Coronavirus

[BillyStubbsTears]

If people's political persuasion matters, that'll be the ex ONS statistician and REFUK political candidate.

Just, y'know, for balance.

[Nudga]

That's good to know thanks for bringing that to my attention.

It's clear then that stats can be bent to anyone's will or politicised.

[Bristol Red Rover]

That's good to know thanks for bringing that to my attention.

It's clear then that stats can be bent to anyone's will or politicised.

This is true. However dying with covid as opposed to dying of covid remain different concepts outside of anyone deliberately telling porkies or just brainwashed into not being able to hear the difference between those two words. The BBC excel in this in every medium they employ.

[no eyed deer]

Was very sceptical during the outbreak, Now even more so !!

Not saying Covid is a myth, just not the deadly virus we were made to believe. 

Now the cost of living has gone crazy, something people did bring up would be a consequence of lockdown.

What a crazy world we live in where the working class will pay a very high price.

 

[ncRover]

And here's the ex ONS head statistician calling out the communist Susan Michie on her misleading stats.
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1571965081570922497?t=ClOQC6aXRNXzXdS4snCPhg&s=19

Doesn’t she now somehow have a job at the WHO?

[Panda]

Correction.

It is not the cost of living crisis. It is the cost of lockdown crisis and we are all paying. So for those pro lockdown zealots out there who are struggling. Suck it up buttercup. Reap what you sow.

[Colin C No.3]

Correction.

It is not the cost of living crisis. It is the cost of lockdown crisis and we are all paying. So for those pro lockdown zealots out there who are struggling. Suck it up buttercup. Reap what you sow.

Are you frothing from the mouth?

[Panda]

Correction.

It is not the cost of living crisis. It is the cost of lockdown crisis and we are all paying. So for those pro lockdown zealots out there who are struggling. Suck it up buttercup. Reap what you sow.

Are you frothing from the mouth?

Not as much as those rabid Covid obsessives were at the time. 

[Panda]

The 'Twindemic' of flu and Covid is coming apparently and it will be a 'very difficult winter for the NHS'.

When is it not?

Isn't this our THIRD winter since Covid and yet nothing has changed with the NHS?

10 hour waits at my local hospital for A&E have been commonplace for about 6 months now and they are now normalized. If people accept such a shit service for so long, the NHS think they can get away with and don't try to improve.

[Ldr]

Here we go again, yawn

[Panda]

Here we go again, yawn

Not posting for your benefit. Take a nap sunshine.

[Ldr]

Love u really Panda

[Panda]

Love u really Panda

Thanks. I have the opposite view on pretty much every human on the planet - including myself. But i get by. 

Don't forget your flu jab. Oh, and pneumonia jab. Oh and also Covid jab. Oh and did i mention the antivirals. You know, just in case? All helps protect our NHS you know.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Anyone who belittles the flu jab has obviously never had flu.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Anyone who belittles the flu jab has obviously never had flu.

Flu can be nasty without pre existing conditions but especially with them, I wonder if you know the effect of flu vaccinations, especially long term, on pre existing conditions, and on immune systems in general? Do you have in mind an idea of the ratio of cost/benefit?

[no eyed deer]

Anyone who belittles the flu jab has obviously never had flu.

Don't think many would, but wouldn't be terrified to go through life without it.

[Panda]

I've not had a flu jab. Probably won't ever get one. My mum is 75 and never had one.

I've had flu though, many times and i am susceptible to viral infections (not as a result of taking an experimental mRNA jab though but via an autoimmune condition). I still wouldn't get a jab.

We may have both been very lucky.

No idea why kids are having the flu jab either. Mine hasn't and won't be having it.

I'm more worried at the daily 12 hour plus waits in A&E at my local hospital if i'm being honest. A situation that has been happening for about 6 months now and which the hospital Trust appears to have normalized through ineptness or deliberate intentions to put people off coming.

Getting flu is not the worry. Getting into hospital and getting treated most certainly is. So with that in mind, on second thoughts - it may be better taking every vaccine under the sun simply to try and avoid our 3rd world health service.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Some viruses, including flu, rarely effect the younger ones much, but by getting the virus when young for the first time their immune systems are prepared for the virus in futiure years. If they don't get the virus, or have a compromised immune response to the virus by having a vax, they are more vulnerable in the future to having a strong reaction. Similar goes for covid.

But then if they get an annual vax then on average their protecton is upped, pharma etc makes a mint and the side effects long and short term are, like with all vax, largely ignored, Keep taking the soma pills....

