Coronavirus

[Filo]

Lockdown Sunday or Monday in my opinion

[Ldr]

Lockdown Sunday or Monday in my opinion

Only for the sheep

[Ldr]

Whether you agreed with him or not hopefully his absence is improving his mental health.

Couldn’t agree more BVB

[kirk]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

[kirk]

So the figures are stable for the forth day in a row, I was under the impression it doubled every two days?

"Wait two weeks"

No need to be that patient. Give it 24 hours and then see.

24 hrs have passed ?

[selby]

  The figures posted last night at 1800 hrs (Monday) were, 14 are known to have died from the Omicron variant, 129 were hospitalised that were attributed specifically to that variant,  all the deaths were  unvaccinated and over 95% hospitalised were also unvaccinated.
  I had reason to visit the Hospital at Goole today myself for a 12 40pm appointment for a scan today. The place is not a major hospital but was relatively deserted. The staff car parks were full, the patients car park very sparsely occupied, from entry I saw about ten people, nobody was in any of the three patient waiting rooms I passed through , nobody was in my waiting room and I was escorted for treatment within a minute and out of the door within twenty minutes job done mainly because I was told the previous five appointments had not shown up.
  Absolutely no way was the facility working to capacity or anywhere near it.

[Nudga]

The news from London isn't fantastic.

Right through the Autumn, the number of new COVID admissions to hospital per day was almost perfectly constant at around 100. Since the start of December, as Omicron has surged in London, the daily admissions have been on a constant rise and are now up to 250 per day.

In every previous wave, the daily deaths have tracked the daily hospital admissions from about a week earlier with great consistency. If Omicron is going to follow the same path, and if it spreads through the rest of the country the way it has psread through London, that would see daily deaths heading up towards 300 in January.

If there's one positive, it feels like people are once again ahead of the Govt and are taking their own precautions. I drove through West Street in Sheffield at 11pm last night. In Xmas week, it would normally be like Sodom and Gommorah. Last night there were only a few dozen people out.

It is winter now BST.

[BVB]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

Kirk - serious question: why should my taxes go to paying for the NHS treatment of a vaccine-denier who ends up in hospital with covid?

Cheers
BVB

[DonnyBazR0ver]

The news from London isn't fantastic.

Right through the Autumn, the number of new COVID admissions to hospital per day was almost perfectly constant at around 100. Since the start of December, as Omicron has surged in London, the daily admissions have been on a constant rise and are now up to 250 per day.

In every previous wave, the daily deaths have tracked the daily hospital admissions from about a week earlier with great consistency. If Omicron is going to follow the same path, and if it spreads through the rest of the country the way it has psread through London, that would see daily deaths heading up towards 300 in January.

If there's one positive, it feels like people are once again ahead of the Govt and are taking their own precautions. I drove through West Street in Sheffield at 11pm last night. In Xmas week, it would normally be like Sodom and Gommorah. Last night there were only a few dozen people out.

The news featured Lambeth as the highest infection rate in the country at the moment. It also has one of the lowest vaccination rates.

Interestingly, I just compared hospitalisations from this time last year.

Guys and St Thomas's hospital reported 78 in hospital on 12/12/20.
Latest figure shows 75 in hospital on 12/12/21.

Through December last year the hospitalisations in Lambeth rose dramatically to a peak of 452 on 18/01/21.

Will be interesting to see how things develop there where there is less protection with jabs, as there is in most of inner London.

[Nudga]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

Kirk - serious question: why should my taxes go to paying for the NHS treatment of a vaccine-denier who ends up in hospital with covid?

Cheers
BVB

It mainly goes to the fleecing pond life that seized an opportunity to steal taxes through track and trace and other dodgy contracts for ppe to pub landlords without tender.

