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Ldr.I know you sometimes have trouble with the finer points so let me explain.1) I don't call ANYONE racist unless they say racist things. I disagree profoundly with you on many things, but as far as I can recall, you've never given any hint of supporting racist ideas. And I have never called you racist.2) I believe that all of us have the responsibility to confront racist ideas whenever we come across them. Don't you?3) I don't say the Tory party is trying to appeal to racists in a flippant way. It's shit through so many of their policies. If you disagree with any of that, be grown up and argue each example I give on its merits. Rather than doing shit amateur psychoanalysis to convince yourself I'm wrong.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 12:32:59 pmLdr.I know you sometimes have trouble with the finer points so let me explain.1) I don't call ANYONE racist unless they say racist things. I disagree profoundly with you on many things, but as far as I can recall, you've never given any hint of supporting racist ideas. And I have never called you racist.2) I believe that all of us have the responsibility to confront racist ideas whenever we come across them. Don't you?3) I don't say the Tory party is trying to appeal to racists in a flippant way. It's shit through so many of their policies. If you disagree with any of that, be grown up and argue each example I give on its merits. Rather than doing shit amateur psychoanalysis to convince yourself I'm wrong.You Billy have got serious issues! Get some help!
Quote from: Sprotyrover on May 26, 2024, 12:42:35 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 12:32:59 pmLdr.I know you sometimes have trouble with the finer points so let me explain.1) I don't call ANYONE racist unless they say racist things. I disagree profoundly with you on many things, but as far as I can recall, you've never given any hint of supporting racist ideas. And I have never called you racist.2) I believe that all of us have the responsibility to confront racist ideas whenever we come across them. Don't you?3) I don't say the Tory party is trying to appeal to racists in a flippant way. It's shit through so many of their policies. If you disagree with any of that, be grown up and argue each example I give on its merits. Rather than doing shit amateur psychoanalysis to convince yourself I'm wrong.You Billy have got serious issues! Get some help!Phew!Now I DEFINITELY know I'm ok.
I'm picturing the discussions at Sunak's emergency reboot meeting yesterday.Sunak: We're f**ked. I've f**ked it up.Bright Young Adviser: Well, you HAVE been pretty shite, but there's 6 weeks left. Let's think.Sunak: Who votes for us?BYA: Racist pensioners and the rich.Sunak: Well we're giving the rich tax cuts. What do the racist pensioners want?BYA: Well they want someone to f**k over foreigners and other people's kids. We have to show we can do that, or they'll f**k off and vote for Farage.Sunak: Well we gave them Brexit and Rwanda (yeah, ok, I know we didn't, but we chucked them the red meat). So that's the foreigners dealt with.BYA: So. Other people's kids?Sunak: Ok. How do we show how much we hate them?BYA: Well. We f**ked their economic futures through Austerity. They can't afford houses. They haven't got pensions. Then we did Brexit to satisfy the old folk. That stops the young ones having the connections with Europe that they want. We took away a year of young folks' lives during COVID to save old people. And never once thanked them. And of course we've got that cracking policy of telling foreign students we don't want them subsidising our young people's university education. So that f**ks both groups.Sunak: So what have we got left?BYA: Ummm...Sunak: Oh f**k it. Let's put them in uniforms and have them clean up dog shite.
Both feted and gilded, Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak are two sides of the same rotten politics | Aditya Chakrabortty | The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/25/election-pm-change-politics-keir-starmer-rishi-sunakUnusually, the Guardian actually telling the truth about the choice on offer.Small differences, but large areas of common interest.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 11:16:15 amI'm picturing the discussions at Sunak's emergency reboot meeting yesterday.Sunak: We're f**ked. I've f**ked it up.Bright Young Adviser: Well, you HAVE been pretty shite, but there's 6 weeks left. Let's think.Sunak: Who votes for us?BYA: Racist pensioners and the rich.Sunak: Well we're giving the rich tax cuts. What do the racist pensioners want?BYA: Well they want someone to f**k over foreigners and other people's kids. We have to show we can do that, or they'll f**k off and vote for Farage.Sunak: Well we gave them Brexit and Rwanda (yeah, ok, I know we didn't, but we chucked them the red meat). So that's the foreigners dealt with.BYA: So. Other people's kids?Sunak: Ok. How do we show how much we hate them?BYA: Well. We f**ked their economic futures through Austerity. They can't afford houses. They haven't got pensions. Then we did Brexit to satisfy the old folk. That stops the young ones having the connections with Europe that they want. We took away a year of young folks' lives during COVID to save old people. And never once thanked them. And of course we've got that cracking policy of telling foreign students we don't want them subsidising our young people's university education. So that f**ks both groups.Sunak: So what have we got left?BYA: Ummm...Sunak: Oh f**k it. Let's put them in uniforms and have them clean up dog shite.And we have a clear leader in the 2024 ludicrous post of the year competition.
