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Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 31, 2019, 03:56:16 pmThis country is vastly overpopulated. FACTGetting rid of people who shouldn't be here should the first step in putting this right and returning this country into a green and pleasant land it once was, rather than the grey, concrete, scum ridden, shithole it has become thanks to the likes of Tony Blair teaching us all a lesson. And how many people are here that shouldn't be, (real numbers, not the exaggerations/lies of the Sun/Mail/Express )? Who determines who should be here and who shouldn't? Why have successive governments failed to implement the border controls they always had the right to implement under EU rules but chose not to? The problem isn't across the channel, it's right here, has been for years and years, and won't change when we leave the EU.
This country is vastly overpopulated. FACTGetting rid of people who shouldn't be here should the first step in putting this right and returning this country into a green and pleasant land it once was, rather than the grey, concrete, scum ridden, shithole it has become thanks to the likes of Tony Blair teaching us all a lesson.
BBIn the (probably vain) hope that you'll engage with the core of the argument, you can't look at EU immigration in isolation. Free movement of labour is one of the core pillars of the single market.The question (which was never really posed in 2016) is, does your wish to control movement of labour over-ride your wish to have the very great economic benefits of being a member of the richest single market in history?That's really what the whole thing comes down to.Is stopping more Poles and Slovaks coming to here worth sacrificing £1trn of economic activity over the next decade?[/quoteQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 31, 2019, 04:31:15 pmBBIn the (probably vain) hope that you'll engage with the core of the argument, you can't look at EU immigration in isolation. Free movement of labour is one of the core pillars of the single market.The question (which was never really posed in 2016) is, does your wish to control movement of labour over-ride your wish to have the very great economic benefits of being a member of the richest single market in history?That's really what the whole thing comes down to.Is stopping more Poles and Slovaks coming to here worth sacrificing £1trn of economic activity over the next decade?Nobody I know is against immigration. It is when it's not controlled that people question its worth. If a points system keeps out the freeloaders and criminals then everybody wins, don't they?
BBIn the (probably vain) hope that you'll engage with the core of the argument, you can't look at EU immigration in isolation. Free movement of labour is one of the core pillars of the single market.The question (which was never really posed in 2016) is, does your wish to control movement of labour over-ride your wish to have the very great economic benefits of being a member of the richest single market in history?That's really what the whole thing comes down to.Is stopping more Poles and Slovaks coming to here worth sacrificing £1trn of economic activity over the next decade?
Well played Elton John -Sir Elton John has declared he is “ashamed” of the UK in an on-stage tirade about Brexit.Before performing his hit “Believe” in Verona, Italy, Sir Elton launched into a rant about being “European” as opposed to a “colonial English idiot”.He was filmed saying on Wednesday: “I’m compassionate, and I really believe that we need more love and compassion in the world today. A lot more.“I am so sick to death of politicians, especially British politicians.“I am sick to death of Brexit. I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.
NNK. I don't recall you asking me three questions,
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 31, 2019, 02:18:50 pmNNK. What is racist about wanting a points-based system based on migrants from all over the world? Where have I mentioned racism BB? But if you want to talk about a points based system then a few questions.... Who sets the points? Who chooses the criteria for those points? Who ensures that the system is operated fairly? Oh, and you are aware that non-EU immigration is higher that EU immigration aren't you? Time to stop believing what you read in the Sun/Mail/Express or wherever you get your sound-bites from.
NNK. What is racist about wanting a points-based system based on migrants from all over the world?
but here goes.And how many people are here that shouldn't be, (real numbers, not the exaggerations/lies of the Sun/Mail/Express )? I suspect no one knows the exact figure, so I'm sure I don't! Who determines who should be here and who shouldn't?Probably nobody. Isn't it a free for all? Why have successive governments failed to implement the border controls they always had the right to implement under EU rules but chose not to? So the Mail and Express have a point then?Didn't Tony Blair open the doors for everyone during his premiership?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 31, 2019, 04:22:27 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 31, 2019, 03:56:16 pmThis country is vastly overpopulated. FACTGetting rid of people who shouldn't be here should the first step in putting this right and returning this country into a green and pleasant land it once was, rather than the grey, concrete, scum ridden, shithole it has become thanks to the likes of Tony Blair teaching us all a lesson. And how many people are here that shouldn't be, (real numbers, not the exaggerations/lies of the Sun/Mail/Express )? Who determines who should be here and who shouldn't? Why have successive governments failed to implement the border controls they always had the right to implement under EU rules but chose not to? The problem isn't across the channel, it's right here, has been for years and years, and won't change when we leave the EU. The problem could be solved by electing a proper nationalist government who are prepared to look after our own and tell the do gooders at home and abroad where to get off.
