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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: scawsby steve on November 09, 2023, 11:52:13 pm
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A Yougov poll tonight has 50% of the British people agreeing with Cruella that the pro-Palestine march should be banned, with 34% against, and 16% that don't know.
I personally found that unbelievable, that only a third of UK people disagree with such a controversial decision, and shows that the culture war is still up and running.
I still think that Labour will win next year, but I'm not sure about a landslide anymore.
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I think the significance of the day the Pro Palestinian march is getting held is the issue , I think if you take the day out of it possibly those figures wouldn't be as they are .
I don't exactly think it's the best decision to hold march on that day myself .
A peace march then fair enough with the flag of Israel visible along with the Palestinian , thousands marching for a ceasefire or an end to this conflict .
Unfortunately it's none of those things and to many it's a march promoting Hamas and terrorism on 11/11.
Looking at the previous march some of the banners etc have let's say questionable slogans on them .
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Based on say a vote of 2000 ish people, with a population of approx 67+ million.
Plus Yougov was founded by a Tory as well.
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
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Didn't you know hound? Polls are inaccurate unless they suit your point of view!
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Having an event to try and stop people getting killed in a war on the same day a lot of other people have events to remember people who got killed in wars? Disgusting!
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Gentlemen, you can't protest for peace today, this is Armistice Day!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDeA4H0O4UIGoxC__-85hCvvdCRvMcc2ra2g&usqp=CAU)
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Having an event to try and stop people getting killed in a war on the same day a lot of other people have events to remember people who got killed in wars? Disgusting!
Yes there will be people marching for that but there will be amongst them people marching for the annihilation of the state of Israel and spouting hate .
It's not an anti war march it's a pro Palestinian march with tentacles attached to it .
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Remembrance Day, The Lord Mayors Parade, Palestine march/gathering all the same day Whats not to go wrong!!
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I read somewhere that it is obvious even to a fool that having the protest on Remembrance Day is out and out provocation, looking for confrontation.
Obviously not!
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All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?
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All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?
The decent genuine protesters should be aware of the lunatic fringe and realise that a demonstration on Remembrance Day is probably not a wise idea.
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All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?
The decent genuine protesters should be aware of the lunatic fringe and realise that a demonstration on Remembrance Day is probably not a wise idea.
Yep, everyone should beware of this government
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All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?
The decent genuine protesters should be aware of the lunatic fringe and realise that a demonstration on Remembrance Day is probably not a wise idea.
Yep, everyone should beware of this government
Is that your Government you are referring to or or Government?
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or or government
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Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.
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British politics is now formed more than ever before by wealth. the underlying blue collar workforce this countries wealth was built on until the 1970s ish is now a small part of the countries wealth that has moved to services and banking etc.
The rise in the working class standard of living has stalled, but the historical wealth built up by that generation who moved on from council estates to private housing and was what the vast majority strived for of those generations can still be seen on the estates around the country, while the state supported work force and menial service jobs are now the largest employers and produce nothing that has added value. the NHS the biggest sink hole of the lot.
So you have a widening schism of an older generation with wealth but a ever widening cost of care because of living longer and higher pensions.
Meanwhile the immigration situation is costing an ever growing expense on both sets of the population and causing resentment, the older generation not wanting to fund it, the five million on benefits thinking why spend more on them,
Its a simplified version I know, but a tinder box ready to explode.
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Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.
I agree that the government and especially Braverman is exploiting the situation to create division which is the go to play for them historically.
However let's be in no doubt who it was that attacked Israel and which state selected them to carry it out .
I'm all for a peace protest , people living here on both sides of this divide linking arms tomorrow and calling for an end to this conflict.
If like myself you don't envisage that happening then what exactly is a Pro Palestinian march ?
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Worth five minutes of your time .
https://youtu.be/35eEljsSQfc?si=kS7mmiu3morlnhB1
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the immigration situation is costing an ever growing expense
All the sources I can find suggest that immigration has a net positive impact on the economy and the longer an immigrant stays in the country the greater that impact is.
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
I work for the National Centre for Social Research hound.
We do a number of different Study / Surveys most of which are for Government Departments.
The largest sample is around 35 to 40.000 interviews per year. This is on the Family Resources Survey on behalf of the Dept for Work & Pensions.
The National Travel Survey on behalf of the Dept of Transport has a sample of around 15 to 20.000 per year.
The smallest samples can be around 7 to 8.000 on other studies.
The addresses of the respondents taking part are selected at random therefore getting a balance of age groups, social and economic backgrounds etc.
A sample of 2.000 is guite small based on the total population, but it is how that sample is selected as the key to whether it is a balanced one.
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
I work for the National Centre for Social Research hound.
We do a number of different Study / Surveys most of which are for Government Departments.
The largest sample is around 35 to 40.000 interviews per year. This is on the Family Resources Survey on behalf of the Dept for Work & Pensions.
The National Travel Survey on behalf of the Dept of Transport has a sample of around 15 to 20.000 per year.
The smallest samples can be around 7 to 8.000 on other studies.
The addresses of the respondents taking part are selected at random therefore getting a balance of age groups, social and economic backgrounds etc.
A sample of 2.000 is guite small based on the total population, but it is how that sample is selected as the key to whether it is a balanced one.
I would suggest that the guess of a 2000 people poll by RTID91 further up the thread was exactly that, a guess.
Even a poll of 40,000 people out of a 67m population is a very small percentage.
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the immigration situation is costing an ever growing expense
All the sources I can find suggest that immigration has a net positive impact on the economy and the longer an immigrant stays in the country the greater that impact is.
It's well established that it does.
But Mike Graham ain't going to tell Selby that, is he?
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One of the most positive demos this country experienced was the poll tax one. As always, there were people on that demo who wanted confrontation with the state, and they got it. Appalling tactics on the day, and on the long build up, from the states thug squad ensured that happened. And so ended the evil Thatcher years, tho the ghost lives on, and worst, in the likes of Braverman.
The UK is supporting the extreme vience of Israel. Violence begets violence. Remembrance day has its deep sadness, but also its extreme bullshit. Many died for the sakes of squabbling elites, for elites that screwed up for selfish, very thick reasons. There's nothing sacred about it, not unless you're part of the culture of domineering elites. I have relatives that died in war, that were wrecked in war, and think the demo is wholly appropriate, at least in part it's a demo against state terrorism. Of course the media spin is against this, reflected in comments above.
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One of the most positive demos this country experienced was the poll tax one. As always, there were people on that demo who wanted confrontation with the state, and they got it. Appalling tactics on the day, and on the long build up, from the states thug squad ensured that happened. And so ended the evil Thatcher years, tho the ghost lives on, and worst, in the likes of Braverman.
The UK is supporting the extreme vience of Israel. Violence begets violence. Remembrance day has its deep sadness, but also its extreme bullshit. Many died for the sakes of squabbling elites, for elites that screwed up for selfish, very thick reasons. There's nothing sacred about it, not unless you're part of the culture of domineering elites. I have relatives that died in war, that were wrecked in war, and think the demo is wholly appropriate, at least in part it's a demo against state terrorism. Of course the media spin is against this, reflected in comments above.
If your going to pick a side in this current conflict then you clearly don't mind a diet of extremely thin gruel .
There is no path to the moral high ground waving a Palestinian flag in central London tomorrow or even the weekend after or indeed the one before so I'll take 11/11 right out of it for you .
There's very little to be gained by supporting the Israelis either in this conflict or many of the tactics that's gone on before .