[BVB]

  The figures posted last night at 1800 hrs (Monday) were, 14 are known to have died from the Omicron variant, 129 were hospitalised that were attributed specifically to that variant,  all the deaths were  unvaccinated and over 95% hospitalised were also unvaccinated.
  I had reason to visit the Hospital at Goole today myself for a 12 40pm appointment for a scan today. The place is not a major hospital but was relatively deserted. The staff car parks were full, the patients car park very sparsely occupied, from entry I saw about ten people, nobody was in any of the three patient waiting rooms I passed through , nobody was in my waiting room and I was escorted for treatment within a minute and out of the door within twenty minutes job done mainly because I was told the previous five appointments had not shown up.
  Absolutely no way was the facility working to capacity or anywhere near it.

Selby - is there an A&E at Goole.
BVB

[BVB]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

Kirk - serious question: why should my taxes go to paying for the NHS treatment of a vaccine-denier who ends up in hospital with covid?

Cheers
BVB

It mainly goes to the fleecing pond life that seized an opportunity to steal taxes through track and trace and other dodgy contracts for ppe to pub landlords without tender.

Totally agree with that Nudga, but doesn’t answer my question.

[kirk]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

Kirk - serious question: why should my taxes go to paying for the NHS treatment of a vaccine-denier who ends up in hospital with covid?

Cheers
BVB

Vaccine deniers??

You mean someone who chooses not to have the vaccine.

What about smoking, drinking. obesity the list is long

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

I've no idea who you are talking about, but I don't want to lockdown at every opportunity. I want to be able to run my business and pay my staff.

But I also understand the fact that nature throws shite at us, like it's doing at the moment, and that at times like that, we have to take decisions we'd prefer not to.
 

[River Don]

...if it did come from nature. There's still lots of pointers to the Wuhan lab and the fact the Chinese authorities won't allow further investigation isn't suspect at all.

[BVB]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

Kirk - serious question: why should my taxes go to paying for the NHS treatment of a vaccine-denier who ends up in hospital with covid?

Cheers
BVB

Vaccine deniers??

You mean someone who chooses not to have the vaccine.

What about smoking, drinking. obesity the list is long

Yep add those to the list if you want Kirk, but my q was specifically about people who refuse to have the vaccine (on any grounds apart from relevant medical ones) and then end up in hospital with covid.

Why should my taxes be used to treat those people.

[kirk]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

Kirk - serious question: why should my taxes go to paying for the NHS treatment of a vaccine-denier who ends up in hospital with covid?

Cheers
BVB

Vaccine deniers??

You mean someone who chooses not to have the vaccine.

What about smoking, drinking. obesity the list is long

Yep add those to the list if you want Kirk, but my q was specifically about people who refuse to have the vaccine (on any grounds apart from relevant medical ones) and then end up in hospital with covid.

Why should my taxes be used to treat those people.

It’s called having an opinion, that’s yours and mine ??

So you must be for compulsory vaccines then ?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

[BVB]

I wonder if there'll be any support for businesses like mine. We've closed four days early for Xmas because we've not had deliveries of key resources we needed to keep on operating, because the courier is short staffed due to COVID. That means I can't invoice for a major contract that we were due to finish before the Xmas break.

I don’t think you should, as a key worker why should my taxes go to someone who wants to lockdown at every opportunity.

Kirk - serious question: why should my taxes go to paying for the NHS treatment of a vaccine-denier who ends up in hospital with covid?

Cheers
BVB

Vaccine deniers??

You mean someone who chooses not to have the vaccine.

What about smoking, drinking. obesity the list is long

Yep add those to the list if you want Kirk, but my q was specifically about people who refuse to have the vaccine (on any grounds apart from relevant medical ones) and then end up in hospital with covid.

Why should my taxes be used to treat those people.

It’s called having an opinion, that’s yours and mine ??

So you must be for compulsory vaccines then ?

 
Nope Kirk - I’m for all rationale people to work for the common good.
Don’t personally want to have to have the vaccine, but if it helps reduce the impact of the virus I will - both for me, my loved ones, friends and anyone else I meet in the street.
I’ve already got enough organisations trying to control my life and why the new world order would want to f**k up the world economy by introducing this vaccine to control me more than they already do I just don’t know mate.
 

[ravenrover]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

What age groups are your 3 people?

[BVB]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

Let’s hope Omicron is mild.
Though mild to a 20 year old may not be so mild to a 93 year old.