Who sets the points? Who chooses the criteria for those points? Who ensures that the system is operated fairly?The British Parliament of course! Oh, and you are aware that non-EU immigration is higher that EU immigration aren't you?Eu immigrants still get precedence. Time to stop believing what you read in the Sun/Mail/Express or wherever you get your sound-bites from.I only read them when people like you (who don't read them) put them in here.
BSTWhat is it that makes you and your mates on here want to rant in favour of losing causes?Oh, I get it; you in the minority are all brain boffins, and we in the majority are all thickheads.That explains it all; I must have gone to the wrong university.
SSIs that it? You see the contempt that Farage holds you in and you lash out at ME for pointing it out?No. It's not ME thinking you are thick. It's the people you are voting for who think that. Evidently. They despise you.I'm "ranting" about this because I love this country and it horrifies me that people like Farage and Banks (who have such contempt for the people of Doncaster that they serve up that sort of shit and expect you to believe it) might end up running this country.Tell me. Simple straight answer. Does that video not concern you at all?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 31, 2019, 03:56:16 pmThis country is vastly overpopulated. FACTGetting rid of people who shouldn't be here should the first step in putting this right and returning this country into a green and pleasant land it once was, rather than the grey, concrete, scum ridden, shithole it has become thanks to the likes of Tony Blair teaching us all a lesson.Is this the green and pleasant land you were thinking of returning us back to?He who turns to the left here from the main street, Long Millgate, is lost; he wanders from one court to another, turns countless corners, passes nothing but narrow, filthy nooks and alleys, until after a few minutes he has lost all clue, and knows not whither to turn. Everywhere half or wholly ruined buildings, some of them actually uninhabited, which means a great deal here; rarely a wooden or stone floor to be seen in the houses, almost uniformly broken, ill-fitting windows and doors, and a state of filth! Everywhere heaps of debris, refuse, and offal; standing pools for gutters, and a stench which alone would make it impossible for a human being in any degree civilised to live in such a district.Frederick Engels - The Condition of the Working-Class in England in 1844
Quote from: scawsby steve on June 01, 2019, 01:46:30 amBSTWhat is it that makes you and your mates on here want to rant in favour of losing causes?Oh, I get it; you in the minority are all brain boffins, and we in the majority are all thickheads.That explains it all; I must have gone to the wrong university. Remainers are not brain boffins. They are people who recognise the benefits of remaining in the EU and the consequences of us leaving it. We also recognise the lies and undeliverable promises of the leave campaigns. If leaving the EU is so good for the country then please tell us how we are going to be as well off as we are now let alone be better off when we leave. And tell us how the Irish border issue can be resolved to the satisfaction of both halves. It seems to me that many leavers have taken the fixed position of 'we voted leave so we must leave', no matter how much it will hurt them and the country!
Billy. Do European migrants get preference over non-Europeans regarding entry into the UK?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 01, 2019, 09:14:41 amQuote from: scawsby steve on June 01, 2019, 01:46:30 amBSTWhat is it that makes you and your mates on here want to rant in favour of losing causes?Oh, I get it; you in the minority are all brain boffins, and we in the majority are all thickheads.That explains it all; I must have gone to the wrong university. Remainers are not brain boffins. They are people who recognise the benefits of remaining in the EU and the consequences of us leaving it. We also recognise the lies and undeliverable promises of the leave campaigns. If leaving the EU is so good for the country then please tell us how we are going to be as well off as we are now let alone be better off when we leave. And tell us how the Irish border issue can be resolved to the satisfaction of both halves. It seems to me that many leavers have taken the fixed position of 'we voted leave so we must leave', no matter how much it will hurt them and the country!No-one knows if we will be better or worse off because it hasn't happened.The Irish border is not our problem. The EU are the ones who are making an issue of it.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 01, 2019, 08:56:08 amBilly. Do European migrants get preference over non-Europeans regarding entry into the UK? At the moment we are full members of the EU. As such there is freedom of movement between all EU countries, them's the rules. In terms of employment, it is down to the individual employer to determine who to employ and one would hope that employers will pick the best candidate irrespective of race, colour, sex etc. We, as a nation, benefit from that freedom of movement; both with relevantly skilled Europeans coming here to work and Britons going to EU countries to work or to retire to France, Spain, Italy etc - it's a two way street that benefits all parties, it's not them versus us FFS! Though the media would have the gullible think otherwise.