I'm picturing the discussions at Sunak's emergency reboot meeting yesterday.Sunak: We're f**ked. I've f**ked it up.Bright Young Adviser: Well, you HAVE been pretty shite, but there's 6 weeks left. Let's think.Sunak: Who votes for us?BYA: Racist pensioners and the rich.Sunak: Well we're giving the rich tax cuts. What do the racist pensioners want?BYA: Well they want someone to f**k over foreigners and other people's kids. We have to show we can do that, or they'll f**k off and vote for Farage.Sunak: Well we gave them Brexit and Rwanda (yeah, ok, I know we didn't, but we chucked them the red meat). So that's the foreigners dealt with.BYA: So. Other people's kids?Sunak: Ok. How do we show how much we hate them?BYA: Well. We f**ked their economic futures through Austerity. They can't afford houses. They haven't got pensions. Then we did Brexit to satisfy the old folk. That stops the young ones having the connections with Europe that they want. We took away a year of young folks' lives during COVID to save old people. And never once thanked them. And of course we've got that cracking policy of telling foreign students we don't want them subsidising our young people's university education. So that f**ks both groups.Sunak: So what have we got left?BYA: Ummm...Sunak: Oh f**k it. Let's put them in uniforms and have them clean up dog shite.
Quote from: albie on May 26, 2024, 02:20:53 pmBoth feted and gilded, Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak are two sides of the same rotten politics | Aditya Chakrabortty | The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/25/election-pm-change-politics-keir-starmer-rishi-sunakUnusually, the Guardian actually telling the truth about the choice on offer.Small differences, but large areas of common interest.Would you like to point out where the guardian hasn't told the truth Albie?
I'd be a lot more forgiving of Hound trolling me on this topic if he was able to explain which of the core points that I've made in that post (yes, yes, yes, obviously exaggerated for comic effects) are factually wrong. The Tories ARE now disproportionately supported by old people who self identify as disliking foreigners.The Tory party IS facing a major challenge to keep hold of those voters in the face of Reform doing the "we don't like foreigners" thing more effectively.The Tory party HAS regularly enacted policies which have disproportionately hit the young, while insulating the old.The idiotic National Service idea HAS been thought up on the hoof, in a panic at how badly the Tories have started, literally 2 days after a minister categorically said they were not going to bring back National Service.But a right winger there thinks it's ludicrous to point these facts out. Thank goodness I've got him on ignore.
"old people who self identify as disliking foreigners."
Whoa. I'd missed this earlier today.https://youtu.be/Vn_9lVvMkX4?si=xJDXLi_WV5wNESS5That's Farage massively raising the ante. That's the most overtly race-baiting stuff he's ever come out with. He is clearly angling to sweep up the far right voters if the Tory party does actually implode.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 05:10:41 pmI'd be a lot more forgiving of Hound trolling me on this topic if he was able to explain which of the core points that I've made in that post (yes, yes, yes, obviously exaggerated for comic effects) are factually wrong. The Tories ARE now disproportionately supported by old people who self identify as disliking foreigners.The Tory party IS facing a major challenge to keep hold of those voters in the face of Reform doing the "we don't like foreigners" thing more effectively.The Tory party HAS regularly enacted policies which have disproportionately hit the young, while insulating the old.The idiotic National Service idea HAS been thought up on the hoof, in a panic at how badly the Tories have started, literally 2 days after a minister categorically said they were not going to bring back National Service.But a right winger there thinks it's ludicrous to point these facts out. Thank goodness I've got him on ignore.Disliking of foreigners or disliking of mass immigration Billy ?Disliking of foreigners is a subtle attempt at pointing the finger towards racism .Disliking mass immigration is a political issue , even Starmer has said it needs to be reduced although he says many things of course .We see you Billy boy .
C'mon people who really feels that this is for real?Now speculation that Rich-ie could throw the towel in to be replaced by Cameroon, and really why when you are a multi millionaire would you want yo put yourself through 6 weeks of hell, when you could be lazing on a beach in California?
