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5minstogo

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #210 on March 06, 2020, 10:46:57 pm by 5minstogo »
Nice lady walked into Mexborough Surgery and declared she had symptoms causing mild panic.



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rtid88

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« Reply #211 on March 06, 2020, 10:56:55 pm by rtid88 »
second person died in Milton Keynes hospital 
Somebody who was old and again already ill!
I'm with Nudga on this, I'm not getting swept up in all of the media hype!

DonnyOsmond

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« Reply #212 on March 06, 2020, 11:06:58 pm by DonnyOsmond »
Media hype? I think most places have mostly presented the facts. It's massively contagious, lives on surfaces potentially for days, so cover your mouth when you cough and make sure you then wash before touching anything.

For someone healthy to get it you'll more than likely be fine but someone elderly or someone with underlying health concerns might not do great. WHO said the mortality rate is 3.4% which is lower than the flu but how contagious it is is the main issue.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #213 on March 06, 2020, 11:24:24 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
This feels to me like a Very Bad Sign.

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3074050/coronavirus-us-secretary-state-mike-pompeos-wuhan-virus

There are all sorts of indications that the Trump administration is botching the handling of the virus outbreak.

The fact that they are now calling it Wuhan Virus feels like they are already into Blame Mode.

Increase the panic, change the name to demonise a race /country.

Step 2 complete. Now the propaganda will be in over drive.


Step 3. No one is talking about Brexit and Prince Andrew and Trumps clandestine meetings with Russian officials.

Nudga.

No way in a million years does Trump want this blowing up. If there's one thing guaranteed to lose him the election in November, it's the US government looking hopeless as 3million Americans cork it this summer. That's why they are starting the blame game. Blame it on the Chinese. Stir up xenophobia and deflect attention from their own shortcomings.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #214 on March 07, 2020, 01:56:08 am by SydneyRover »
Peak stupidity brought to you by an Australian Doctor.

Victorian health authorities are trying to contact about 70 patients of a Melbourne doctor who has developed coronavirus after returning from the US

The doctor is the state’s 11th case of the novel coronavirus and the state health minister, Jenny Mikakos, says he attended work and treated patients after her was symptomatic.

“I have to say I am flabbergasted that a doctor that has flulike symptoms has presented to work,” Mikakos said.

“He became unwell with a runny nose on an internal flight from Denver to San Francisco on February 27, US time, then flew to from San Francisco to Melbourne on United Airlines flight UA60, arriving at approximately 9.30am Saturday 29 February.”

The doctor saw approximately 70 patients last week between Monday 2 March and Friday 6 March at the Toorak Clinic on Malvern Road. The clinic has been since closed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/flabbergasted-melbourne-doctor-with-coronavirus-symptoms-continued-seeing-patients

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #215 on March 07, 2020, 12:29:17 pm by Copps is Magic »
I agree with others who have pointed out that panicking is far far more dangerous than the virus itself. Look at pretty much every contemporary famine - caused by panicking - stockpiling, hoarding, redistributing food unevenly, price hikes etc. and never actually a dramatic reduction in food production itself. Panicking will also put undue stress on healthcare systems and detract from those who genuinely need the care.

I have been trying to keep up with some of latest science behind the virus. Its extremely difficult, the first results you get on google are all media - msnbc, nbc etc. that is pretty terrible for humanity, I feel, that

Anyway:
  • The country that has done the widest testing of its population (140k people), and the most reliable testing, is South Korea, and they are reporting a death rate of 0.6% of the population.
  • The testing capacity and procedures in many Western countries (particulary USA) is woefully inadequate.
  • There are already (has been for a while actually) two strands of the disease. An "S" type and "L" type. The S type, i.e. the less powerful version, is the one most widely spreading
  • Professor David Hui has led a major study in China suggesting that around half of cases show very little symptoms, no fever at all. Might be linked to the two type of the disease described above
  • Linked to the above, another major study has shown that Children are just as likely to get infected as adults, just they don't appear to be showing symptoms. It appears to be a myth that this virus doen't affect children.
  • If you want to go out and do something useful for yourself and humanity, don't go out panick buying spam and bog role, but take some Vitamin D. It is literaly something that is scientifically proven to improve your immune system, and is one of the reasons such virsues spread slower in summer/warmer climates - because its produced naturally then

I would urge people to find information for themselves: Go to scientific journal websites (lancet etc.) - most of it is now increasingly open access and easily understandable. Search for Youtube channels from experts/doctors also.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #216 on March 07, 2020, 12:50:43 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
All good advice Coops.

