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Quote from: SydneyRover on July 02, 2021, 11:44:49 amQuote from: albie on July 02, 2021, 10:08:45 amQuote from: Filo on July 02, 2021, 07:07:53 amGalloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the left Filo,What makes you think Galloway is a left candidate?Genuine question, because I think he is just an opportunist, as likely to be right wing if he reckons votes are to be had.Great result for Kim, really pleased for her.Achieved despite a very poor campaign from Labour head office.I'd be interested to know what you thought they did wrong .......... and right Albie.Sydney,There is a good summary from Andrew Fisher here;https://inews.co.uk/opinion/batley-and-spen-by-election-why-labour-won-kim-leadbeater-activists-matt-hancock-keir-starmer-1082853I agree with most of that.Contrary to BST claiming Galloway looks to attract the left, I know no-one on the left who support him.Many will agree with him on Palestine, but there is little else to appeal to the left, and a good deal to oppose.
Quote from: albie on July 02, 2021, 10:08:45 amQuote from: Filo on July 02, 2021, 07:07:53 amGalloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the left Filo,What makes you think Galloway is a left candidate?Genuine question, because I think he is just an opportunist, as likely to be right wing if he reckons votes are to be had.Great result for Kim, really pleased for her.Achieved despite a very poor campaign from Labour head office.I'd be interested to know what you thought they did wrong .......... and right Albie.
Quote from: Filo on July 02, 2021, 07:07:53 amGalloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the left Filo,What makes you think Galloway is a left candidate?Genuine question, because I think he is just an opportunist, as likely to be right wing if he reckons votes are to be had.Great result for Kim, really pleased for her.Achieved despite a very poor campaign from Labour head office.
Galloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the left
They didn't lose the seat in the sense that they didn't have the seat before, however, they did narrow the gap on Labour.
Quote from: tyke1962 on July 02, 2021, 10:54:57 amOne of the ways Starmer and the Labour Party could go about healing the divides is to roll out a big campaign and put some serious resources around recruiting for want of a better term real people to eventually become Labour MP's .A road map in to politics for everyone The single mother , the nhs nurse on the frontline , the tube driver , the small business person , the lad who wasted his education and found himself in a warehouse on a zhc .A real programme on a government by the people for the people campaign .Or would this campaign force the Labour Party to face some uncomfortable truths and put too many noses out of joint and a threat to a cosy existence ?I'd have thought momentum would have been full of them already tyke?
One of the ways Starmer and the Labour Party could go about healing the divides is to roll out a big campaign and put some serious resources around recruiting for want of a better term real people to eventually become Labour MP's .A road map in to politics for everyone The single mother , the nhs nurse on the frontline , the tube driver , the small business person , the lad who wasted his education and found himself in a warehouse on a zhc .A real programme on a government by the people for the people campaign .Or would this campaign force the Labour Party to face some uncomfortable truths and put too many noses out of joint and a threat to a cosy existence ?
I'm quite happy with that I think she will make a good mp, it's refreshing to see someone with so much enthusiasm and positivity, donnywolf, of course the tories will spin it what would you expect them to do? By the sound of it they have probably not put enough into it to win and simply hoped they would win by Galloway taking labour votes and under estimating the vote labour would get
I wonder if it is the first time in history that members of a political party argued amongst itself why their party won a by-election?
They didn't lose the by-election in the sense that you can't lose something that wasn't in your possession in the first place. However, the Tories did gain support while Labour lost support, although not enough for it to be a Tory gain. It would probably have been a Tory victory had it not been for the Hancock fiasco.It would have been much more laughable if the Tories had claimed victory like Corbyn did after losing a General Election a few years ago
Tautology is the only way to go when something has to be repeated that has been perfectly well explained in the first place.
It would probably have been a Tory victory had it not been for the Hancock fiasco.