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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: silent majority on April 21, 2021, 12:51:51 pm
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I had a chat with Gavin this morning, and despite last nights performance, he did feel upbeat about our search for a new manager.
From that conversation I understood this;
At the end of play on Monday we'd had 120 applicants.
(and, tongue in cheek, nobody had pulled out because of last nights performance!)
The initial work was to whittle that down to about 80.
From there Gavin will need to provide a list of about 16 which will be discussed with the Chairman on Friday and that will then be presented to the board.
That process of elimination begins today and the idea is to get behind the statistics that prospective managers will have included in their CV. From our discussion it was clear that the CV's that applicants provide is they are all polished and professional and will include things like win ratios, possession percentages etc.
The way to get around that is to verify those claims and to get a better understanding of the individual, to carry out due diligence and to see the individual for what he is, style of play and philosophy for example. The way to do that is to speak to others, and that will include managers at the highest level (and I do mean highest level), players, colleagues, back room staff, club owners and even on occasions fans if we have connections with those.
That list of 16 is then graded using the criteria that the club drew up, and each candidate will be scored. The idea is then to present to the board a list of 5 or 6 who will be asked to attend for interview.
There's also the need to make allowances for a 'left field' candidate, one who might not have all the documented data and years of experience but yet has that certain something that makes them stand out from the crowd, a Grant McCann type of candidate for instance!
I hope that's of interest.
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Many thanks SM for the update, most appreciated .
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Thanks Martin it’s going to be interesting how we go about keeping a manager going forward.
Is there a remit that the new person can bring in their own team or at least assistant
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Thanks Martin.
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Thanks for the update, any indication of the quality of applicants , obviously i don't expect any names.
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The last paragraph is an interesting one. I agree fully that you have to keep an open mind with these things. Russell Martin is a good example of that, hear him speak for 10 seconds and it’s obvious he’s got it. Couldn’t let a potential high class manager slip through the net because he doesn’t tick a certain box.
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Butlers current win ratio is 25%
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Great transparency from the club this. I don't think anyone expected a blow by blow breakdown of the process but you can't argue with any of that. And thanks to SM for chasing it of course. Fingers crossed Stendel is one of those CVs eh!
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The last paragraph is an interesting one. I agree fully that you have to keep an open mind with these things. Russell Martin is a good example of that, hear him speak for 10 seconds and it’s obvious he’s got it. Couldn’t let a potential high class manager slip through the net because he doesn’t tick a certain box.
We talked quite a bit about that as I remembered the conversations we'd had at the time. I remember it specifically because I was in Russia for the World Cup when the interviews were being held and Gavin mentioned this Grant McCann character and how impressed the board were .I had no idea who he was apart from that brief spell at Peterborough. It was no surprise that the club then appointed him.
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Butlers current win ratio is 25%
yes , but he might come under the Hull Snakes category.
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Speaking to managers at the highest level, Klopp is German, and so is Stendel, they’ll know each other surely
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Thanks for the update, any indication of the quality of applicants , obviously i don't expect any names.
Yet again we have attracted high calibre candidates, to be fair its not new its happened before, but they don't always sit well with us, and some have completely off the wall expectations. Having said that until its whittled down to the 5 or 6 for interview we won't really know who'll be next.
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Thanks for passing all of that on Martin. It should make supporters feel 'involved'.
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This is the best news all round and maybe it will get some of the players thinking about what they are doing.
thanks for the update SM
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Thanks for the update SM, as always.
Will there be any discussions with the potential candidates around Butler's role next year?
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Butlers current win ratio is 25%
You really need to speak to someone about this obsession with AB
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The last paragraph is an interesting one. I agree fully that you have to keep an open mind with these things. Russell Martin is a good example of that, hear him speak for 10 seconds and it’s obvious he’s got it. Couldn’t let a potential high class manager slip through the net because he doesn’t tick a certain box.
We talked quite a bit about that as I remembered the conversations we'd had at the time. I remember it specifically because I was in Russia for the World Cup when the interviews were being held and Gavin mentioned this Grant McCann character and how impressed the board were .I had no idea who he was apart from that brief spell at Peterborough. It was no surprise that the club then appointed him.