And let's hope the 0.6% mortality rate is right. (Although even if it is, and even if the rate of infection is no bigger than a normal flu pandemic - both of which are on the optimistic side - that's still 10million deaths worldwide and 100,000 in the UK.

My point, constantly, has been not about panicking. It's been about taking sensible, obvious precautions.

I've just been to CostCo to do our monthly big shop. Just seen a middle aged bloke sneeze all over a display of washing powder that folk are going to be picking up. That's disgusting behaviour at the best of times. In the current circumstances, it is appalling. But you will get a strain of idiots being prepared to do that if they think this is all overblown.

We have to make that sort of behaviour as unacceptable as smoking in front of kids. And we have about a month to do it. Which is why I'm getting so fraught with the "meh" brigade.

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« Reply #217 on March 07, 2020, 01:05:40 pm by adamtherover »
Comments from a disease specialist..

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil.  I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and  strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it.  Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #218 on March 07, 2020, 01:10:30 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Can't argue with any of that Adam.

There's a flipsude though. Panic is one enemy. Complacency is at least as big an enemy.heres the words of the head of the WHO, who we should probably listen to more than anyone.

"Ultimately, how deadly this virus will be depends not only on the virus itself, but on how we respond to it.

This is a serious disease. It is not deadly to most people, but it can kill.

We’re all responsible for reducing our own risk of infection, and if we’re infected, for reducing our risk of infecting others.

There’s something all of us can do to protect vulnerable people in our communities.

That’s why we keep talking about solidarity.

This is not just a threat for individual people, or individual countries.

We’re all in this together, and we can only save lives together."

SydneyRover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #219 on March 07, 2020, 02:21:09 pm by SydneyRover »
Germany appears to have a fairly robust healthcare system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #220 on March 07, 2020, 10:26:41 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Watch this.
https://www.channel4.com/news/this-is-the-most-frightening-disease-ive-ever-encountered-virus-expert-dr-richard-hatchett

Pass it round among everyone you know. And for Christ's sake, please convince everyone you know to take this seriously.

Stop looking out for reasons to ignore this. Start taking it seriously right now. Like this man says, and like the head of the WHO says, the ONLY way we are going to control the effects of this is by every single one of us doing whatever we can do to minimise transmission. If you don't engage with that, more people WILL die. It's that simple.

Nudga

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« Reply #221 on March 07, 2020, 10:50:34 pm by Nudga »
I got as far as he's getting £20 million. Of course he's going to peddle the frightening bed time stories, he's f**kin minted now.
What did I say about people making money out of this.
This is just the start.
He worked in the Bush administration FFS.
The same administration that found a couple of passports from a twisted, burning reckage of two fallen skyscrapers to set off a chain of events that's f**ked the world over to probably be never repaired again.


BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #222 on March 07, 2020, 11:11:30 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
f**king hell Nudga. I always had you down as someone with his head screwed on. But they've got you haven't they? You've gone full David Icke.

You reckon they've given him £20m to buy a super yacht? It's gone to his organisation, which is one of the ones that helps save us from the shite that Mother Nature chucks at us.

People like him are what keep us from sinking into a suspicious, pestilence-ridden existence. And right now, listening to him will help save countless lives worldwide. If you insist on it all being a con, YOU are to blame when this thing gets out of control.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #223 on March 08, 2020, 12:22:10 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Like I keep saying. Get ready for massive changes in lifestyle.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238

We'll be where Italy now is within 2-3 weeks if our cases keep on doubling every other day.

