Tory Scum

[DonnyOsmond]

  What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called  anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.

I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...

But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.

Really? He apologised to a newspaper when they asked him to make a comment, he didn't apologise to the person he was referring to and is only apologising as he got caught. He was hoping to get away with saying it in a private WhatsApp group and not being pulled up on it. Like I said proposing the murder of someone is worse than calling someone scum.

Irrespective, he has apologised.

To a newspaper.......

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting these private WhatsApp groups, should they be private or not? I actually did a course which covered that recently, quite interesting.

The guys an idiot though, what a daft thing to say.  Tempered by it being private mind.

[SydneyRover]

Burnham's entire career has been WAY to the right of Starmer.

What exactly DO you want? Just someone who speaks with a northern accent?

What part of brought round with a leadership campaign aren't you understanding ?

Burnham's entire career has been WAY to the right of Starmer.

What exactly DO you want? Just someone who speaks with a northern accent?

I don't think you have answered this properly tyke, as representative of the angriest men in britain are you saying you are supportive of a politician who is to the right of devil-man starmer whom eats live babies?

Calling Steve, SS I'm totally gobsmacked you are not riding to the rescue here, you're a burnham man are you not? any other burnham over starmer supporters want to step in here and tidy this mess up?

[drfchound]

  What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called  anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.

I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...

But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.

Really? He apologised to a newspaper when they asked him to make a comment, he didn't apologise to the person he was referring to and is only apologising as he got caught. He was hoping to get away with saying it in a private WhatsApp group and not being pulled up on it. Like I said proposing the murder of someone is worse than calling someone scum.

Irrespective, he has apologised.

To a newspaper.......

Via a newspaper.

[SydneyRover]

Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.

But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.

For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.

The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division.  Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.

I commend her passion and the fact she's made a solid career for herself despite leaving school early but it's just some of the language she uses will alienate some people and like you say is too aggressive. She isn't electable but she is a better candidate than Starmer, which says a lot. For me the best hope Labour have is Andy Burnham, he has the passion, he's composed and he has the leadership needed. What's your thoughts on Burnham as being someone who is more center/center-right?

I could be brought round to Burnham but I would have to be brought round as I say .

I'd be paying his leadership pitch with some attention to say the least .
He'd have to improve his leadership campaign from his first leadership attempt because he was walloped by Corbyn along with the other Blairite Liz Kendal .

His time as Mayor of Manchester and covid have increased his popularity no doubt .

I was also impressed with his work with the Hillsborough families .

I wouldn't dismiss him I'll say that .

Oops I posted up an incorrect quote before

With all your caveats tyke, have you support any other labour parties apart from a JC led one? and why would you expect a person such as burnham to suddenly change his politics so radically, wouldn't that make him hypocritical and therefore unelectable? I take it your not keen on hypocrites.

[SydneyRover]

The word scum is nowhere near as offensive as the racist remarks and things said about minority groups or about the working people of britain and other countries by so many of the tory leadership, there is a double standard operating here.

However I think that anything that has the potential to lose votes should not be on the radar of anyone in the labour leadership team.

Threatening to plant a bomb even in jest is totally brainless and indefensible.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.

Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.

[SydneyRover]

Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.

Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.

My party hmmmm, I don't think scum is anywhere near as offensive as cancelling school meals, threatening to take the £20 increase off UC, having 14million poor in the country and a 1200% iincrease in the numbers of food banks, I guess these things must have been done by your party?

[Sprotyrover]

Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed  behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.

Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.

My party hmmmm, I don't think scum is anywhere near as offensive as cancelling school meals, threatening to take the £20 increase off UC, having 14million poor in the country and a 1200% iincrease in the numbers of food banks, I guess these things must have been done by your party?

I don't have a party I'm a member of nothing but my own thoughts.  It is possible to question all of them you know.

My thoughts, don't increase UC fix the fundamental issues that mean people are on it and get them off it.

Define poor...

[SydneyRover]

Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.

Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.

My party hmmmm, I don't think scum is anywhere near as offensive as cancelling school meals, threatening to take the £20 increase off UC, having 14million poor in the country and a 1200% iincrease in the numbers of food banks, I guess these things must have been done by your party?

I don't have a party I'm a member of nothing but my own thoughts.  It is possible to question all of them you know.

My thoughts, don't increase UC fix the fundamental issues that mean people are on it and get them off it.

Define poor...

So you don't see any difference in someone taking pot shots at their political opponents and the political elite or just the plain old elite taking offensive cheap pot shots at minority groups, people whom generally don't have the means to defend themselves or fight back pud?

Here you can work out what poor means pud or you can try and explain it statistics.

Number of people in poverty in working families hits record high. About 14m struggling to make ends meet.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/07/uk-live-poverty-charity-joseph-rowntree-foundation

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm not a fan of this sort of language by leading politicians, but isn't Rayner being reasonable in saying that she will apologise for calling Johnson "scum" if he apologises for calling gay men "Tank top wearing bum boys"?

Seems like  a fair deal.

Or, to put it another way, if you are the sort of scum who makes a political career out of insulting anyone within reach, at least be big enough to accept it is a fair description when someone calls you "scum".

[DonnyOsmond]

Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed  behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!

A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.

Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed  behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!

A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.

Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?

Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?

[Filo]

Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed  behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!

A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.

Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?

I’m sure Sproty will be back to correct his misrepresentation of the facts

[selby]

  While people are talking about a working class oik with slippy Knickers she has done exactly what the Tories want and deflected conversation from how we are being governed and onto the class war that Labour have lost as people want to and think of themselves as not any longer working class.
  Well done.

[Sprotyrover]

Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed  behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!

A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.

Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?

Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?

I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!

[selby]

  And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
  She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
 Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
  So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson walked into a football forum...

[Filo]

Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed  behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!

A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.

Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?

Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?

I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!

Ah right, so when you peddled the lie that she was living off the generosity of the tory party, what did you really mean?

[DonnyOsmond]

  And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
  She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
 Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
  So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.

Can't win!

A few years ago they fully coated their manifesto then all the right wing press and Tories came out with the line "There's no magic money tree". Yet the Tories hadn't coated theirs at all!

[belton rover]

So Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson walked into a football forum...

…and Billy said to them, ‘Hey, I’m the most condescending poster on here. That means I talk down to people.’

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

  And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
  She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
 Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
  So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.

Can't win!

A few years ago they fully coated their manifesto then all the right wing press and Tories came out with the line "There's no magic money tree". Yet the Tories hadn't coated theirs at all!

Labour honest today though.  £28b a year on green investment. They're going to borrow it all.

[SydneyRover]

  And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
  She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
 Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
  So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.

She, selby doesn't even know you exist and probably doesn't give an ff

Just a question were you a virgin at 16?

[belton rover]

  And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
  She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
 Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
  So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.

She, selby doesn't even know you exist and probably doesn't give an ff

Just a question were you a virgin at 16?

Are you?

[BigH]

  She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
 
  So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost.

Well by those criteria, we currently have the most 'socialist' government this country's had in seventy years!

[selby]

 Are you still a virgin, you come over on here like a schoolboy.

[SydneyRover]

Are you still a virgin, you come over on here like a schoolboy.

  And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
  She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
 Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
  So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.

She, selby doesn't even know you exist and probably doesn't give an ff

Just a question were you a virgin at 16?

I'll your answer as a 'don't know' then?

[selby]

You think what you want, but don't over tax your brain cell, leave room for your next meal.
  And don't rush to try and belittle people, you missed the word take out of your sentence  in your rush to have the last word again.  Steady up, don't get so anxious, the forum can't afford to lose such a respected and intelligent poster such as yourself, just calm down before you bust a blood vessel.

[SydneyRover]

You think what you want, but don't over tax your brain cell, leave room for your next meal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s__rX_WL100