Trump and democracy

[drfchound]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

Give it a rest. You KNOW what Wilts is saying. It's what I expanded on last night.

Some people trust leaders.
Some people are desperate for help.

Put the two together and there will INEVITABLY be some people who take Trump's words as a green light. So he's not telling them they MUST. He's telling them they CAN. And desperate people won't see the distinction.

Having an argument over the fact that he didn't stand there and say "Thou shalt inject bleach" is puerile. Give it a rest.

[drfchound]

Hound.

Give it a rest. You KNOW what Wilts is saying. It's what I expanded on last night.

Some people trust leaders.
Some people are desperate for help.

Put the two together and there will INEVITABLY be some people who take Trump's words as a green light. So he's not telling them they MUST. He's telling them they CAN. And desperate people won't see the distinction.

Having an argument over the fact that he didn't stand there and say "Thou shalt inject bleach" is puerile. Give it a rest.

Give it a rest?
You what?
Wilts is the one who is spreading the bait here.

Trump certainly did not tell anyone to inject disinfectant.....he did not......clear enough.
Would you jump off the Don bridge if someone told you the fall would frighten the virus out of your body (if you had it).
Of course I agree that he was talking about it but he did not tell anyone to try it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

You are doing the BB thing.

Ignoring the big picture and obsessing about linguistic and semantic detail.

But if you want to do that, here's the point. Trump did not EXPLICITLY tell people to ingest disinfectant.  He did IMPLICITLY tell vulnerable, desperate people who idolise him that it is ok to do so.

[drfchound]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

[Filo]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

That same pile in happens with the pensioner tag team 😀

[drfchound]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

That same pile in happens with the pensioner tag team 😀

Boom, there goes another one......inevitable.

[Filo]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

That same pile in happens with the pensioner tag team 😀

Boom, there goes another one......inevitable.

No pile in, just an observation

[IDM]

Trump didn’t directly tell people to inject disinfectant, but the fact that he brought the subject up in a way of questioning his scientific adviser if this was something which could be done, was bad enough.  Anyone with half a brain knows that’s not a good idea to start with, so why ask.?

People will choose to follow, whether this was advice or not.

[Glyn_Wigley]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

Making just one point. Like me, you mean? I write for myself, no-one else. Do you?

[Bentley Bullet]

Hound.

You are doing the BB thing.

Ignoring the big picture and obsessing about linguistic and semantic detail.

But if you want to do that, here's the point. Trump did not EXPLICITLY tell people to ingest disinfectant.  He did IMPLICITLY tell vulnerable, desperate people who idolise him that it is ok to do so.

BST, if you're going to use my name don't lie.

[wilts rover]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

I am asking you hound as you have commented on it. I doubt they will be well enough to ask for a while yet?

Why did 30 people in New York drink detergent?

[drfchound]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

Making just one point. Like me, you mean? I write for myself, no-one else. Do you?

I do, but you quickly join in with your mates.

[drfchound]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

I am asking you hound as you have commented on it. I doubt they will be well enough to ask for a while yet?

Why did 30 people in New York drink detergent?

Because Trump told them to, well according to you anyway.
I haven’t seen anyone else say that he actually told them to do so.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

You seem to have a blind spot for these threads were these "mates" have quite strident differences of opinion.

[Nudga]

Is it possible that Trump was actually saying "either pump yourself full of Gates' aluminium vaccine or pump yourself full of detergent"?

I don't know, is Trump that clever?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound

Simple questions.

Do you think Trump was stupid and dangerous to suggest ingesting detergent would help?

Do you think there was a risk that vulnerable, desperate people might take that as a green light?

In which case, if the answers are "yes" are you really making best use of your ire having this argument?

[drfchound]

Hound

Simple questions.

Do you think Trump was stupid and dangerous to suggest ingesting detergent would help?

Do you think there was a risk that vulnerable, desperate people might take that as a green light?

In which case, if the answers are "yes" are you really making best use of your ire having this argument?