What I will say is this and I accept the state of Israel was created by let's say dubious actions but it does have the right to exist .
However in my opinion this isn't about the land , what this continuous conflict is really about is the fact an alternative religion exists exactly where it does on the map , that's the issue .
An alternative religion within a prosperous state , a state with more freedoms , a state where you don't get thrown off a high rise building because you are gay for instance .
All of which of course flys in the face of certain surrounding country's , let's say that shall we .
Anyone thinking annihilating the Jews or even forcing them to flee Israel will some how become a good thing had probably better revisit what they wished for .
You really don't want to go there , you really don't .
For the record I'm for the two state solution , I'm also hoping I see my club have another PL season before I pass away .
The latter is probably more likely and that's bordering on fantasy .
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Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.
I agree that the government and especially Braverman is exploiting the situation to create division which is the go to play for them historically.
However let's be in no doubt who it was that attacked Israel and which state selected them to carry it out .
I'm all for a peace protest , people living here on both sides of this divide linking arms tomorrow and calling for an end to this conflict.
If like myself you don't envisage that happening then what exactly is a Pro Palestinian march ?
It's difficult to look at a single atrocity to define a conflict as complex as this war without looking at it's history and evolution, this war didn't start last month and it won't end until there is a peace agreement that satisfies all sides.
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Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.
I agree that the government and especially Braverman is exploiting the situation to create division which is the go to play for them historically.
However let's be in no doubt who it was that attacked Israel and which state selected them to carry it out .
I'm all for a peace protest , people living here on both sides of this divide linking arms tomorrow and calling for an end to this conflict.
If like myself you don't envisage that happening then what exactly is a Pro Palestinian march ?
It's difficult to look at a single atrocity to define a conflict as complex as this war without looking at it's history and evolution, this war didn't start last month and it won't end until there is a peace agreement that satisfies all sides.
Syd, what do you think would be a good proposal for a peace agreement that suits all sides.
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One of the most positive demos this country experienced was the poll tax one. As always, there were people on that demo who wanted confrontation with the state, and they got it. Appalling tactics on the day, and on the long build up, from the states thug squad ensured that happened. And so ended the evil Thatcher years, tho the ghost lives on, and worst, in the likes of Braverman.
The UK is supporting the extreme vience of Israel. Violence begets violence. Remembrance day has its deep sadness, but also its extreme bullshit. Many died for the sakes of squabbling elites, for elites that screwed up for selfish, very thick reasons. There's nothing sacred about it, not unless you're part of the culture of domineering elites. I have relatives that died in war, that were wrecked in war, and think the demo is wholly appropriate, at least in part it's a demo against state terrorism. Of course the media spin is against this, reflected in comments above.
That was a great example of people power(i remeber seeing a placrd with Leicester Sikhs against Poll Tax).,and a great day out until the plod started randomly attacking the protesters. Driving black mariahs into packed streets was so provocative,I nearly got hit by one. However that never got reported. The Daily Zieg Mail three another angle at it and suddenly it was radical travellers responsible for the violence.
Luckily it did help in the downfall of the wicked witch.
I hope it was her dying thought.
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Based on say a vote of 2000 ish people, with a population of approx 67+ million.
Plus Yougov was founded by a Tory as well.
So the Labour Party's lead over the Tories by around 20% is a load of b*ll*cks?
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At least the March goes no where near the US Embassy. That wouldn’t be a good idea.
Oh, hang on………….
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The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think
They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred
I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.
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The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think
They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred
I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.
" They fought and died for our freedoms including free speech " is absolutely true but it comes with responsibility too .
It comes with compliance with law and order too .
You can't say what the hell you want , you really can't .
You can't call for Jihad for instance , you can't promote acts of terrorism , it's illegal to do so .
Whether doing so actually leads to your arrest and acted upon by the police to obtain a conviction may be difficult for a variety of reasons , the march this afternoon would probably be especially difficult to start arresting marchers given the sheer numbers of protesters and the likelihood doing so could escalate matters further .
However speeches such as the one in the link are illegal under UK law .
I'd also suggest that anyone organising or attending a Pro Israeli march today or at any time currently through Dewsbury town centre for instance would potentially face problems and wouldn't be the greatest idea in the world , free speech or not .
https://x.com/hurryupharry/status/1715732342604505530?s=20
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It is because the government want a riot, they are the people standing around laying wreathes for them who sent them to be slaughtered essentially.
They want to use this as an excuse to cut out our ability to peacefully protest which is happening in the U.K.
The totalitarian and authoritarian country we are becoming.
Remembrance day is just PR and a showbiz event.
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Based on say a vote of 2000 ish people, with a population of approx 67+ million.
Plus Yougov was founded by a Tory as well.
So the Labour Party's lead over the Tories by around 20% is a load of b*ll*cks?
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I do believe the support for Labour is depleting, obviously with Keir Starmer and his key cabinet and who they get donations from. Private health companies hmmm.. and also with this Israel Palestine situation.
And people who vote Tories aren't necessarily going to vote for Labour which does present a problem for them. They'll most like either go Lib Dems, Reform (Tory lite), Green, Independents etc.
A lot of constituencies only have marginal majorities in the thousands they can soon be turned around.
I do still predict a Labour hung parliament though however. Which is really poor considering how shocking Tories are.
That said sign up to this and share https://tacticalvote.co.uk/ #stopthetories
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Billy, Nobody tells me anything especially Mike Graham, I watch a wide range of news casts TRT, Al Jazeera, and France 24 especially because I don't want to be clone of the BBC leftist propaganda you spout, there is another world out there you need to look at and get out of your life bubble.
I have a mind of my own, you want to try it sometime you might surprise yourself and have time for other people and not continually make assumptions of others you know nothing about.
I still hold hope out for you that you will eventually grow up, but it looks like a long hard road.
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Far right thugs scrapping among themselves and the police at the cenotaph right now. Very respectful!
Braverman whistled, the dogs heard it.
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Far right thugs scrapping among themselves and the police at the cenotaph right now. Very respectful!
Braverman whistled, the dogs heard it.
What a mess this country is
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It is because the government want a riot, they are the people standing around laying wreathes for them who sent them to be slaughtered essentially.
They want to use this as an excuse to cut out our ability to peacefully protest which is happening in the U.K.
The totalitarian and authoritarian country we are becoming.
Remembrance day is just PR and a showbiz event.
What do you think your life would look like without the sacrifice people have made for this country… the same?
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It is because the government want a riot, they are the people standing around laying wreathes for them who sent them to be slaughtered essentially.
They want to use this as an excuse to cut out our ability to peacefully protest which is happening in the U.K.
The totalitarian and authoritarian country we are becoming.
Remembrance day is just PR and a showbiz event.
What do you think your life would look like without the sacrifice people have made for this country… the same?
Never made any reference in regards to that, you're twisting what I've said.
All am saying is Wars are caused by the elite, just look at what is happening now
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It is because the government want a riot, they are the people standing around laying wreathes for them who sent them to be slaughtered essentially.
They want to use this as an excuse to cut out our ability to peacefully protest which is happening in the U.K.
The totalitarian and authoritarian country we are becoming.
Remembrance day is just PR and a showbiz event.
What do you think your life would look like without the sacrifice people have made for this country… the same?
I wouldn't go as far as rtid91 says but I sort of see his point. While there are still plenty of people who observe remembrance Day for the right reasons, I have noticed a definite change in my lifetime as ww1 and ww2 veterans have passed away.
