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Quote from: Mike_F on March 11, 2020, 01:58:51 pmQuote from: IDM on March 11, 2020, 12:45:07 pmWithout wanting to get too controversial, and playing devils advocate, should we let nature take its course.? What happens next time a similar new virus strain crops up.? Do we shut down every time or accept that some things can’t be beaten.?The issue I guess with that is because this one is so virulent, the natural course of things would lead to millions infected and tens of thousands hospitalised in a very short window therefore overwhelming healthcare provision and leading to more deaths not only from the virus but others who would miss out on treatment for other life-threatening conditions/injuries etc.I don't doubt that this thing will spread and despite all precautions with regard to self isolation etc. the best hope we have is to flatten the curve a bit and give the NHS a fighting chance of keeping on top of the workload over a longer period of time.So we HAVE to do something to slow down the spread around the time of the peak. Get the number of cases down to lower figures and give the NHS a chance to cope.
Quote from: IDM on March 11, 2020, 12:45:07 pmWithout wanting to get too controversial, and playing devils advocate, should we let nature take its course.? What happens next time a similar new virus strain crops up.? Do we shut down every time or accept that some things can’t be beaten.?The issue I guess with that is because this one is so virulent, the natural course of things would lead to millions infected and tens of thousands hospitalised in a very short window therefore overwhelming healthcare provision and leading to more deaths not only from the virus but others who would miss out on treatment for other life-threatening conditions/injuries etc.I don't doubt that this thing will spread and despite all precautions with regard to self isolation etc. the best hope we have is to flatten the curve a bit and give the NHS a fighting chance of keeping on top of the workload over a longer period of time.
Without wanting to get too controversial, and playing devils advocate, should we let nature take its course.? What happens next time a similar new virus strain crops up.? Do we shut down every time or accept that some things can’t be beaten.?
IDMI don't know if it will work. But we have to try it. The peak is going to be very bad. It's a question of if we can stop it being very, VERY bad.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 11, 2020, 04:42:25 pmQuote from: Mike_F on March 11, 2020, 01:58:51 pmQuote from: IDM on March 11, 2020, 12:45:07 pmWithout wanting to get too controversial, and playing devils advocate, should we let nature take its course.? What happens next time a similar new virus strain crops up.? Do we shut down every time or accept that some things can’t be beaten.?The issue I guess with that is because this one is so virulent, the natural course of things would lead to millions infected and tens of thousands hospitalised in a very short window therefore overwhelming healthcare provision and leading to more deaths not only from the virus but others who would miss out on treatment for other life-threatening conditions/injuries etc.I don't doubt that this thing will spread and despite all precautions with regard to self isolation etc. the best hope we have is to flatten the curve a bit and give the NHS a fighting chance of keeping on top of the workload over a longer period of time.So we HAVE to do something to slow down the spread around the time of the peak. Get the number of cases down to lower figures and give the NHS a chance to cope.Last week we had a 33% increase daily, today we have 25%, a bigger physical number, but in terms of actual growth into big numbers, is it slowing down?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 11, 2020, 06:20:49 pmIDMI don't know if it will work. But we have to try it. The peak is going to be very bad. It's a question of if we can stop it being very, VERY bad.I have to agree but all I can see these measures doing is postponing the effects - with the benefit of spreading the load on the nhs.?
AdamIt's not ME saying this is the typical rate of growth. It's global experts who have spent their life studying these things. I don't understand why you feel the need to fight these facts.
Theres 2 cases in south Yorkshire, 2!! That's some growth to be done before we run out of hospital beds. This is my last post on the subject, stay safe everyone!
Well now!A propos of that post, Trump has just announced that the USA is introducing travel restrictions from Europe. But they won't include the UK...
UK and Ireland are not part of the schengen area
Quote from: Ldr on March 12, 2020, 07:56:53 amUK and Ireland are not part of the schengen areaBut we still have to let eu citizens in as it stands who can then take a trip to America, doesnt as yet make sense.
A reply sent to me from Marie at DRFC with regards to the clubs response to the virus . Hi Brian, I have tried to give you a call in response to this but was unable to get through earlier, I hope you don’t mind me replying by email. In terms of the current position, we are following guidance from Public Health England and the EFL and we continue to plan for Saturday’s match as usual. We have put additional hygiene measures in place, such as additional cleaning of public areas, signage reminders of washing hands, front of staff house using antibacterial wipes regularly throughout the day on door handles and reception counters etc etc. Catering staff have also been briefed by reinforcing existing rules and practices around food safety, personal hygiene and infection control. Although the current guidance suggests that washing hands with soap and water is the most effective method, we are also trying to source wall mounted hand sanitiser units for supporters piece of mind. As you may be aware, there is a widespread shortage of these available currently but we have an order which is due to be delivered this Friday. I am a little cautious of announcing this publicly at this stage as I would rather have received the delivery and had them in place before confirming! We have been through the stadium this week to ensure every soap dispenser is working and well stocked. This will be checked again on Friday morning, along with paper towels dispensers as part of our pre-match checks. We have put additional posters up in all toilets to remind people to wash their hands. This information is planned to go out to supporters as part of the pre match communications (usually on a Friday). As the situation is evolving, we thought it better to provide the most up to date information possible to supporters to be able to make an informed decision about their match day plans. If you would like me to give you a call tomorrow to discuss further, please let me know a convenient time and I will get in touch.Best wishes, Marie