Even so, the powers that be shouldn’t be gambling on it being “mild”.

Plan for the worst and hope for best.
Easier to change this than planning for the best if the worst should come along.

Just saying, Donny Baz

BVB

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

What age groups are your 3 people?

One in 30s, and two over 60.

Also friends mother in law had it and has just finished her 10 days and she's early 80s.

[selby]

BVB, it is not an A&E it is a minor injuries unit I think.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

Let’s hope Omicron is mild.
Though mild to a 20 year old may not be so mild to a 93 year old.

Even so, the powers that be shouldn’t be gambling on it being “mild”.

Plan for the worst and hope for best.
Easier to change this than planning for the best if the worst should come along.

Just saying, Donny Baz

BVB

I would tend to agree,  but I would like to see the isolation period addressed so that as soon as you test negative, say after 5 days, you can return to normal.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

What age groups are your 3 people?

One in 30s, and two over 60.

Also friends mother in law had it and has just finished her 10 days and she's early 80s.

There's nothing to learn from individual anecdotal stories. There's enough happening out there to see the big picture on average.

London is the first part of the UK to be hit by Omicron. COVID hospital admissions in London are currently running at 2.5x where they were at the start of the month.

[BVB]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

What age groups are your 3 people?

One in 30s, and two over 60.

Also friends mother in law had it and has just finished her 10 days and she's early 80s.

Glad to hear they seem to have come through DB.
If they have had the Omicron variant and it is milder than previous then that is good news.
Just for reference one way or the other: have these people had their vaccines?
BVB

[BVB]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

Let’s hope Omicron is mild.
Though mild to a 20 year old may not be so mild to a 93 year old.

Even so, the powers that be shouldn’t be gambling on it being “mild”.

Plan for the worst and hope for best.
Easier to change this than planning for the best if the worst should come along.

Just saying, Donny Baz

BVB

I would tend to agree,  but I would like to see the isolation period addressed so that as soon as you test negative, say after 5 days, you can return to normal.

Fair comment, as long as the isolation period means no transmissions to others.

[BVB]

Are we being too over cautious?

Yes, there are people becoming ill but it does seem the vast majority of people, including the three people I know directly, who've had it in the last week suffer with very mild symptoms. They all said, under normal circumstances they wouldn't even have time off work. Having to isolate for a full 10 days seems unnecessary and that's what's harming to business.

You can imagine, they'll be some out there in certain sectors who'll be overjoyed in having to stay off work for 10 days and 'isolate' at this time of year!!

What age groups are your 3 people?

One in 30s, and two over 60.

Also friends mother in law had it and has just finished her 10 days and she's early 80s.

There's nothing to learn from individual anecdotal stories. There's enough happening out there to see the big picture on average.

London is the first part of the UK to be hit by Omicron. COVID hospital admissions in London are currently running at 2.5x where they were at the start of the month.

Bit harsh to dismiss in such a way BST.
These are real people don’t forget.
BVB

[Filo]

Phew. They've found Sunak! I was getting worried for him.

Just seen him on the News. Interesting manoeuvring going on.when he was talking about support for businesses, it was all "I am doing this." Then he was asked about lockdown and he was all "Well that's for the PM."

There's something quite disgusting going on here. The big shots in the Tory party know that Johnson is out next year. But they also know that the swivel eyed backwoodsmen loons on the backbenchers won't support anyone who is instrumental in a lockdown.

So they are stringing Johnson out. Leaving this outbreak to get to crisis point before they finally act.

But by the time they act, the outbreak will be utterly out of control. And if Omicron is not a lot less severe, that's going to result in a disaster for the NHS.

And still we have right wingers in here saying you shouldn't play politics with the epidemic.

A sure sign that lockdown is on the horizon, just the small matter of letting Christmas happen to save the PM’s ego, meanwhile more infections and deaths occur

[BVB]

BVB, it is not an A&E it is a minor injuries unit I think.

Selby - just a suggestion but don’t you think that’s why Goole Hospital didn’t seem so busy?
Happy to be corrected but sounds a bit like Mexborough Hospital once they took the A&E away from there.

Cheers
BVB