It's turned into nationalist Christmas for some people. You only have to look at the scenes at the cenotaph today for evidence of that. You feel that if Wilfred Owen published his poetry today, a section of society would call him an unpatriotic virtue signalling leftie.
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It is because the government want a riot, they are the people standing around laying wreathes for them who sent them to be slaughtered essentially.
They want to use this as an excuse to cut out our ability to peacefully protest which is happening in the U.K.
The totalitarian and authoritarian country we are becoming.
Remembrance day is just PR and a showbiz event.
What do you think your life would look like without the sacrifice people have made for this country… the same?
I wouldn't go as far as rtid91 says but I sort of see his point. While there are still plenty of people who observe remembrance Day for the right reasons, I have noticed a definite change in my lifetime as ww1 and ww2 veterans have passed away.
It's turned into nationalist Christmas for some people. You only have to look at the scenes at the cenotaph today for evidence of that. You feel that if Wilfred Owen published his poetry today, a section of society would call him an unpatriotic virtue signalling leftie.
What I was trying to say is you see such as Tony Blair who led us into the war with Iraq.
What I was trying to put across was is they are trying to incite trouble so it gives the government even more of an excuse to stop peaceful protest.
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
It did get messy, but I assume you weren't assuming it would be by Braverman and her EDL fan boys? The Palestinian march has been largely peaceful from what I've seen.
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
It did get messy, but I assume you weren't assuming it would be by Braverman and her EDL fan boys? The Palestinian march has been largely peaceful from what I've seen.
I have just come in and haven’t seen any news or footage of what has gone on at the cenotaph today.
I will be very surprised though if I see Braverman in the pictures.
My guess that it would get messy was simply based on the fact that these marches were taking place and that there would be opposition to them by some group or another.
It was virtually guaranteed in my opinion.
Of course it could get worse tomorrow.
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Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
It did get messy, but I assume you weren't assuming it would be by Braverman and her EDL fan boys? The Palestinian march has been largely peaceful from what I've seen.
I have just come in and haven’t seen any news or footage of what has gone on at the cenotaph today.
I will be very surprised though if I see Braverman in the pictures.
My guess that it would get messy was simply based on the fact that these marches were taking place and that there would be opposition to them by some group or another.
It was virtually guaranteed in my opinion.
Of course it could get worse tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/JoshGafson1/status/1723301173388562891?t=KmJIs7qKSe23AugR2zDeTQ&s=19
There. Surely you didn't think I meant Braverman was there too? These scenes are due to her whipping people up into a frenzy and her right wing dog whistles this week.
BBC currently reporting 92 right wing bellends have been arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343
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Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!
Same with The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Express, Daily Star, GB News, Talk TV, Metro (didn't realise they are owned by the Daily Mail).
The whole lot of them just by us purchasing newspapers and watching their T.V programmes, reading their articles online makes them money.
Read something like Byline times, not run by oligarchs !
Boycott !
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The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think
They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred
I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.
" They fought and died for our freedoms including free speech " is absolutely true but it comes with responsibility too .
It comes with compliance with law and order too .
You can't say what the hell you want , you really can't .
You can't call for Jihad for instance , you can't promote acts of terrorism , it's illegal to do so .
Whether doing so actually leads to your arrest and acted upon by the police to obtain a conviction may be difficult for a variety of reasons , the march this afternoon would probably be especially difficult to start arresting marchers given the sheer numbers of protesters and the likelihood doing so could escalate matters further .
However speeches such as the one in the link are illegal under UK law .
I'd also suggest that anyone organising or attending a Pro Israeli march today or at any time currently through Dewsbury town centre for instance would potentially face problems and wouldn't be the greatest idea in the world , free speech or not .
https://x.com/hurryupharry/status/1715732342604505530?s=20
@hurryupharry is a good Twitter page and a few on here could do to look at it.
Far right and far left nut jobs today as is often the case with protest / counter-protest.
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
It did get messy, but I assume you weren't assuming it would be by Braverman and her EDL fan boys? The Palestinian march has been largely peaceful from what I've seen.
I have just come in and haven’t seen any news or footage of what has gone on at the cenotaph today.
I will be very surprised though if I see Braverman in the pictures.
My guess that it would get messy was simply based on the fact that these marches were taking place and that there would be opposition to them by some group or another.
It was virtually guaranteed in my opinion.
Of course it could get worse tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/JoshGafson1/status/1723301173388562891?t=KmJIs7qKSe23AugR2zDeTQ&s=19
There. Surely you didn't think I meant Braverman was there too? These scenes are due to her whipping people up into a frenzy and her right wing dog whistles this week.
BBC currently reporting 92 right wing bellends have been arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343
No, of course i didn't think you meant Braverman would be there in person (we really do need a tongue in cheek emoji on here).
As i said earlier, the fact that there even was a march today guarantees trouble from someone.
I agree that Braverman is a plonker as well.
The police should have enough good video evidence to get some of that mob arrested and fined for what they are doing.
Expect more tomorrow,
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The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think
They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred
I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.
" They fought and died for our freedoms including free speech " is absolutely true but it comes with responsibility too .
It comes with compliance with law and order too .
You can't say what the hell you want , you really can't .
You can't call for Jihad for instance , you can't promote acts of terrorism , it's illegal to do so .
Whether doing so actually leads to your arrest and acted upon by the police to obtain a conviction may be difficult for a variety of reasons , the march this afternoon would probably be especially difficult to start arresting marchers given the sheer numbers of protesters and the likelihood doing so could escalate matters further .
However speeches such as the one in the link are illegal under UK law .
I'd also suggest that anyone organising or attending a Pro Israeli march today or at any time currently through Dewsbury town centre for instance would potentially face problems and wouldn't be the greatest idea in the world , free speech or not .
https://x.com/hurryupharry/status/1715732342604505530?s=20
@hurryupharry is a good Twitter page and a few on here could do to look at it.
Far right and far left nut jobs today as is often the case with protest / counter-protest.
I would echo byline news, novara media, Peter Stefanovic, Julia Patterson (NHS), Trade Union Congress, Sonia Paulton on Youtube amongst others.
Not right-wing rag and lies to create division and hate.
Tell you what the MSM and Government aren't telling you.
Knowledge is power.
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They say the camera never lies .
https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1723370819840094301?s=20
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They say the camera never lies .
https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1723370819840094301?s=20
With all the modern technology Tyke i wouldn't believe that old adage any more.
However, i would believe that the picture you have posted from X is true and i'm not in the least bit surprised by it.
Confrontational and expected.
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They say the camera never lies .
https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1723370819840094301?s=20
With all the modern technology Tyke i wouldn't believe that old adage any more.
However, i would believe that the picture you have posted from X is true and i'm not in the least bit surprised by it.
Confrontational and expected.
The irony is that in the background to the photo there is a placard stating " the camera exposes the truth " .
Indeed .
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The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think
They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred
I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.
" They fought and died for our freedoms including free speech " is absolutely true but it comes with responsibility too .
It comes with compliance with law and order too .
You can't say what the hell you want , you really can't .
You can't call for Jihad for instance , you can't promote acts of terrorism , it's illegal to do so .
Whether doing so actually leads to your arrest and acted upon by the police to obtain a conviction may be difficult for a variety of reasons , the march this afternoon would probably be especially difficult to start arresting marchers given the sheer numbers of protesters and the likelihood doing so could escalate matters further .
