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Not Now Kato

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #60 on March 10, 2023, 10:45:56 am by Not Now Kato »
What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?

Good question.
 
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it?  Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
 
Which prompts another question.  Where would the club be then?

Administration?

Most likely.  Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
 
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
 
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.

I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.

I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).

A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together.  Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.

In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers.  Know anybody?  Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
 
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.

Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.

And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.

Kato, I assume that anyone who takes on the Rovers in the future would probably be also taking on Club Doncaster.
If that was you and you had £500m to your name would you think you could afford to add a couple of million pounds a year in addition to the self subsidising money that CD contributes to try to make the football more entertaining, draw back the fan base and try for promotion?
Given that you would already have your big houses and cars it would take a long time to spend £500m, and don’t forget that your pot would naturally grow every year as well.

First off, it is more than unlikely that I will ever have £500M - I don't gamble; so no lottery, no Euromillions etc and no rich relatives to leave me a legacy.  But, for the sake of discussion, if I did then I have far better things to spend it on than giving it away to a football club, especially one with so many fans berating the current board, (who have done so much for the club), and demanding more.  In fact, the first thing I'd do is leave Doncaster altogether - there's nothing to hold me here and I'd make quite a lot of people happy whilst retaining just enough to keep me comfortable. But as I say, it won't happen.
 
I'm becoming more and more disenchanted with football as a whole. When a player can be paid £10M a year for 5 years just to wear a particular make of boots while some Nurses, (and other people in jobs), are reliant on foodbanks then there's something drastically wrong with the way people are valued.
 
With respect to someone buying the club. Do you believe TB would just hand it over or would he have an asking price? Would the buyer have to replace the current business infrastructure? And do you seriously think that £2M a year in addition to our Club Doncaster/sustainability figures would be enough to guarantee promotion up to the Championship?  And further, sustain us there? Or would the fans demand more if it wasn't working?
 
There's an old saying. "The quickest way to become a millionaire is to be a billionaire and buy a football club".



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Chris Black come back

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #61 on March 10, 2023, 12:51:00 pm by Chris Black come back »
Terry (and Dick) have done the hard yards so they can’t be expected to put in any more. If you came into a huge lottery win though the best thing we could do was to plough in £10-£20million producing best Academy set up outside top 6 in EPL. That’s a lifeline for years and years to come if that starts working. £10-£20 million on squad would probably get us into Championship but we couldn’t sustain that long term.

danumdon

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #62 on March 10, 2023, 01:11:28 pm by danumdon »
Terry (and Dick) have done the hard yards so they can’t be expected to put in any more. If you came into a huge lottery win though the best thing we could do was to plough in £10-£20million producing best Academy set up outside top 6 in EPL. That’s a lifeline for years and years to come if that starts working. £10-£20 million on squad would probably get us into Championship but we couldn’t sustain that long term.

Agree on you main points, i think you would have to be very particular to who you would give the 10-20mil to spend, i'd wager you would not be thinking of giving it to the present setup?

les@donr

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #63 on March 10, 2023, 04:10:26 pm by les@donr »
Things will be interesting for us if there is 3 up 3 down between the National League  and L2 next season.

Chris Black come back

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #64 on March 10, 2023, 05:07:17 pm by Chris Black come back »
Extraordinary story just out in the Free Press saying we basically sold a group of 14 year old lads from the Academy to Man Utd and Leeds Utd for 'six figures'. I mean, it's an income stream, but quite something that pretty much none of our first team squad would trouble double figures let alone six figures, yet we've cashed in on a couple of 14 year olds.

Alan Southstand

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #65 on March 10, 2023, 05:51:39 pm by Alan Southstand »
Not a couple - four of them.

DonnyBazR0ver

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #66 on March 10, 2023, 06:21:21 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Extraordinary story just out in the Free Press saying we basically sold a group of 14 year old lads from the Academy to Man Utd and Leeds Utd for 'six figures'. I mean, it's an income stream, but quite something that pretty much none of our first team squad would trouble double figures let alone six figures, yet we've cashed in on a couple of 14 year olds.

You cannot be serious suggesting we have 'cashed in'! As if we've gone out of our way to dispense with them purely for the money.

It's not just DRFC who are having young talent hoovered up by the big club academies.

It's sickening how they operate and how the he'll can we compete when Man U etc come calling. It's almost child trafficking with the huge numbers of youth players from clubs  in the UK and beyond being lured by the pied pipers.

The report goes onto say "Data from the Premier League released last year shows how even in the best academies the vast majority of players won’t have a career in professional football"

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #67 on March 10, 2023, 06:49:19 pm by Chris Black come back »
If you can put the histrionics to the side for one moment, the point was that there is very big money to be made from ‘selling’ (hope that helps calm you) 14 year old kids, arguably more than we would get for many of our first team squad members.

sedwardsdrfc

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #68 on March 10, 2023, 07:06:32 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
Yes it’s mad that those 4 or 5 14 year olds are worth more than our whole 1st team squad.