Agree about GM, always thought he has far more potential than DM to be a good manager in the long run.
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Butlers current win ratio is 25%
You really need to speak to someone about this obsession with AB
I wonder if Butler has voted Tory or something.
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Butlers current win ratio is 25%
You really need to speak to someone about this obsession with AB
Just quoting a fact after SM mentioned win ratio in his post
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Win ratios are hard to judge a managers quality on. You could have Pep as manager of Sheff Utd and Dickov as manager of Man City and you'd assume Dickov would end up with the better win percentage but we all know he wouldn't necessarily be the better manager.
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Bloody rubbish Cusack.
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Hopefully this is a New process for finding the right manager..... because the last 2 managers managed to wriggle away......
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Butlers current win ratio is 25%
You really need to speak to someone about this obsession with AB
Just quoting a fact after SM mentioned win ratio in his post
I was only pointing out how potential managers always turn up with highly professional CV's after I asked the question during our discussion. It intrigued me as to whether Managers sat there writing it out themselves and therefore providing a personnel view of their career or whether it was done for them. GB mentioned that they are always very professionally done and are quite detailed in content.
GB will then go behind the scenes to get a better understanding of how those stats are arrived at and can they be validated. He gave ma na example of a manager who had a very high win ration on his CV but once he spoke with the club owner it turned out that it was the efforts of the coach that had delivered those styats.
So, you pointing out AB's win ratio is meaningless. The club would, if he was an external candidate, look behind that figure and try to understand why. That is quite obvious when you look at the approach of certain players in our existing line up, and I'm sure the club will bear that in mind.
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Thanks for the update, any indication of the quality of applicants , obviously i don't expect any names.
Yet again we have attracted high calibre candidates, to be fair its not new its happened before, but they don't always sit well with us, and some have completely off the wall expectations. Having said that until its whittled down to the 5 or 6 for interview we won't really know who'll be next.
Off the wall in what respect?
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Thanks for the update, any indication of the quality of applicants , obviously i don't expect any names.
Yet again we have attracted high calibre candidates, to be fair its not new its happened before, but they don't always sit well with us, and some have completely off the wall expectations. Having said that until its whittled down to the 5 or 6 for interview we won't really know who'll be next.
Off the wall in what respect?
Like salary expectations for example.
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After the big let down of the last few months, this is welcome and actually quite exciting, but im also nervous about who the manager could be.
I see this as a new start, nearly a totally new team, and hopefully a new strategy in keeping DRFC competing.
We will come again next season, hopefully stronger!!! :rtid:
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All credit has to go to the club for the McCann appointment. I remember feeling distinctly underwhelmed as he emerged as the leading contender. But from his first press conference you could see exactly why he impressed the club so much during the recruitment process, and that passion and enthusiasm really transformed the club for a period. Still a great shame that he left at the first opportunity.
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All credit has to go to the club for the McCann appointment. I remember feeling distinctly underwhelmed as he emerged as the leading contender. But from his first press conference you could see exactly why he impressed the club so much during the recruitment process, and that passion and enthusiasm really transformed the club for a period. Still a great shame that he left at the first opportunity.
It’s called ambition, Ferguson &Moore felt the same . We can always find good managers we just keep them ... why is that ?!
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All credit has to go to the club for the McCann appointment. I remember feeling distinctly underwhelmed as he emerged as the leading contender. But from his first press conference you could see exactly why he impressed the club so much during the recruitment process, and that passion and enthusiasm really transformed the club for a period. Still a great shame that he left at the first opportunity.
It’s called ambition, Ferguson &Moore felt the same . We can always find good managers we just keep them ... why is that ?!
Because they're good managers with ambition...?
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:facepalm: :lol: :lol:
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All credit has to go to the club for the McCann appointment. I remember feeling distinctly underwhelmed as he emerged as the leading contender. But from his first press conference you could see exactly why he impressed the club so much during the recruitment process, and that passion and enthusiasm really transformed the club for a period. Still a great shame that he left at the first opportunity.
It’s called ambition, Ferguson &Moore felt the same . We can always find good managers we just keep them ... why is that ?!