However speeches such as the one in the link are illegal under UK law .
I'd also suggest that anyone organising or attending a Pro Israeli march today or at any time currently through Dewsbury town centre for instance would potentially face problems and wouldn't be the greatest idea in the world , free speech or not .
https://x.com/hurryupharry/status/1715732342604505530?s=20
@hurryupharry is a good Twitter page and a few on here could do to look at it.
Far right and far left nut jobs today as is often the case with protest / counter-protest.
I would echo byline news, novara media, Peter Stefanovic, Julia Patterson (NHS), Trade Union Congress, Sonia Paulton on Youtube amongst others.
Not right-wing rag and lies to create division and hate.
Tell you what the MSM and Government aren't telling you.
Knowledge is power.
You think following those sources gives you the full picture?
I don’t watch the news or read the Sun / Mail / Express.
I follow Aaron Bastani and Ash Sarkar from NM on X. I think it’s good to take different angles in.
After Oct 7th Hamas attacks, Rivkah Brown from Novara Media tweeted:
“Today should be a day of celebration for supporters of democracy and human rights worldwide, as Gazans break out of their open-air prison and Hamas fighters cross into their colonisers' territory. The struggle for freedom is rarely bloodless and we shouldn't apologise for it.”
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The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think
They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred
I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.
" They fought and died for our freedoms including free speech " is absolutely true but it comes with responsibility too .
It comes with compliance with law and order too .
You can't say what the hell you want , you really can't .
You can't call for Jihad for instance , you can't promote acts of terrorism , it's illegal to do so .
Whether doing so actually leads to your arrest and acted upon by the police to obtain a conviction may be difficult for a variety of reasons , the march this afternoon would probably be especially difficult to start arresting marchers given the sheer numbers of protesters and the likelihood doing so could escalate matters further .
However speeches such as the one in the link are illegal under UK law .
I'd also suggest that anyone organising or attending a Pro Israeli march today or at any time currently through Dewsbury town centre for instance would potentially face problems and wouldn't be the greatest idea in the world , free speech or not .
https://x.com/hurryupharry/status/1715732342604505530?s=20
@hurryupharry is a good Twitter page and a few on here could do to look at it.
Far right and far left nut jobs today as is often the case with protest / counter-protest.
I would echo byline news, novara media, Peter Stefanovic, Julia Patterson (NHS), Trade Union Congress, Sonia Paulton on Youtube amongst others.
Not right-wing rag and lies to create division and hate.
Tell you what the MSM and Government aren't telling you.
Knowledge is power.
You think following those sources gives you the full picture?
I don’t watch the news or read the Sun / Mail / Express.
I follow Aaron Bastani and Ash Sarkar from NM on X. I think it’s good to take different angles in.
After Oct 7th Hamas attacks, Rivkah Brown from Novara Media tweeted:
“Today should be a day of celebration for supporters of democracy and human rights worldwide, as Gazans break out of their open-air prison and Hamas fighters cross into their colonisers' territory. The struggle for freedom is rarely bloodless and we shouldn't apologise for it.”
The left's obsession with the pro Palestinian cause never fails to amaze me , normally decent , credible and intelligent people who make extremely good calls on many other topics end up becoming half wits on this subject .
I've seen Bastani on GB News as the lone lefty convince the other guests of the failing rail industry and the merits of nationalisation .
Then claim of democracy and the existence of human rights in an Islamic State whilst trumpeting mass murder by terrorists .
What part of the annihilation of the state of Israel don't they get ?
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Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.
It did get messy, but I assume you weren't assuming it would be by Braverman and her EDL fan boys? The Palestinian march has been largely peaceful from what I've seen.
I have just come in and haven’t seen any news or footage of what has gone on at the cenotaph today.
I will be very surprised though if I see Braverman in the pictures.
My guess that it would get messy was simply based on the fact that these marches were taking place and that there would be opposition to them by some group or another.
It was virtually guaranteed in my opinion.
Of course it could get worse tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/JoshGafson1/status/1723301173388562891?t=KmJIs7qKSe23AugR2zDeTQ&s=19
There. Surely you didn't think I meant Braverman was there too? These scenes are due to her whipping people up into a frenzy and her right wing dog whistles this week.
BBC currently reporting 92 right wing bellends have been arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343
And 150 bellends from the pro Palestine demo rounded up
https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-hamas-sky-news-latest-updates-12978800
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
And I guess you could identify who was who in the recording>
''kicking off English lads vs palistians''
Aren't they all British unless otherwise known?
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
Yes that's right .
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
Yes that's right .
maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
Yes that's right .
maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.
Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .
As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .
For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
Yes that's right .
maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.
Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .
As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .
For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .
Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
Yes that's right .
maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.
Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .
As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .
For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .
Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?
The footage showed two groups facing up to each other and sporadic fighting in Trafalgar Square , one of the groups had Palestinian flags .
It was posted to counter your view that the trouble was one sided yesterday with the police standing back and observing which clearly you are having trouble coming to terms with .
Why you are having trouble digesting it and getting a little hot under the collar I don't know .
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
Yes that's right .
maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.
Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .
As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .
For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .
Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?
The footage showed two groups facing up to each other and sporadic fighting in Trafalgar Square , one of the groups had Palestinian flags .
It was posted to counter your view that the trouble was one sided yesterday with the police standing back and observing which clearly you are having trouble coming to terms with .
Why you are having trouble digesting it and getting a little hot under the collar I don't know .
Not sure why without a dog you'd need to do that at all tyke, especially with a video that shows little if any violence at all.
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Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!
Are you going to cry because they didn't show what you wanted for your narrative? An angry white man
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If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead
Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Really ?
https://youtu.be/caccFu0bLnc?si=SVYZsrSwddL8BHgo
'I have no dog in this fight'
really?
Yes that's right .
maybe you should read your comments where you have prefaced them with that statement, not to mention that comment you were correctly called out for.
Perhaps you should remove yourself from the illusions you read about in newspapers you agree with and look at things you don't .
As Orwell wrote , " the job of a journalist is to give it's readers the facts they aren't going to like " .
For the record I watched Tommy Robinson's mob march to the cenotaph this morning , it was excruciating to witness , an embarrassment .
Then it's quite amusing that of the two you decided to post something titled ''Kicking off English lads vs palistians'' aye?
The footage showed two groups facing up to each other and sporadic fighting in Trafalgar Square , one of the groups had Palestinian flags .
It was posted to counter your view that the trouble was one sided yesterday with the police standing back and observing which clearly you are having trouble coming to terms with .
Why you are having trouble digesting it and getting a little hot under the collar I don't know .
To be fair you'll probably always get a minority on either side looking trouble, like some of the Palestinian wearing the hamas headbands I think it was.
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91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.
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The front page of The Mirror yesterday got it right I think
They fought and died for our freedom
Freedom of speech, thought and protest
To Suella Braverman… how dare you try to take that away?
To the marchers… remember who won you those freedoms
To Britain… we must resist all cynical efforts to whip up hatred
I would be wary if you gov polls. I remember one they did in covid time that said around 20% of people wanted nightclubs permanently closed forever.
" They fought and died for our freedoms including free speech " is absolutely true but it comes with responsibility too .
It comes with compliance with law and order too .
You can't say what the hell you want , you really can't .
You can't call for Jihad for instance , you can't promote acts of terrorism , it's illegal to do so .
