Its 2022 not 1922.

Yes, as in this case the extreme populist right wing government produced a protocol to solve a problem of their own making that they knew from the off wouldn't work and wouldn't honour, but there you go

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: DUP
« Reply #8 on May 14, 2022, 01:43:46 pm by BillyStubbsTears »

bpoolrover

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Re: DUP
« Reply #9 on May 14, 2022, 05:26:09 pm by bpoolrover »
i think both parties in ireland are as bad as each other none are prepared to form a proper government and blame the other

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: DUP
« Reply #10 on May 14, 2022, 05:59:37 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Bpool.
What makes you think Sinn Fein aren't prepared to form a Govt?

bpoolrover

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« Reply #11 on May 14, 2022, 06:04:13 pm by bpoolrover »
Bpool.
What makes you think Sinn Fein aren't prepared to form a Govt?
they probably would now they have more seats

Glyn_Wigley

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« Reply #12 on May 14, 2022, 06:15:12 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
Bpool.
What makes you think Sinn Fein aren't prepared to form a Govt?
they probably would now they have more seats

They would have done before the election when they didn't have more seats.

bpoolrover

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« Reply #13 on May 14, 2022, 06:18:34 pm by bpoolrover »
Bpool.
What makes you think Sinn Fein aren't prepared to form a Govt?
they probably would now they have more seats

They would have done before the election when they didn't have more seats.
they haven't for a while thou have they?

Glyn_Wigley

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« Reply #14 on May 14, 2022, 07:13:05 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
Bpool.
What makes you think Sinn Fein aren't prepared to form a Govt?
they probably would now they have more seats

They would have done before the election when they didn't have more seats.
they haven't for a while thou have they?

They haven't what for a while though? Formed a government with a party that refuses to do so?

BobG

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« Reply #15 on May 15, 2022, 02:29:16 am by BobG »
Blackpool! That's just bonkers man. Are you trying to re-write history or somethimg???

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SydneyRover

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« Reply #16 on May 15, 2022, 05:05:55 am by SydneyRover »
An interesting read about Braverman, which gives any that want to deny reality an oppotunity to sue the author I guess.

''The attorney general’s office was worthy of respect. Suella the stooge disgraces it''

''Ireland was the scene of a Boris Johnson masterclass in deception. In the 2019 election, he fooled millions into believing his “oven-ready deal” would “Get Brexit Done!” and we need not worry about the warnings of John Major, Tony Blair and Theresa May of the threat to the Northern Ireland settlement. Johnson’s straight lie that his withdrawal agreement would not put a border in the Irish Sea – “over my dead body,” he cried and yet the border is there and Johnson still lives – fooled the supposedly hard-nosed Democratic Unionist party. Finally, he conned the European Union into believing he was a man of his word when he signed a treaty confirming Northern Ireland’s special status that he had no intention of honouring'' ...................

 ......... ''Last week, Braverman justified Johnson’s decision to ignore the majority of voters in Northern Ireland as he tried to regain the trust of the Democratic Unionist party politicians he had so spectacularly cheated by ripping up the international treaty he had so sincerely promised to honour. You did not need to be a lawyer to grasp the speciousness of her special pleading''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/14/attorney-generals-office-worthy-of-respect-suella-the-stooge-disgraces-it






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Re: DUP
« Reply #17 on May 15, 2022, 09:00:28 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
That's all well and good but shouldn't the legitimate concerns of the unionist elements in Northern Ireland be listened to whether we agree or not?

SydneyRover

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« Reply #18 on May 15, 2022, 09:27:41 am by SydneyRover »
Do you think what they are doing is fair? do you think the predicament johnson's duplicity was the correct way to deal with the situation?

An international agreement he knew wouldn't work, was predicted not to work, an agreement he was never intending to adhere to.

BigH

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« Reply #19 on May 15, 2022, 09:36:52 am by BigH »
That's all well and good but shouldn't the legitimate concerns of the unionist elements in Northern Ireland be listened to whether we agree or not?
Their concerns might be more legitimate if they hadn't voted for them!

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« Reply #20 on May 15, 2022, 09:49:32 am by wilts rover »
That's all well and good but shouldn't the legitimate concerns of the unionist elements in Northern Ireland be listened to whether we agree or not?
Their concerns might be more legitimate if they hadn't voted for them!

They would be even more legitimate if they were not still claiming salaries for a job they aren't - and have no intention of in the near future - doing.

I think they actually voted against the WA btw.

BigH

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« Reply #21 on May 15, 2022, 10:47:53 am by BigH »
Sorry, you're right Wilts, the DUP did vote against the WA at the end when they realised they'd been diddled by Johnson.

Until that point they'd been ardent supporters of Brexit and the Johnson government. How did they think it was going to turn out!

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #22 on May 15, 2022, 11:11:42 am by BillyStubbsTears »
That's all well and good but shouldn't the legitimate concerns of the unionist elements in Northern Ireland be listened to whether we agree or not?

They and everyone else were told in 2016 that the one and only way that Brexit and the GFA could exist together was if there was a trade border between GB and NI.

They still campaigned for and voted for Brexit. The (correct) warnings were called "Project Fear".

That tells me that either they were a) comfortable with the trade border, b) prepared to risk the collapse of the GFA or c) too thick to add 2 and 2 correctly.

Tell me how we are meant to accommodate their "legitimate concerns" now?
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BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #23 on May 15, 2022, 11:18:55 am by BillyStubbsTears »
It's really, really simple.

If Britain is outside the SM and CU, and Ireland is inside them, there has to be a trade border either between GB and NI or between NI and Ireland. The latter destroys the GFA.

Once...just once, I'd like a Brexit supporter to put their hand up and tell me how they propose cutting THAT Gordian Knot. The one they steadfastly refused to even admit existed for years. 
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SydneyRover

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« Reply #24 on May 15, 2022, 11:31:40 am by SydneyRover »
I think the Biden team would have spelt out the consequences of getting it wrong from here.

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« Reply #25 on May 15, 2022, 12:04:35 pm by tyke1962 »
It's really, really simple.

If Britain is outside the SM and CU, and Ireland is inside them, there has to be a trade border either between GB and NI or between NI and Ireland. The latter destroys the GFA.

Once...just once, I'd like a Brexit supporter to put their hand up and tell me how they propose cutting THAT Gordian Knot. The one they steadfastly refused to even admit existed for years.

A united Ireland Billy and something I've always supported .

A united Ireland remaining in the EU .


BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #26 on May 15, 2022, 12:08:52 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Then how do you propose dealing with the massive Unionist unrest that comes with that. If that's what you want, deal with the consequences.

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« Reply #27 on May 15, 2022, 12:22:28 pm by Ldr »
Then how do you propose dealing with the massive Unionist unrest that comes with that. If that's what you want, deal with the consequences.

NI as an Independent country for me

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #28 on May 15, 2022, 12:25:23 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Then how do do deal with the massive  unrest on BOTH sides of the sectarian divide?

Come on folks. Address this SERIOUSLY.

You who wanted Brexit have caused this problem that you were warned about and ignored. Now sort it out with some serious proposals, not this pie in the sky waffle.

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« Reply #29 on May 15, 2022, 12:30:21 pm by Ldr »
Then how do do deal with the massive  unrest on BOTH sides of the sectarian divide?

Come on folks. Address this SERIOUSLY.

You who wanted Brexit have caused this problem that you were warned about and ignored. Now sort it out with some serious proposals, not this pie in the sky waffle.

Would be their problem as an independent nation.

 

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