Because our board give them such a good platform to look good on
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Thanks Martin awesome news
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The talk of retaining a manager is paramount & I wonder if somebody like a Martin O’Neill was to apply - I’d appoint him there and then, I know there’s a process we go through - but I did predict Moore the last time around - O’Neill is 69 years old and won’t be looking to move on elsewhere & then people will say he’s too old and passed it, well he’s still 3 years younger than Warnock.
Just a thought!
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I wonder if Danny Rose might have applied. Home town. Not got even Squad number at TH. Contract must be about up. Probably learned lots from some good managers. Maybe he fancies a "Coaches" job.
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Cheers SM in know data protection or something similar will stop any names coming out of those who have applied in the past.
However may be Good for fans moral to know some names.
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Interesting, thanks SM.
What I'd like to know is at what point does a applicant make there expectations known?
For example, Chris Wilder applies. Of course his CV would surely make him a stand out applicant but he'd almost certainly be out of our league financially.
Would somebody speak with him prior to a interview? Would he disclose his expectations with his CV and application? Or would we shortlist,interview and then rule him out from there?
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I wonder if Danny Rose might have applied. Home town. Not got even Squad number at TH. Contract must be about up. Probably learned lots from some good managers. Maybe he fancies a "Coaches" job.
I'd prefer it if we got his auntie Jan in to sort the KMS catering out.
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Interesting, thanks SM.
What I'd like to know is at what point does a applicant make there expectations known?
For example, Chris Wilder applies. Of course his CV would surely make him a stand out applicant but he'd almost certainly be out of our league financially.
Would somebody speak with him prior to a interview? Would he disclose his expectations with his CV and application? Or would we shortlist,interview and then rule him out from there?
Oh that would be done very early on, a long time before the interview process would begin. My understanding is that where it's happened before, and I must stress it's a very, very, rare instance, discussions about expectations would result in an amicable decision not to make a formal application.
It's only the same in other occupations though. I know that I've approached agencies or companies in the past to enquire about a vacancy and when learning of the financial package I've decided not to submit an application. It's no different in football.
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SM - thanks for the detailed easy to understand info :)
When I hear 120 have applied, is there any chance of giving us an example of the types applying? It must be very wide, nmaybe including a Viking Forum member or two?
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I wonder if Danny Rose might have applied. Home town. Not got even Squad number at TH. Contract must be about up. Probably learned lots from some good managers. Maybe he fancies a "Coaches" job.
He's only 30....... even if it isn't at Spurs, I can't imagine him hanging up his boots just yet.
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Hasn't he rocked up at Spurs and said he wants to be involved again now that Jose has gone?
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SM - thanks for the detailed easy to understand info :)
When I hear 120 have applied, is there any chance of giving us an example of the types applying? It must be very wide, nmaybe including a Viking Forum member or two?
My win % on Championship Manager was amazing. And this one year I got 35 goals out of Curtis Main...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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SM - thanks for the detailed easy to understand info :)
When I hear 120 have applied, is there any chance of giving us an example of the types applying? It must be very wide, nmaybe including a Viking Forum member or two?
My win % on Championship Manager was amazing. And this one year I got 35 goals out of Curtis Main...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks but no thanks, you're clearly overqualified for Rovers and will jump ship asap.
35 goals from Curtis Main...unbelievable!
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SM - thanks for the detailed easy to understand info :)
When I hear 120 have applied, is there any chance of giving us an example of the types applying? It must be very wide, nmaybe including a Viking Forum member or two?
My win % on Championship Manager was amazing. And this one year I got 35 goals out of Curtis Main...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Not played it for a while.
Does it now record goals in training too?
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Bring back Lewis Guy if training counts!
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SM - thanks for the detailed easy to understand info :)
When I hear 120 have applied, is there any chance of giving us an example of the types applying? It must be very wide, nmaybe including a Viking Forum member or two?
My win % on Championship Manager was amazing. And this one year I got 35 goals out of Curtis Main...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Get your application in at Tottenham Hotspur. With your ability to get Cutis Main to score 35 goals
( assuming that’s in a season and not a career ;) ) you must be the bookies favourite for the job.
Rovers job is a non starter as we couldn’t possibly afford you.