Whether doing so actually leads to your arrest and acted upon by the police to obtain a conviction may be difficult for a variety of reasons , the march this afternoon would probably be especially difficult to start arresting marchers given the sheer numbers of protesters and the likelihood doing so could escalate matters further .
However speeches such as the one in the link are illegal under UK law .
I'd also suggest that anyone organising or attending a Pro Israeli march today or at any time currently through Dewsbury town centre for instance would potentially face problems and wouldn't be the greatest idea in the world , free speech or not .
https://x.com/hurryupharry/status/1715732342604505530?s=20
@hurryupharry is a good Twitter page and a few on here could do to look at it.
Far right and far left nut jobs today as is often the case with protest / counter-protest.
I would echo byline news, novara media, Peter Stefanovic, Julia Patterson (NHS), Trade Union Congress, Sonia Paulton on Youtube amongst others.
Not right-wing rag and lies to create division and hate.
Tell you what the MSM and Government aren't telling you.
Knowledge is power.
You think following those sources gives you the full picture?
I don’t watch the news or read the Sun / Mail / Express.
I follow Aaron Bastani and Ash Sarkar from NM on X. I think it’s good to take different angles in.
After Oct 7th Hamas attacks, Rivkah Brown from Novara Media tweeted:
“Today should be a day of celebration for supporters of democracy and human rights worldwide, as Gazans break out of their open-air prison and Hamas fighters cross into their colonisers' territory. The struggle for freedom is rarely bloodless and we shouldn't apologise for it.”
Of course it doesn't when you see such biased views on either side all I prefer to look at is a balanced neutral view on what is going on and is easy to believe 1 side especially when going on Twitter.
What confuses me all of these individuals making contributions against the Tories support Labour so much when clearly Labour are basically Tory 2.0 at the moment.
Not going to happen but it's a shame we can't do away with Tories and Labour all together. That said I still predict a hung parliament with Labour for the next GE so fingers crossed it won't give them as much of a possibility to flex their muscles how they want.
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91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.
It is so easy to get lost in this conflict though. Same with the Russia-Ukraine war and the biased views of both sides.
Labour do have a real problem on their hands with this though just hoping it doesn't play into the hands of the Tories.
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91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.
Why are you getting a little hot under the collar Sydney ?
There were two opposing groups not exactly covering themselves in glory in Trafalgar Square including the Met .
There's no bias there , it is what it is .
How simple do you want it .
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91, the video hasn't been authenticated by anyone apart from tyke as yet and worse still for his argument none of the rw papers have offered it up.
Why are you getting a little hot under the collar Sydney ?
There were two opposing groups not exactly covering themselves in glory in Trafalgar Square including the Met .
There's no bias there , it is what it is .
How simple do you want it .
I made a comment, you are trying your best to discredit my comment, as yet without proof.
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Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!
With similar sentiments echoed by the right wing rags today desperately trying to blame pro-Palestinians, minimum 300,000 marching, a couple of thousand of counter protesters but .........
''Nine officers were injured and 126 people arrested - the "vast majority" of whom were counter-protesters''
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-67394611
Oh, and after the march Gove exercising his right to be a total prat.
''London protests: Met condemns 'extreme violence' of far-right''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67390514
chrrr, chrrr, Gove wants to walk to the tube station, please advise if any protestors are still making their way home, over.
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If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead
Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is
What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?
Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?
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If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead
Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is
What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?
Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?
He'll think they're upstanding patriots who were just defending the realm.
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If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead
Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is
That was going really well until you compared protesting against a massacre with protesting against VAR.
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Apologies for dragging this back to the OP.
https://www.aol.co.uk/labour-course-landslide-election-victory-072427352.html
Keir Starmer's party is tipped to win even more seats than Tony Blair did in 1997.
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If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead
Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is
What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?
Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?
It is being called out and rightly so, yet on the other side of the fence the pro Palestinian mob who have undoubtedly been infiltrated by extremists will continue to not call it out
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For all those tooting on that this Saturday's march was free speech.... presumably then you'd have no issues with the EDL protesting in Rochdale about grooming gangs, then if some extremists in that group incite violence, call for a Christian holy war, its fine that they'd then do it AGAIN the next Saturday and the Saturday after? Free speech right? Freedom to protest right?....or would they be blocked by the police. An extremist scumbag is an extremist scumbag whether they go to a church or a mosque
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Evening Standard front page photo of Palestine March with a headline
Fights break out between police and groups trying to reach Cenotaph
Absolutely disgraceful, remind me who owns the ES!
Are you going to cry because they didn't show what you wanted for your narrative? An angry white man
Are you that thick to see the inference?
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.
You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.
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For all those tooting on that this Saturday's march was free speech.... presumably then you'd have no issues with the EDL protesting in Rochdale about grooming gangs, then if some extremists in that group incite violence, call for a Christian holy war, its fine that they'd then do it AGAIN the next Saturday and the Saturday after? Free speech right? Freedom to protest right?....or would they be blocked by the police. An extremist scumbag is an extremist scumbag whether they go to a church or a mosque
To be honest I'm all for hate speeches of that nature to be made in public , I'm all for public radicalisation going on .
I personally want to see who these people are and what they are saying .
At least if it's out in the open it can be challenged and the police or even secret services can act on that .
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If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead
Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is
What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?
Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?
It is being called out and rightly so, yet on the other side of the fence the pro Palestinian mob who have undoubtedly been infiltrated by extremists will continue to not call it out
Hamas terrorism has been called out and rightly so. Yet on the other side of the fence the far-right fascist thugs who attacked the police and tried to storm the cenotaph shouting racist slogans will have supporters who refuse to call it out but instead go 'whataboutery...'
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If you organise a march, let's choose anything, let's say pro donny rovers, anti VAR and on week one it's hijacked by hooligans you would probably take a step back. Week 2 it's hijacked by say EDL you'd take another step back. Anyone with any morals or who actually wants a peaceful protest would not organise week 3. They would definitely not then organise on the ONE and only day of the whole year that people in this country use to remember their war dead
Just take a day off from pretending that this Saturdays protest was anything other than extremism and the organisers wanting to inflame tensions. The vernim wearing their hammas headbands you undoubtedly know were not called out and told to stop by others in that march. Jihad it is
What do you think to Tommy Robinson & the far-right attempting to 'storm' the cenotaph whilst singing 'there's no black in the union jack' and 'you're not English' at the police officers they were attacking?
Whilst you are accussing others of 'not calling out' that is?
It is being called out and rightly so, yet on the other side of the fence the pro Palestinian mob who have undoubtedly been infiltrated by extremists will continue to not call it out
Hamas terrorism has been called out and rightly so. Yet on the other side of the fence the far-right fascist thugs who attacked the police and tried to storm the cenotaph shouting racist slogans will have supporters who refuse to call it out but instead go 'whataboutery...'
Wilts .
I watched a live stream with the far right group , the guy who was filming was never more than five yards away from Robinson .
The police had blocked off the street leading to the Cenotaph with barricades and were all spread out and stood in front of it .
The far right mob were all stood for around 15 minutes and it appeared the police weren't going to let them through and started to get agitated verbally but no violence .
Robinson was telling the group to calm down and was speaking with police officers calmly and wasn't aggressive .
After around 20 minutes the barricade was lifted and the group allowed to walk towards the Cenotaph .
The problem was the pavement was very crowded and barricaded so as not to allow anybody to walk on the road and the police were lined up against the barricades too , there was very little room and it looked really uncomfortable .
People to relieve the congestion jumped over the barricades and the police started forcing them back which led to confrontation .