I hope the money is invested wisely to get us back to L1. We’ll always struggle to keep talent when the big boys come but the higher level we are in the better chance we have of attracting then keeping them

drfchound

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #69 on March 10, 2023, 07:07:34 pm by drfchound »
What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?

Good question.
 
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it?  Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
 
Which prompts another question.  Where would the club be then?

Administration?

Most likely.  Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
 
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
 
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.

I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.

I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).

A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together.  Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.

In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers.  Know anybody?  Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
 
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.

Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.

And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.

Kato, I assume that anyone who takes on the Rovers in the future would probably be also taking on Club Doncaster.
If that was you and you had £500m to your name would you think you could afford to add a couple of million pounds a year in addition to the self subsidising money that CD contributes to try to make the football more entertaining, draw back the fan base and try for promotion?
Given that you would already have your big houses and cars it would take a long time to spend £500m, and don’t forget that your pot would naturally grow every year as well.

First off, it is more than unlikely that I will ever have £500M - I don't gamble; so no lottery, no Euromillions etc and no rich relatives to leave me a legacy.  But, for the sake of discussion, if I did then I have far better things to spend it on than giving it away to a football club, especially one with so many fans berating the current board, (who have done so much for the club), and demanding more.  In fact, the first thing I'd do is leave Doncaster altogether - there's nothing to hold me here and I'd make quite a lot of people happy whilst retaining just enough to keep me comfortable. But as I say, it won't happen.
 
I'm becoming more and more disenchanted with football as a whole. When a player can be paid £10M a year for 5 years just to wear a particular make of boots while some Nurses, (and other people in jobs), are reliant on foodbanks then there's something drastically wrong with the way people are valued.
 
With respect to someone buying the club. Do you believe TB would just hand it over or would he have an asking price? Would the buyer have to replace the current business infrastructure? And do you seriously think that £2M a year in addition to our Club Doncaster/sustainability figures would be enough to guarantee promotion up to the Championship?  And further, sustain us there? Or would the fans demand more if it wasn't working?
 
There's an old saying. "The quickest way to become a millionaire is to be a billionaire and buy a football club".

Right Kato, thanks for getting back to me, I thought you might have dodged a response.
Lots for me to answer and comment on then.
Your first point about never having £500m quid will apply to our readers but perhaps a few would like to own the club and not be averse to chucking £2m a year into the club, especially knowing that the money would be back in the bank before the next year came along.
Remember most of us are Yorkshiremen.
Perhaps most of us would also become philanthropists as well.
Point of order though, I didn’t suggest that £2m a year extra would get us to the Championship, I just said to help get promotion. I have said for years that it is increasingly difficult for clubs of our size to stay in the Championship should we ever get there.
I have said previously that Rovers should be a top half league one club given our set up and prospective fan base. When things are going well our attendances at up there with other top half league one clubs, excluding of course the “big” clubs who have slipped back temporarily.
As for TB, well I think he would have in mind a price for the Rovers and for it to be attractive enough to court an investor, it would have to include club Doncaster.
It is unlikely he would give it away.

DonnyBazR0ver

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #70 on March 10, 2023, 07:08:33 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
If you can put the histrionics to the side for one moment, the point was that there is very big money to be made from ‘selling’ (hope that helps calm you) 14 year old kids, arguably more than we would get for many of our first team squad members.

Not really. The whole thing is still sickening. I watched an u16 cup final fairly recently on TV, last year and I was gobsmacked how many lads from different countries were in both teams.

Are you still maintaining Rovers have engineered the moves for profit?

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #71 on March 10, 2023, 07:24:50 pm by Chris Black come back »
It’s half seven on a Friday night. Get yourself off to the pub. Life’s too short.

DonnyBazR0ver

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #72 on March 10, 2023, 07:35:20 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
It’s half seven on a Friday night. Get yourself off to the pub. Life’s too short.

Deffo agree on that one!

sedwardsdrfc

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #73 on March 10, 2023, 08:54:11 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
2m a year if you’ve got 500m is a interest rate of 0.4%. 2 million is a lot of money but you can see that if your that rich you can fund a club with that bit extra indefinitely and still increase your wealth. Even putting it in a building society would get you that amount many times over let alone the extra opportunities that amount of wealth gives to invest is better returns.

The owner would have to get enjoyment out of the club to do that. I’m not sure ours do anymore, or at least the ones left.


les@donr

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Re: We're a mid table League Two team
« Reply #74 on March 11, 2023, 05:17:34 pm by les@donr »
Back to mid-table then.

 

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