:) :) :)
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I wonder if Ryan Mason fancies it.
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Thanks Martin it’s going to be interesting how we go about keeping a manager going forward.
Is there a remit that the new person can bring in their own team or at least assistant
Some subtle changes to the contracts have been discussed, I can't go into detail on that score obviously, but it is something that the club will do if they can.
I think back room staff will be unique to each individual so I'm sure that will become part of the interview process.
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SM - thanks for the detailed easy to understand info :)
When I hear 120 have applied, is there any chance of giving us an example of the types applying? It must be very wide, nmaybe including a Viking Forum member or two?
My win % on Championship Manager was amazing. And this one year I got 35 goals out of Curtis Main...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks but no thanks, you're clearly overqualified for Rovers and will jump ship asap.
35 goals from Curtis Main...unbelievable!
Maybe he just needs the right manager.
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I wonder if Danny Rose might have applied. Home town. Not got even Squad number at TH. Contract must be about up. Probably learned lots from some good managers. Maybe he fancies a "Coaches" job.
the man hates the town. Its a no from me
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I wonder if Danny Rose might have applied. Home town. Not got even Squad number at TH. Contract must be about up. Probably learned lots from some good managers. Maybe he fancies a "Coaches" job.
surely he ant got the criteria
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Danny Rose? Just when you thought this forum couldn't get stupider.
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Stick around Padge. You may be surprised.
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Please tell us that the interviews are going to be done remotely, so that we can be spared the usual 'random name spotted in Bawtry' rubbish.
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Please tell us that the interviews are going to be done remotely, so that we can be spared the usual 'random name spotted in Bawtry' rubbish.
They always are, which makes me smile when I see that being posted!
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Please tell us that the interviews are going to be done remotely, so that we can be spared the usual 'random name spotted in Bawtry' rubbish.
They always are, which makes me smile when I see that being posted!
Always provides a bit of excitement, but you never know they might stay overnight if they're not local, or from this country. :-)
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KK spotted in the Turnpike.
But it was Kevin Kennedy, who’s only managerial experience was at Bettabuys.
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KK spotted in the Turnpike.
But it was Kevin Kennedy, who’s only managerial experience was at Bettabuys.
Watts he got to offer?
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Please tell us that the interviews are going to be done remotely, so that we can be spared the usual 'random name spotted in Bawtry' rubbish.
They always are, which makes me smile when I see that being posted!
Always provides a bit of excitement, but you never know they might stay overnight if they're not local, or from this country. :-)
I meant remotely as in 'over the internet'!
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19 years since we appointed a full time manager who was English. What chance that run being broken next month?
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I think it's quite fascinating, the approach we take over the interview process. I'd be surprised if many other clubs follow this particular process as football seems to be as far detached from reality as it could be. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea and some want to see us headhunting or just picking a 'name'. It's just a shame that recent managerial employees haven't reciprocated the same professionalism. Maybe this time, eh?
I think this process is another example of how well and professionally the club is run.
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19 years since we appointed a full time manager who was English. What chance that run being broken next month?
Our last manager was English
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He was an international footballer for Jamaica.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
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Gary Megson was spotted in Sainsbury’s in Bawtry yesterday afternoon
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Which till was he working at?
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Which till was he working at?
Bakery. Kept asking if anyone wanted a ginger biscuit.
:coat:
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
if your mum and dad, both born and bred in Doncaster, and as Yorkshire as they come, moved to China when your mum was 8 months pregnant. And stopped there for a few years after the birth, would you consider yourself Chinese?
Place of birth is just where your mother happens to be when she is ready to drop, aside from qualifying for a national side, doesn't actually mean much in relation to your true nationality or heritage.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
if your mum and dad, both born and bred in Doncaster, and as Yorkshire as they come, moved to China when your mum was 8 months pregnant. And stopped there for a few years after the birth, would you consider yourself Chinese?
Place of birth is just where your mother happens to be when she is ready to drop, aside from qualifying for a national side, doesn't actually mean much in relation to your true nationality or heritage.
...25 years since Rovers had a manager of Chinese descent.
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19 years since we appointed a full time manager who was English. What chance that run being broken next month?