When they arrived at the Cenotaph I didn't witness any trouble , the two minutes silence was observed and there was clapping and cheering for the armed forces who formed part of the service .
Once the wreaths were laid and the two minute silence observed I turned the stream off so I can't comment on anything else but that's what I saw up to that point .
I didn't here any collective racist chanting .
Now don't get me wrong some of the individual comments I heard by some of the group weren't exactly politically correct and there were plenty of extreme expletives to go with that but you wouldn't get arrested for the language or comments today either .
Are these the kind of people I'd want to attend Armistice Day with ?
Absolutely not , you only had to look at them to know what they were and the comments they made although there were ex servicemen amongst them wearing berets etc .
That's what I saw Wilts .
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Apologies for dragging this back to the OP.
https://www.aol.co.uk/labour-course-landslide-election-victory-072427352.html
Keir Starmer's party is tipped to win even more seats than Tony Blair did in 1997.
Being tipped and actually achieving it in over a years time? Is being predicted to do 1 thing and actually achieve it.
As much as I want the Tories consigned to history, I'm just still unsure over Labour and how they sabotaged their own campaign last time in regards to Jeremy Corbyn.
It is still unclear about KS intentions and what he is actually going to do, the pledges he made to be leader he has gone back on every single one.
Question marks over his-self and his proposed cabinet, their links to donation by private health care companies and what his plans are for the NHS. The impact of Brexit and how he is going to solve it.
And if they are to continue with the awful implementation of privitisation.
And does he appeal to young people? They very much preferred Jeremy Corbyn because of his policies and to scrap tuition fees. Which is why you have seen so many vacancies in the NHS.
A lot of things can happen between now and a general election, I'm afraid 1. They are taking a victory for granted and 2. They are only leading because of how bad the Tories are.
He seems to talk, but there isn't much detail on how he is going to change things for the better.
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.
You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.
Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.
You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.
Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?
No I don’t read the Sunday papers, but I have seen this
https://twitter.com/RonEng1ish/status/1723396228514300324
And I bet if it had been a Labour politician you would have been very vocal on this
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.
You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.
Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?
No I don’t read the Sunday papers, but I have seen this
https://twitter.com/RonEng1ish/status/1723396228514300324
And I bet if it had been a Labour politician you would have been very vocal on this
Absolute f**king bas**rds for chanting ''shame on you'' were there any arrests?
And further to that, Starmer has had protests against him in the past, if you'd like to show where I complained.
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All in all a well attended march and the only violence coming from the government proxies
Gove walks through Vic station, which is his right, but coincides with the end of a Palestinian demo in the area, which I guess gets the result he wanted.
You’re right it is his right to do so, but if the police do not take action against those involved in the intimidation of him then we are in great danger of having another Jo Cox happening. Because this will only embolden those who think this is okay. Without robust policing of incidents of this nature, irrespective of political leanings, it will never be safe for any politicians to safely walk down any street and will fundamentally change the nature of politics in this country for ever.
Have you proved any intimidation took place or is it just the Sunday papers again?
No I don’t read the Sunday papers, but I have seen this
https://twitter.com/RonEng1ish/status/1723396228514300324
And I bet if it had been a Labour politician you would have been very vocal on this
I saw footage on the news and it must have been very intimidating.
Irrespective of who the person being harassed is, it is very wrong and it only takes someone to go too far and a possible assault or worse is likely to happen.
Anyone who thinks this wouldn’t have been intimidating for Gove is living in cloud cukoo land.
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I very much doubt that Gove would have been there without some kind of security. It slmost chokes me to say it but I agree with Dottie Doris on this one
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Got to ask yourself who took the video
look at the title ''Michael Gove - More footage of Jihadis harassing MG in the build up to the Victoria station assault''
there were plenty of coppers with gove at the station surely there'd be arrests?
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Irrespective of whether Gove was there to provoke a reaction or was simply an unfortunate victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time he was the victim of being mobbed.
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Irrespective of whether Gove was there to provoke a reaction or was simply an unfortunate victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time he was the victim of being mobbed.
I'll get hound for you.
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Irrespective of whether Gove was there to provoke a reaction or was simply an unfortunate victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time he was the victim of being mobbed.
I'll get hound for you.
Sydney, why don't you stop boring the f**k out of everyone by saying nothing if you haven't got anything to say?
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Irrespective of whether Gove was there to provoke a reaction or was simply an unfortunate victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time he was the victim of being mobbed.
I'll get hound for you.
Sydney, why don't you stop boring the f**k out of everyone by saying nothing if you haven't got anything to say?
not being taken seriously, maybe I'll get tyke then? I can see it's not getting to you aye?
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and what the f**k's with the 'aye' all the time? Do you know what it means?
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and what the f**k's with the 'aye' all the time? Do you know what it means?
aye
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Irrespective of whether Gove was there to provoke a reaction or was simply an unfortunate victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time he was the victim of being mobbed.
I'll get hound for you.
Sydney, why don't you stop boring the f**k out of everyone by saying nothing if you haven't got anything to say?
not being taken seriously, maybe I'll get tyke then? I can see it's not getting to you aye?
Tell me what you are accusing me of I'll show you what you are guilty of .
Aye .
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Only that when confronted with reality you still stand your ground is all tyke
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Irrespective of whether Gove was there to provoke a reaction or was simply an unfortunate victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time he was the victim of being mobbed.
I'll get hound for you.
Sydney, why don't you stop boring the f**k out of everyone by saying nothing if you haven't got anything to say?
Because he is a troll, looking to wind people up.
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It's funny int' it? it's a riot aint it? except when it's done to you
growing old is mandatory growing up is optional
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
Nice title for the vid
''LONDON'S. IMPORTED SUPPORTERS OF HAMAS AND PALESTINE''
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
If one is worse than the other, why is it wrong to say so?
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I think everyone who has contributed to this thread needs to watch this half hour documentary on the Pro Palestinian march on Saturday .
https://youtu.be/zfG3FhRXZec?si=EXoApFYLKJa5JuKQ
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
If one is worse than the other, why is it wrong to say so?
if yes
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Kate Varnfield of the Labour Party come on down.
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I think everyone who has contributed to this thread needs to watch this half hour documentary on the Pro Palestinian march on Saturday .
https://youtu.be/zfG3FhRXZec?si=EXoApFYLKJa5JuKQ
Surprised you are posting stuff from a far-right propoganda organisation tyke.
But not surprised they haven't done the same for their 'protest' march.
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
If one is worse than the other, why is it wrong to say so?
if yes
Just because you don't know doesn't mean everybody else doesn't know either, and if you're determined to close your ears to those who do know through being first-hand witnesses, you'll never know.
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
If one is worse than the other, why is it wrong to say so?
if yes
Just because you don't know doesn't mean everybody else doesn't know either, and if you're determined to close your ears to those who do know through being first-hand witnesses, you'll never know.
i know many first-hand witnesses, as many of my friends and colleagues were working there that day, so you can presume what you like, were you there or have you just read the papers that suit you again?
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I think everyone who has contributed to this thread needs to watch this half hour documentary on the Pro Palestinian march on Saturday .
https://youtu.be/zfG3FhRXZec?si=EXoApFYLKJa5JuKQ
Surprised you are posting stuff from a far-right propoganda organisation tyke.
But not surprised they haven't done the same for their 'protest' march.
What did you think of the content ?