Quote from: tyke1962 on May 26, 2024, 06:43:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 05:10:41 pmI'd be a lot more forgiving of Hound trolling me on this topic if he was able to explain which of the core points that I've made in that post (yes, yes, yes, obviously exaggerated for comic effects) are factually wrong. The Tories ARE now disproportionately supported by old people who self identify as disliking foreigners.The Tory party IS facing a major challenge to keep hold of those voters in the face of Reform doing the "we don't like foreigners" thing more effectively.The Tory party HAS regularly enacted policies which have disproportionately hit the young, while insulating the old.The idiotic National Service idea HAS been thought up on the hoof, in a panic at how badly the Tories have started, literally 2 days after a minister categorically said they were not going to bring back National Service.But a right winger there thinks it's ludicrous to point these facts out. Thank goodness I've got him on ignore.Disliking of foreigners or disliking of mass immigration Billy ?Disliking of foreigners is a subtle attempt at pointing the finger towards racism .Disliking mass immigration is a political issue , even Starmer has said it needs to be reduced although he says many things of course .We see you Billy boy .Disliking of foreigners is racist.Just like a disliking of 6 fingered inbreds could be considered anti Barnsley.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 05:10:41 pmI'd be a lot more forgiving of Hound trolling me on this topic if he was able to explain which of the core points that I've made in that post (yes, yes, yes, obviously exaggerated for comic effects) are factually wrong. The Tories ARE now disproportionately supported by old people who self identify as disliking foreigners.The Tory party IS facing a major challenge to keep hold of those voters in the face of Reform doing the "we don't like foreigners" thing more effectively.The Tory party HAS regularly enacted policies which have disproportionately hit the young, while insulating the old.The idiotic National Service idea HAS been thought up on the hoof, in a panic at how badly the Tories have started, literally 2 days after a minister categorically said they were not going to bring back National Service.But a right winger there thinks it's ludicrous to point these facts out. Thank goodness I've got him on ignore.Disliking of foreigners or disliking of mass immigration Billy ?Disliking of foreigners is a subtle attempt at pointing the finger towards racism .Disliking mass immigration is a political issue , even Starmer has said it needs to be reduced although he says many things of course .We see you Billy boy .
I'd be a lot more forgiving of Hound trolling me on this topic if he was able to explain which of the core points that I've made in that post (yes, yes, yes, obviously exaggerated for comic effects) are factually wrong. The Tories ARE now disproportionately supported by old people who self identify as disliking foreigners.The Tory party IS facing a major challenge to keep hold of those voters in the face of Reform doing the "we don't like foreigners" thing more effectively.The Tory party HAS regularly enacted policies which have disproportionately hit the young, while insulating the old.The idiotic National Service idea HAS been thought up on the hoof, in a panic at how badly the Tories have started, literally 2 days after a minister categorically said they were not going to bring back National Service.But a right winger there thinks it's ludicrous to point these facts out. Thank goodness I've got him on ignore.
We have had that many extreme political issues in the last 10 years that it’s possible to work out peoples core values by knowing their opinion on the fore mentioned issues. There’s no place to hide for bigots these days.
Quote from: tyke1962 on May 26, 2024, 06:43:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 05:10:41 pmI'd be a lot more forgiving of Hound trolling me on this topic if he was able to explain which of the core points that I've made in that post (yes, yes, yes, obviously exaggerated for comic effects) are factually wrong. The Tories ARE now disproportionately supported by old people who self identify as disliking foreigners.The Tory party IS facing a major challenge to keep hold of those voters in the face of Reform doing the "we don't like foreigners" thing more effectively.The Tory party HAS regularly enacted policies which have disproportionately hit the young, while insulating the old.The idiotic National Service idea HAS been thought up on the hoof, in a panic at how badly the Tories have started, literally 2 days after a minister categorically said they were not going to bring back National Service.But a right winger there thinks it's ludicrous to point these facts out. Thank goodness I've got him on ignore.Disliking of foreigners or disliking of mass immigration Billy ?Disliking of foreigners is a subtle attempt at pointing the finger towards racism .Disliking mass immigration is a political issue , even Starmer has said it needs to be reduced although he says many things of course .We see you Billy boy .Disliking of foreigners is racist.Just like a disliking of 6 fingered inbreds could be considered anti Barnsley.
Quote from: drfchound on May 26, 2024, 02:22:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 26, 2024, 11:16:15 amI'm picturing the discussions at Sunak's emergency reboot meeting yesterday.Sunak: We're f**ked. I've f**ked it up.Bright Young Adviser: Well, you HAVE been pretty shite, but there's 6 weeks left. Let's think.Sunak: Who votes for us?BYA: Racist pensioners and the rich.Sunak: Well we're giving the rich tax cuts. What do the racist pensioners want?BYA: Well they want someone to f**k over foreigners and other people's kids. We have to show we can do that, or they'll f**k off and vote for Farage.Sunak: Well we gave them Brexit and Rwanda (yeah, ok, I know we didn't, but we chucked them the red meat). So that's the foreigners dealt with.BYA: So. Other people's kids?Sunak: Ok. How do we show how much we hate them?BYA: Well. We f**ked their economic futures through Austerity. They can't afford houses. They haven't got pensions. Then we did Brexit to satisfy the old folk. That stops the young ones having the connections with Europe that they want. We took away a year of young folks' lives during COVID to save old people. And never once thanked them. And of course we've got that cracking policy of telling foreign students we don't want them subsidising our young people's university education. So that f**ks both groups.Sunak: So what have we got left?BYA: Ummm...Sunak: Oh f**k it. Let's put them in uniforms and have them clean up dog shite.And we have a clear leader in the 2024 ludicrous post of the year competition.That’s good coming from you.
Is the victory of Southampton over Leeds an omen? Rishi "The Saint" Sunak on a roll?