Nudga

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« Reply #224 on March 08, 2020, 05:27:20 am by Nudga »
f**king hell Nudga. I always had you down as someone with his head screwed on. But they've got you haven't they? You've gone full David Icke.

You reckon they've given him £20m to buy a super yacht? It's gone to his organisation, which is one of the ones that helps save us from the shite that Mother Nature chucks at us.

People like him are what keep us from sinking into a suspicious, pestilence-ridden existence. And right now, listening to him will help save countless lives worldwide. If you insist on it all being a con, YOU are to blame when this thing gets out of control.


Oh wow, so for the first time in what, 10 or 12 years I don't agree with what you've post and you belittle me and liken me to David Icke and then BLAME me or people like me.

Well I blame you and sensationalist doom mongers like you that have been raping the super markets like we're heading for a f**kin Zombie apocalypse.

f**k it, I'll go David Icke on you again and tell you that I believe its NOT "mother nature" at work here.
Some daft Kitson has let the cat out of the bag.

But "they've" got you haven't "they" BST.

I'll raise your David Icke and give you The Media Machine.

And no, I don't believe he's got the full £20 mill to buy a yacht, of course some of it will go to "research" but he's gonna do well out of it.

Cancer is a bigger killer than this poxy flu virus but we're still processing and eating shit food that can lead to cancer and are going full steam into 5g, great idea that.

In years gone by, governments would have tried to keep a lid on this as much as they could so as not to cause national panic.
It just doesn't add up to me. So if you're just going to try and make me look stupid for being a free thinker and having a totally different take on it than you, then we'll just agree to disagree and leave it here and crack on and have a laugh in a different thread.
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BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #225 on March 08, 2020, 11:34:36 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Nudga.

1) Flu viruses have always mutated. They've caused epidemics throughout history. This is no different.

2) I agree that there are plenty of other things that kill lots of people.

3) None of that changes how dangerous this is. This WILL overwhelm the NHS for a month or more if we don't get it under control.

Forgive me for responding aggressively, but frankly I'm frightened about the extent of the damage this is going to do to our country if we don't start taking it seriously and addressing our behaviour.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #226 on March 08, 2020, 12:36:38 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
This from the BBC website.

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The health care system in the Italian region of Lombardy is on the brink of collapse, the head of its crisis response unit has said.

"We're now being forced to set up intensive care treatment in corridors, in operating theatres, in recovery rooms. We've emptied entire hospital sections to make space for seriously sick people," Antonio Pesenti told the Corriere della Sera newspaper.

"One of the best health systems in the world, in Lombardy, is a step away from collapse," he said.

This is what is around the corner for us if we don't take some serious steps now. We have 2-3 weeks at current growth rates until we have a similar situation here.

Take. It. Seriously.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #227 on March 08, 2020, 09:04:11 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
San Marino is going to be an interesting case.

They have by far the highest infection rate in the world at present - 36 cases in a population of 33,000. That's 6 times the rate of South Korea and 8 times the rate of Italy. So it's like they are a week or so ahead of anywhere else in the world. So we might see from their numbers how this is going to progress.

Even better case might be Iceland. 55 cases in a population about the size of DMBC. That's about the same infection rate as South Korea.

They have the geographical position and financial clout to isolate themselves effectively. And a high quality health service. It'll be interesting to see how it progresses there. Can they contain it? And if they don't, how rapidly does it spread and how many people does it end up killing?

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« Reply #228 on March 08, 2020, 09:12:33 pm by Filo »
Doncaster has zero cases at the moment

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #229 on March 08, 2020, 09:29:30 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
I've just received an e-mail from the son of the former Foreign Minister of Nigeria.

Apparently his dad managed to stash away extremely rare and valuable goods before he was deposed and the lad wants my assistance in getting them to the UK where we can sell them and share the vast profit.

Anybody got a box that can fit a dozen 4 packs of Andrex and 20 bottles of hand sanitizer?

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« Reply #230 on March 08, 2020, 09:32:50 pm by Dutch Uncle »
I think this might be a good time to think about Pascal's wager:

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).


Either the novel coronavirus is a serious threat potentially leading to tens of millions of deaths, or some factor epidemiologist experts don't know yet, or currently underestimate, might mitigate it.