Our last manager was English
I must admit I've been watching this one as well with vague amusement as to how long we've gone without an English manager since Dave Penney, its quite the run. Can we agree on 'declared nationality' for football purposes? I think Sean O'Driscoll is Black Country through and through but obviously he declared and played for ROI.
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Aren't we hoping for a German next?
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As long as we don’t mention the war I suppose.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
if your mum and dad, both born and bred in Doncaster, and as Yorkshire as they come, moved to China when your mum was 8 months pregnant. And stopped there for a few years after the birth, would you consider yourself Chinese?
Place of birth is just where your mother happens to be when she is ready to drop, aside from qualifying for a national side, doesn't actually mean much in relation to your true nationality or heritage.
You'd be English and Chinese.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhvAvytXUAI8Pp3.jpg)
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Is that our new manager
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I hear you are a racist now, Father.
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Aren't we hoping for a German next?
Absolutely and I’d be delighted
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I think it's quite fascinating, the approach we take over the interview process. I'd be surprised if many other clubs follow this particular process as football seems to be as far detached from reality as it could be. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea and some want to see us headhunting or just picking a 'name'. It's just a shame that recent managerial employees haven't reciprocated the same professionalism. Maybe this time, eh?
I think this process is another example of how well and professionally the club is run.
This^
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Aren't we hoping for a German next?
Absolutely and I’d be delighted
I'd be very happy with Stendel, but would he be one of those who is requesting too much. For example, can League One Doncaster Rovers offer a similar wage to a Championship Barnsley or SPFL Hearts? All bias aside, would you take a pay cut to manage Doncaster Rovers?
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I hear you are a racist now, Father.
on what did you make that presumption
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Aren't we hoping for a German next?
Absolutely and I’d be delighted
I'd be very happy with Stendel, but would he be one of those who is requesting too much. For example, can League One Doncaster Rovers offer a similar wage to a Championship Barnsley or SPFL Hearts? All bias aside, would you take a pay cut to manage Doncaster Rovers?
Better to have some money coming in, in a stable environment rather than nothing.
We have in recent years particularly given the manager a decent platform to work in, that being borne out by the last 2 managers being packed by clubs in a higher division, and also not having a reputation as a club for knee jerk sackings. That should count for something too.
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Aren't we hoping for a German next?
Absolutely and I’d be delighted
I'd be very happy with Stendel, but would he be one of those who is requesting too much. For example, can League One Doncaster Rovers offer a similar wage to a Championship Barnsley or SPFL Hearts? All bias aside, would you take a pay cut to manage Doncaster Rovers?
Why who is he managing now to need to take a pay cut?
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Just been reading that he applied for the Sunderland job last year so not beyond the realms of possibility that he might apply for Rovers
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We're run well, I imagine the manager will be paid more than the players. I don't think it's a position we would be tight with in the same way we are with players
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Plus with his last couple of roles surely stability with our owners would be great.
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We're run well, I imagine the manager will be paid more than the players. I don't think it's a position we would be tight with in the same way we are with players
You'd like to think not.
I'd be interested to know what the average wage is for like a league one manager? I've always had the idea that football managers aren't that well paid for some reason?
Obviously I'd imagine well paid in comparison to your average job, but not in the football world ?
100k a year?
200k a year?
500k a year?
Genuinely intrigued.
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At a guess, I reckon £50-100k for most in L1.
Plus the prospect of doubling that with various bonuses and promotion.
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200k at least
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I wonder if Danny Rose might have applied. Home town. Not got even Squad number at TH. Contract must be about up. Probably learned lots from some good managers. Maybe he fancies a "Coaches" job.
the man hates the town. Its a no from me
Anything to back this up with? Or is it just made up?
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I think Fergie was on about 150-180k.
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Aren't we hoping for a German next?
Absolutely and I’d be delighted
I'd be very happy with Stendel, but would he be one of those who is requesting too much. For example, can League One Doncaster Rovers offer a similar wage to a Championship Barnsley or SPFL Hearts? All bias aside, would you take a pay cut to manage Doncaster Rovers?
Better to have some money coming in, in a stable environment rather than nothing.