[ravenrover]

So let every child catch measels, chicken pox, whooping cough diptheria, rickets, small pox, polio, typhoid etc and jobs a good un?

[Panda]

So let every child catch measels, chicken pox, whooping cough diptheria, rickets, small pox, polio, typhoid etc and jobs a good un?

Some of those conditions are actually harmful to kids. Flu isn't.

[ravenrover]

If they catch a proper dose it can be, death in some cases, is quite serious you know

[Panda]

If they catch a proper dose it can be, death in some cases, is quite serious you know

Take your point but like Covid, it pretty much isn't going to kill any young kids, so it is best to let them get infected naturally and fight off the infection naturally. Like BRR says, it is better for immunity long term. As nature intended.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If they catch a proper dose it can be, death in some cases, is quite serious you know

I'd never understood how people could die from flu...until I copped a dose as a fit, healthy 41 year old. Two weeks of fever. Hours every night cough my lungs up until I was bringing up blood. f**king horrible, scary experience and I've never been quite the same since. I get the flu jab as soon as it is available.

Anyone shrugging off the threat of flu has never had a proper dose of it.

[Colin C No.3]

If they catch a proper dose it can be, death in some cases, is quite serious you know

I'd never understood how people could die from flu...until I copped a dose as a fit, healthy 41 year old. Two weeks of fever. Hours every night cough my lungs up until I was bringing up blood. f**king horrible, scary experience and I've never been quite the same since. I get the flu jab as soon as it is available.

Anyone shrugging off the threat of flu has never had a proper dose of it.

Had it 3 times in my lifetime & can remember each occasion vividly due to the horrendous disabilitating symptoms.

The last occasion was the worst, much as you have described BST. Sincerely thought I was going down hill so fast I’d not get through & I’m not one for exaggeration.

Anyone who ‘laughs off’ flu & the effects it has on you is an utter fool.

[Panda]

I don't think i and some others are laughing off or shrugging off the threat of flu. It is a serious illness for many people yes, but like with Covid for many it isn't and that balance of risk has to be taken against the other factors to consider regarding getting a vaccine.

In my personal opinion, flu is more dangerous than Covid and i wouldn't put anyone off going for a flu vaccine which may be needed by a lot of people (Covid jab isn't IMO) and where the flu jab is established vaccine technology and considered generally safe, unlike the mRNA Covid vaccines in my opinion.

Actually i'm a bit rough today as it happens and glad we are at Rochdale saturday as if we were at home this weekend i wouldn't be going the way i feel right now. No idea if it is Covid as i've not once tested for it and will never do so, so it is probably just another seasonal virus that is doing the rounds at the moment.

[ravenrover]

Great, if it is Covid just pass it on. Hope you don't come into contact with someone immune problems

[BillyStubbsTears]

I can't believe we are still having this discussion, but while flu is bad, the idea that normal seasonal flu is remotely as bad as COVID is just flat wrong. No arguments at all.

The infection fatality rate for a bad season of flu is about 0.15%. The IFR for COVID varied between countries, but after allowing for the age of the people infected, the rate was generally 0.5-1%. In other words, if 10,000 people of a range of health conditions, ages and economic backgrounds caught all caught COVID on 1st October, in the absence of vaccinations, 50-100 of them wouldn't make it to November. The numbers for a typical flu strain would be 10-15.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Great, if it is Covid just pass it on. Hope you don't come into contact with someone immune problems

Pretty well proven that covid jabs make little difference to assing it on.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I can't believe we are still having this discussion, but while flu is bad, the idea that normal seasonal flu is remotely as bad as COVID is just flat wrong. No arguments at all.

The infection fatality rate for a bad season of flu is about 0.15%. The IFR for COVID varied between countries, but after allowing for the age of the people infected, the rate was generally 0.5-1%. In other words, if 10,000 people of a range of health conditions, ages and economic backgrounds caught all caught COVID on 1st October, in the absence of vaccinations, 50-100 of them wouldn't make it to November. The numbers for a typical flu strain would be 10-15.

The difference between those figures I accept to a point, though being a statto bod, you'll know that some of the covid people weren't killed by covid. Also in the flu figures, those people dying of other causes won't be counted as flu victims, but in the covid figures they are. So the number is a tad closer than you state. But you know this, just pointing it out for others.

[Ldr]

It is up to each individual (given that the individual has the capacity to make their own decisions) to take what precautions that they see fit to maintain their own well being (and any they have responsibility for) It is not their responsibility for everyone else