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
Yeah but a massively higher percentage of people from the EDL march got arrested than the percentage of the 300,000 people at the peace march. That's just the facts. The EDL march had more people arrested in general despite much lower numbers turning out.
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Sydney and Wilts, they are just asking real people on the march questions and letting them speak. He did say at the end “there were a lot of nice normal people out to show solidarity”.
But, there was a man there denying Oct 7th because “where were the death certificates?”
Another wanted to send the Jews to Germany if they had so much historical guilt.
The general theme was that the well-intentioned (some of them) people questioned did not separate Hamas from Palestine and that any violence from their side is justified because this is a typical oppressor / oppressed set up.
You shouldn’t dispel first hand evidence of something just because it comes from an organisation with different politics to you. And just because tyke posts something from unherd doesn’t mean he stands for everything they do. Nor does it me for having this discussion.
Perhaps this is more palatable for you. An interview in the Guardian.
“Momentum founder says leftwingers ‘in denial’ about pro-Palestinian slogans”
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/12/momentum-founder-jon-lansman-says-leftwingers-in-denial-about-pro-palestinian-slogans
He compares Hamas to the far-right and says the repeated “from the river to the sea” chants make him very uncomfortable. It would seem this is a commonplace chant on these marches. Yes it isn’t used by everyone but it also isn’t called out either. Nor are other extremist signs and slogans.
A woman walked unchallenged with a sign that spliced the Star of David with a swastika. Yet a man stands with a sign that says “Hamas = ISIS” and he is physically intimidated and accosted.
What would happen if someone carried a sign that said even “free Palestine from Hamas and Israel” I wonder?
Plenty other of examples were put out by the Met police (not a right wing rag) on Twitter and are easy to find.
Yes the far right who turned up were a bunch of thugs and losers whipped up in to a frenzy by Braverman. We all agree on that. One turns up towards the end of the clip. But we are talking about something else now.
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Couple of things nc, I challenged tyke on the content of his video and the title of it, at that time tyke couldn't produce anything to support his view that it was 'both sides the same' thingy.
The protest march attendance was, in numbers at the bare minimum 300-1, around 300000 to 1000.
The police stated that the vast majority arrested were far-right therefore if you do the numbers if all arrested were Palestinian supporters (say 150) then of those marching that is less than around 0.05%, but possibly around 10% of the far right nut jobs.
There were those in the main march that shouldn't have been there, I have not said otherwise.
Vox pops, to me should always be taken with a large dose of salts unless one can vouch for those doing the editing as we don't know who was selected or otherwise.
The main stream media do not get it correct 100% of the time, but of those that have strict journalistic standards they have to be more trustworthy than absolutely anyone in youtube.
I do not condone violence.
I do not condone racism.
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https://www.facebook.com/100004889056889/videos/747337187222587/?d=w there are plenty more videos of both marches causing trouble, wrong to say one is worse than the other
Yeah but a massively higher percentage of people from the EDL march got arrested than the percentage of the 300,000 people at the peace march. That's just the facts. The EDL march had more people arrested in general despite much lower numbers turning out.
they did yes alot were arrested to stop any trouble happening and hadnt actually committed a crime, saying that there were many of both sides looking for trouble as there always is in situations like this
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Is assault on a police officer no longer classed as a crime?
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Is assault on a police officer no longer classed as a crime?
is that to me?
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Yes
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Of course it is, why wouldnt it be? I have said the edl and other groups caused trouble, as did people in the other march
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Arrested to stop any crime being done and hadn't actually commited a crime
100+ arrests 90+police injured mmm
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Couple of things nc, I challenged tyke on the content of his video and the title of it, at that time tyke couldn't produce anything to support his view that it was 'both sides the same' thingy.
The protest march attendance was, in numbers at the bare minimum 300-1, around 300000 to 1000.
The police stated that the vast majority arrested were far-right therefore if you do the numbers if all arrested were Palestinian supporters (say 150) then of those marching that is less than around 0.05%, but possibly around 10% of the far right nut jobs.
There were those in the main march that shouldn't have been there, I have not said otherwise.
Vox pops, to me should always be taken with a large dose of salts unless one can vouch for those doing the editing as we don't know who was selected or otherwise.
The main stream media do not get it correct 100% of the time, but of those that have strict journalistic standards they have to be more trustworthy than absolutely anyone in youtube.
I do not condone violence.
I do not condone racism.
Apart from showing you the footage that showed two groups sporadically fighting in Trafalgar Square with one group waving a Palestinian flag .
I also stated that the Met simply looked on and didn't do anything which the footage showed .
That was it .
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Couple of things nc, I challenged tyke on the content of his video and the title of it, at that time tyke couldn't produce anything to support his view that it was 'both sides the same' thingy.
The protest march attendance was, in numbers at the bare minimum 300-1, around 300000 to 1000.
The police stated that the vast majority arrested were far-right therefore if you do the numbers if all arrested were Palestinian supporters (say 150) then of those marching that is less than around 0.05%, but possibly around 10% of the far right nut jobs.
There were those in the main march that shouldn't have been there, I have not said otherwise.
Vox pops, to me should always be taken with a large dose of salts unless one can vouch for those doing the editing as we don't know who was selected or otherwise.
The main stream media do not get it correct 100% of the time, but of those that have strict journalistic standards they have to be more trustworthy than absolutely anyone in youtube.
I do not condone violence.
I do not condone racism.
The last time I took "a large dose of salts", I ended up sitting on the crapper all day.
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If the Republic organisation in the UK had first revealed the Royal Family had some strong ties to Hitler and The Nazi Party would it be less true .
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Couple of things nc, I challenged tyke on the content of his video and the title of it, at that time tyke couldn't produce anything to support his view that it was 'both sides the same' thingy.
The protest march attendance was, in numbers at the bare minimum 300-1, around 300000 to 1000.
The police stated that the vast majority arrested were far-right therefore if you do the numbers if all arrested were Palestinian supporters (say 150) then of those marching that is less than around 0.05%, but possibly around 10% of the far right nut jobs.
There were those in the main march that shouldn't have been there, I have not said otherwise.
Vox pops, to me should always be taken with a large dose of salts unless one can vouch for those doing the editing as we don't know who was selected or otherwise.
The main stream media do not get it correct 100% of the time, but of those that have strict journalistic standards they have to be more trustworthy than absolutely anyone in youtube.
I do not condone violence.
I do not condone racism.
The last time I took "a large dose of salts", I ended up sitting on the crapper all day.
Then you would certainly understand the value of vox pops as far as serious polling is concerned Steve.
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Police posing with a kid dressed as a hammas terrorists
And last night terrorists sympathisers scaling monuments and attacking an elderly couple in a car and more importantly the police saying no law was broken. Batons out for the EDL though.
Does the new foreign sec just want to photocopy bravermans article in the Times
Hate to use the DM as it's a scum rag but naturally you won't find it in most other main stream media
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/12/scotland-yard-apologises-officers-child-pro-palestinian/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12756085/Pro-Palestine-protest-chaos-breaks-amid-vote-Parliament-Gaza.html
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And last night terrorists sympathisers scaling monuments and attacking an elderly couple in a car
So 'terrorist sympathisers scaling monuments' equates to one man waving a flag on one monument, and people walking past a car equates to the occupants of that car being 'attacked'.
You ought to be writing for the Daily Mail, not quoting them. It's almost like you haven't bothered watching the video in your link.
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The video showed there were actually two people on the monument and not all the people were walking past the car, some of them were talking to the occupants until they were moved on by the police.
