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Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerableAnother vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short timeThe current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
Quote from: Donnywolf on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 pmWhich to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerableAnother vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short timeThe current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.I agree on the pr, another thing that should be outlawed is the undemocratic use of the whip system
Quote from: Filo on June 15, 2020, 03:10:57 pmQuote from: Donnywolf on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 pmWhich to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerableAnother vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short timeThe current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.I agree on the pr, another thing that should be outlawed is the undemocratic use of the whip system What's undemocratic about the whip? Surely by making MPs vote along party lines that means they'd better represent their voter's wishes?
Quote from: Donnywolf on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 pmWhich to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerableAnother vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short timeThe current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.Wolfie, mate, I’m not sure you can have a large minority.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 15, 2020, 07:20:07 pmQuote from: Filo on June 15, 2020, 03:10:57 pmQuote from: Donnywolf on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 pmWhich to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerableAnother vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short timeThe current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.I agree on the pr, another thing that should be outlawed is the undemocratic use of the whip system What's undemocratic about the whip? Surely by making MPs vote along party lines that means they'd better represent their voter's wishes?They are forced to vote the way their leader wants to vote rather than voting how they want to vote, as undemocratic as you can get
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
Quote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 11:41:31 amBut in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.
Two things about how the Govt has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this school meals decision. 1) The morality of it. They are ideologically against this with every nerve in their bodies.2) The optics. Is no one in Govt smart enough to think how this looks to the country?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2020, 01:54:22 pmTwo things about how the Govt has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this school meals decision. 1) The morality of it. They are ideologically against this with every nerve in their bodies.2) The optics. Is no one in Govt smart enough to think how this looks to the country?We're well past the point of them giving a toss about the optics to be fair. If they can just wave away the massive outcry and rage over Cummings, which they appear to have done successfully, then they can do it with anything.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2020, 11:56:08 amQuote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 11:41:31 amBut in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.You clearly didn’t read what I had written.I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.
Quote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 05:44:29 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2020, 11:56:08 amQuote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 11:41:31 amBut in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.You clearly didn’t read what I had written.I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.The 2% was purely for illustrative purposes to show the difference between a small minority and a large one, of course. Are you really struggling that much with the concept?And you're a fine one to complain about someone stirring the pot. Hypocrite.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2020, 06:54:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 05:44:29 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2020, 11:56:08 amQuote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 11:41:31 amBut in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.You clearly didn’t read what I had written.I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.The 2% was purely for illustrative purposes to show the difference between a small minority and a large one, of course. Are you really struggling that much with the concept?And you're a fine one to complain about someone stirring the pot. Hypocrite.You can’t see that the remain voters were in the minority in a two option vote. LoL.
Quote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 07:04:13 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2020, 06:54:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 05:44:29 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2020, 11:56:08 amQuote from: drfchound on June 16, 2020, 11:41:31 amBut in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.You clearly didn’t read what I had written.I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.The 2% was purely for illustrative purposes to show the difference between a small minority and a large one, of course. Are you really struggling that much with the concept?And you're a fine one to complain about someone stirring the pot. Hypocrite.You can’t see that the remain voters were in the minority in a two option vote. LoL.You can't understand the term 'illustrative purposes'. Lol.