Let’s just take this back to the basics.
Post #108....wilts clearly says that Trump TOLD the New Yorkers to take the disinfectant.
I said that he hadn’t.
The usual suspects all pile in ( funnily enough, Syderney hasn’t.....but he will be along soon I reckon).
The rest of the argument is about deflecting the actual point I made.
Anyway, I am out if it now.
The group will have to find someone else to have a go at.

[i_ateallthepies]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

That same pile in happens with the pensioner tag team 😀

Chuff me! I'll be a pensioner next year, does that mean I'll have to become an argumentative t**t with no heart or brains?  Do you think injecting myself with disinfectant might cure it?

[wilts rover]

Hound

Simple questions.

Do you think Trump was stupid and dangerous to suggest ingesting detergent would help?

Do you think there was a risk that vulnerable, desperate people might take that as a green light?

In which case, if the answers are "yes" are you really making best use of your ire having this argument?

Let’s just take this back to the basics.
Post #108....wilts clearly says that Trump TOLD the New Yorkers to take the disinfectant.
I said that he hadn’t.
The usual suspects all pile in ( funnily enough, Syderney hasn’t.....but he will be along soon I reckon).
The rest of the argument is about deflecting the actual point I made.
Anyway, I am out if it now.
The group will have to find someone else to have a go at.

Sorry hound, I certainly didn't ask anyone to join in - but its an open forum.

As far as I can remember you and I have always had very civil arguments/disagreements. And please take it as compliment that I hope we have many more in the years to come.

Stay safe.

[Glyn_Wigley]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

Making just one point. Like me, you mean? I write for myself, no-one else. Do you?

I do, but you quickly join in with your mates.

I'm not 'joining in' with anybody. If I see someone spouting what I think is rubbish I'll react to it. On my own, speaking for no-one but myself. I've said all this to you before but it seems the paranoia has gripped you once again.

PS As I'm currently recovering from the virus and at the same time having to look after my missus who is worse than I am, I don't think I'm doing anything quickly. Certainly not look through threads and see who's posting in them to help me decide to 'join in' with anything. So get that through your head or I'll come and breathe on you instead.

[BillyStubbsTears]

At the risk of appearsing to pile on, that's the bit I don;t get myself. If several people think *I* am talking b*llocks and say so, it never strikes me as some sort of co-ordinated attack. Just several individuals taking issue with what I've said.

Isn't that obvious?

[drfchound]

Glyn, sorry to hear about your health issues and I hope that you and your wife pull through.
To put this discussion to bed though, please have a read of post #138.
There are lots of people on the forum who speak about “only dealing with facts”, not speculation.
My comment about Trump not telling anyone to take disinfectant is a fact.
Anything else being suggested is only speculative.

PS: I am glad you don’t live near me otherwise will would probably have to lock my gates more often.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glyn.

Good luck with your recovery.

[wilts rover]

All the best Glyn.

And please, stay off the bleach. Whatever Trumps says.

[Glyn_Wigley]

When you have the virus you don't want to eat or drink much at all anyway. I dropped two stone, which ordinarily I wouldn't have minded in the slightest, but doing it in two weeks wasn't the best way to do it!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Whoa!

Reminds me of when I had salmonella 15 years back. Cracking way to lose 2 stone in a fortnight.

[IDM]

At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345

I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.

Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?

You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.

Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.

Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.

Making just one point. Like me, you mean? I write for myself, no-one else. Do you?

I do, but you quickly join in with your mates.

I'm not 'joining in' with anybody. If I see someone spouting what I think is rubbish I'll react to it. On my own, speaking for no-one but myself. I've said all this to you before but it seems the paranoia has gripped you once again.

PS As I'm currently recovering from the virus and at the same time having to look after my missus who is worse than I am, I don't think I'm doing anything quickly. Certainly not look through threads and see who's posting in them to help me decide to 'join in' with anything. So get that through your head or I'll come and breathe on you instead.

Best wishes to both of you..

[SydneyRover]

Get better soon Glyn, I don't suppose you really need the advice of the part-time forum moderators but it's alway good for a laugh which may help cheer you up during your recovery.