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Talking??? Shit, pass round the rubber bullets!!
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But you said people were just walking past the car when clearly one or two stopped at the car and addressed the occupants.
Perhaps the police heard what they were saying and responded accordingly.
Where were the rubber bullets passed around in the video?
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I find climbing on monuments, irrespective of whether they are war memorials or not very disrespectful, but it ain’t illegal, it should be but it ain’t
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Although further research has highlighted this
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1085767/criminal-damage-memorials-circular.pdf
They may be able to be charged under this law
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But you said people were just walking past the car when clearly one or two stopped at the car and addressed the occupants.
Perhaps the police heard what they were saying and responded accordingly.
Where were the rubber bullets passed around in the video?
And last night terrorists sympathisers scaling monuments and attacking an elderly couple in a car
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For all we know they may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
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For all we know they may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
No, you're getting it wrong there. You mean for all YOU know. Don't assume everybody else is as deliberately and wilfully ignorant as yourself, as usual!
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For all we know they may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
No, you're getting it wrong there. You mean for all YOU know. Don't assume everybody else is as deliberately and wilfully ignorant as yourself, as usual!
Do you know that they weren’t being verbally attacked?
You are making assumptions yourself there.
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How about we all assume that the occupants of the car are verbally attacking the protesters? That makes just as much sense and we have exactly the same amount of evidence that it's happening the other way round.
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Couple of things nc, I challenged tyke on the content of his video and the title of it, at that time tyke couldn't produce anything to support his view that it was 'both sides the same' thingy.
The protest march attendance was, in numbers at the bare minimum 300-1, around 300000 to 1000.
The police stated that the vast majority arrested were far-right therefore if you do the numbers if all arrested were Palestinian supporters (say 150) then of those marching that is less than around 0.05%, but possibly around 10% of the far right nut jobs.
There were those in the main march that shouldn't have been there, I have not said otherwise.
Vox pops, to me should always be taken with a large dose of salts unless one can vouch for those doing the editing as we don't know who was selected or otherwise.
The main stream media do not get it correct 100% of the time, but of those that have strict journalistic standards they have to be more trustworthy than absolutely anyone in youtube.
I do not condone violence.
I do not condone racism.
Politics Joe did a similar style of video, which is quite good too. Asking real people what they thought of Suella Braverman.
https://youtu.be/MQInlHZBi4M?si=RQcEy-b8LdpecMRh
Would you take this with a pinch of salt too?
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A speaker at the Palestine Solidarity Campaign congregation last night referred to Gaza as the “largest concentration camp ever known in our modern day history”.
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A speaker at the Palestine Solidarity Campaign congregation last night referred to Gaza as the “largest concentration camp ever known in our modern day history”.
Looks every bit like a concentration camp
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1724096919943672100
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A speaker at the Palestine Solidarity Campaign congregation last night referred to Gaza as the “largest concentration camp ever known in our modern day history”.
Looks every bit like a concentration camp
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1724096919943672100
What a silly thing to base your assessment of Gaza on.
In 1970, Denaby and Harrogate were both in the West Riding.
If someone had made a film about the wealthier suburbs of Harrogate, does that mean that Denaby Backs didn't exist?
Most of the Gaza Strip, before this current war, was occupied by overcrowded slums. They had one of the poorest economies, highest population densities and shortest life expectancies in the whole of Eurasia. The fact that there might have been some wealthy people owning some beautiful spots doesn't change that.
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For all we know they may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
No, you're getting it wrong there. You mean for all YOU know. Don't assume everybody else is as deliberately and wilfully ignorant as yourself, as usual!
OK then For all YOU know they may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
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That vid of Gove is he walking on the road, in the match, not on the pavement? Seems more than likely he is looking for a reaction, one that he doesn't get.
"Shame on you" - too right.
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Couple of things nc, I challenged tyke on the content of his video and the title of it, at that time tyke couldn't produce anything to support his view that it was 'both sides the same' thingy.
The protest march attendance was, in numbers at the bare minimum 300-1, around 300000 to 1000.
The police stated that the vast majority arrested were far-right therefore if you do the numbers if all arrested were Palestinian supporters (say 150) then of those marching that is less than around 0.05%, but possibly around 10% of the far right nut jobs.
There were those in the main march that shouldn't have been there, I have not said otherwise.
Vox pops, to me should always be taken with a large dose of salts unless one can vouch for those doing the editing as we don't know who was selected or otherwise.
The main stream media do not get it correct 100% of the time, but of those that have strict journalistic standards they have to be more trustworthy than absolutely anyone in youtube.
I do not condone violence.
I do not condone racism.
Politics Joe did a similar style of video, which is quite good too. Asking real people what they thought of Suella Braverman.
https://youtu.be/MQInlHZBi4M?si=RQcEy-b8LdpecMRh
Would you take this with a pinch of salt too?
vox pops, it still tells you nothing of the numbers of people across the country with the same thoughts nc, see them as a bit of political entertainment.
What about the rest of my comment?
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For all we know they may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
No, you're getting it wrong there. You mean for all YOU know. Don't assume everybody else is as deliberately and wilfully ignorant as yourself, as usual!
OK then For all YOU know they may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
If nobody can tell anything one way or the other, it's not very good evidence of any attack of any kind by anyone having taken place. Which is why I call bullshit on it. As a self-confessed bullshitter yourself I presume you'll appreciate why I call it as such.
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You said people were just walking by, but in reality, one or two people stopped to talk to the occupants. Do you now concede that that is the truth?
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Couple of things nc, I challenged tyke on the content of his video and the title of it, at that time tyke couldn't produce anything to support his view that it was 'both sides the same' thingy.
The protest march attendance was, in numbers at the bare minimum 300-1, around 300000 to 1000.
The police stated that the vast majority arrested were far-right therefore if you do the numbers if all arrested were Palestinian supporters (say 150) then of those marching that is less than around 0.05%, but possibly around 10% of the far right nut jobs.
There were those in the main march that shouldn't have been there, I have not said otherwise.
Vox pops, to me should always be taken with a large dose of salts unless one can vouch for those doing the editing as we don't know who was selected or otherwise.
The main stream media do not get it correct 100% of the time, but of those that have strict journalistic standards they have to be more trustworthy than absolutely anyone in youtube.
I do not condone violence.
I do not condone racism.
Politics Joe did a similar style of video, which is quite good too. Asking real people what they thought of Suella Braverman.
https://youtu.be/MQInlHZBi4M?si=RQcEy-b8LdpecMRh
Would you take this with a pinch of salt too?
vox pops, it still tells you nothing of the numbers of people across the country with the same thoughts nc, see them as a bit of political entertainment.
What about the rest of my comment?
That’s fair enough Sydney.
The rest of your comment wasn’t really relevant to my comment you replied to so I left it at that.
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I used the number to show the vast majority 99.95+ of pro-Palestinians marchers were well behaved
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You said people were just walking by, but in reality, one or two people stopped to talk to the occupants. Do you now concede that that is the truth?
I will if you'll concede that they - as you say - just stopped to talk and didn't attack them in any way.
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I never said they did anything other than stop to talk to them! What I did say is, for all we know, the people in the car may have been getting verbally attacked when the police approached.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235992/Shamed-student-caught-urinating-war-memorial-quits-university-disciplinary-hearing.html
Remember this? Out of his tree on spirits and caused outrage, these guys were sober and knew what they were doing!