Either way please everyone buy into the precautions recommended and take it seriously until a moment comes when it can be proven to be well past its peak. If it fizzles you have lost nothing major. If it takes off then at least we have all given our best shot in trying to mitigate it.

And please don't be the one who spreads it to vulnerable immuno-compromised people - your body might handle the virus well but tens of millions of people, not all old, will not be so lucky.

Filo

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« Reply #231 on March 08, 2020, 09:35:09 pm by Filo »
I've just received an e-mail from the son of the former Foreign Minister of Nigeria.

Apparently his dad managed to stash away extremely rare and valuable goods before he was deposed and the lad wants my assistance in getting them to the UK where we can sell them and share the vast profit.

Anybody got a box that can fit a dozen 4 packs of Andrex and 20 bottles of hand sanitizer?


Why would the son of the Former Foreign Minister of Nigeria contact you?

*carrying on the recent theme of taking everything serious

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #232 on March 08, 2020, 09:41:18 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Dutch.

Amen to that. Every word.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #233 on March 08, 2020, 09:41:58 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
I've just received an e-mail from the son of the former Foreign Minister of Nigeria.

Apparently his dad managed to stash away extremely rare and valuable goods before he was deposed and the lad wants my assistance in getting them to the UK where we can sell them and share the vast profit.

Anybody got a box that can fit a dozen 4 packs of Andrex and 20 bottles of hand sanitizer?


Why would the son of the Former Foreign Minister of Nigeria contact you?

*carrying on the recent theme of taking everything serious

Dunno mate. I didn't see anything funny in it myself.

wilts rover

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« Reply #234 on March 08, 2020, 09:46:26 pm by wilts rover »
Britain 2019

Brexit means Brexit - we survived two World Wars so crashing out of the EU with no-deal will cause no problem at all.

Britain 2020

F*** off - that's my pack of Andrex

Sprotyrover

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« Reply #235 on March 08, 2020, 09:54:08 pm by Sprotyrover »
I've just received an e-mail from the son of the former Foreign Minister of Nigeria.

Apparently his dad managed to stash away extremely rare and valuable goods before he was deposed and the lad wants my assistance in getting them to the UK where we can sell them and share the vast profit.

Anybody got a box that can fit a dozen 4 packs of Andrex and 20 bottles of hand sanitizer?


Why would the son of the Former Foreign Minister of Nigeria contact you?

*carrying on the recent theme of taking everything serious
Don't trust that Nigerian Trickster he had a tenner out of me before I found out there was no stranded Oil tanker just off Laos😎

wilts rover

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« Reply #236 on March 08, 2020, 09:56:09 pm by wilts rover »
And something more profound too follow up what Dutch has said:

#CoronaVirus a brutal lesson in what "welfare," used often as a swear word, means. It means that plight of weak & vulnerable in society impacts us all. That a healthy citizenry benefits all. That collective good is the ultimate good. That no-one is immune from pain, misfortune.

https://twitter.com/ChrChristensen/status/1236675927117115393

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #237 on March 08, 2020, 09:56:56 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
It'd be well stranded if it was off the coast of Laos.

Sprotyrover

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« Reply #238 on March 08, 2020, 09:59:19 pm by Sprotyrover »
And something more profound too follow up what Dutch has said:

#CoronaVirus a brutal lesson in what "welfare," used often as a swear word, means. It means that plight of weak & vulnerable in society impacts us all. That a healthy citizenry benefits all. That collective good is the ultimate good. That no-one is immune from pain, misfortune.

https://twitter.com/ChrChristensen/status/1236675927117115393
Sproty's top tip! Get your copy of the Metro news papar you can cut each page in half and that equates to 16 bum cleans...or in Mrs Sproty's case 4! 😉

Sprotyrover

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« Reply #239 on March 08, 2020, 10:08:17 pm by Sprotyrover »
The problem seems to be the ease at which it can be passed on, hence the mass lock downs in infected countries. It's a nasty cousin of the Common chuffing cold!

 

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