We have in recent years particularly given the manager a decent platform to work in, that being borne out by the last 2 managers being packed by clubs in a higher division, and also not having a reputation as a club for knee jerk sackings. That should count for something too.
I’m pretty sure Stendel played in the Bundersliga, he won’t be skint!
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I wonder if Danny Rose might have applied. Home town. Not got even Squad number at TH. Contract must be about up. Probably learned lots from some good managers. Maybe he fancies a "Coaches" job.
the man hates the town. Its a no from me
Anything to back this up with? Or is it just made up?
The bloke is a grade A tosspot and anybody who knows him will tell you that. Nice family though.
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200k at least
I remember it being quoted in the local papers that Cusack was paid £45k as player-manager in 1986. £20k as player and £25k as manager.
That wasn't a wildly outrageous wage at the time.
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It was for him though BST.
Some achievement taking us and Rotherham down
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Aren't we hoping for a German next?
Absolutely and I’d be delighted
I'd be very happy with Stendel, but would he be one of those who is requesting too much. For example, can League One Doncaster Rovers offer a similar wage to a Championship Barnsley or SPFL Hearts? All bias aside, would you take a pay cut to manage Doncaster Rovers?
We weren't in the championship when we hired Daniel , we were in league one .
We'd just taken an £8m hit with relegation from the championship without any players at that time who were attracting the attention of anybody above league one level to sell to other than Tom Bradshaw .
We got £1.2m for Bradshaw and replaced him with Cauley Woodrow for £1.1m .
I don't think Daniel is massively expensive in my opinion and Hearts played in the SPL which isn't exactly brimming with cash .
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
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It all gets very confusing these days I have a mate whose two lad are technically eligible to play for England, Scotland, Republic of Ireland or India, having grandparents from Ireland, Scotland, India and England.
They were born and brought up and educated in London, so really I think England is the one they should be eligible for.
they aren't good footballers though.
Edit: just to add to that, their Dad was born and bred in Donny would be very firm they play for England. Their Mum is from Glasgow and I guess might want them to play for Scotland.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Tony Cascarino famously has no right to play for them at all
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
'Brought up Jamaican' - is that as in 'devout Christian' - are they/we not Christian in Brimingham/UK any more? Who knew!
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
This is a daft argument. Horses and dogs are different species. Your niece could very easily be discribed as German, since the Angles and Saxons came from NW Germany. Nations are a human construct, lines on a map.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
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Does he have a UK passport?
That is the key question
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
His grandfather was Irish, however, he found out later on that he was adopted so that made it a bit more complicated. The initial call up was when he was under the impression that he qualified though.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
His grandfather was Irish, however, he found out later on that he was adopted so that made it a bit more complicated. The initial call up was when he was under the impression that he qualified though.
Nearly
It was his Mother that was adopted and therefore had no linage to the Irish connection
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
His grandfather was Irish, however, he found out later on that he was adopted so that made it a bit more complicated. The initial call up was when he was under the impression that he qualified though.
Nearly
It was his Mother that was adopted and therefore had no linage to the Irish connection
But he found out after so he believed he did qualify.
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Too late ND lol
Good to see Sadds back starting - with the last couple of sending offs I think everything is aligned against them though
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Having googled “Average League 1 manager salary” this is what came back.
Not sure how accurate it is but it looks about right to me.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
His grandfather was Irish, however, he found out later on that he was adopted so that made it a bit more complicated. The initial call up was when he was under the impression that he qualified though.
Nearly
It was his Mother that was adopted and therefore had no linage to the Irish connection
He did have an Irish Setter though. ;)
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Maybe he was good at Limericks.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
His grandfather was Irish, however, he found out later on that he was adopted so that made it a bit more complicated. The initial call up was when he was under the impression that he qualified though.
Nearly
It was his Mother that was adopted and therefore had no linage to the Irish connection
He did have an Irish Setter though. ;)
Was it called Maurice?
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Back on topic, Derek McInnes. I'm not saying I want him, it's just a gut feeling based on absolutely nothing.
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After what we've witnessed today we might be better with either Harry Potter , Dynamo or David Blaine
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I wonder if one of the requirements for the managers job is. "Must have masochistic tendencies," :woohoo:
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Can we bring the process forward after today’s showing
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I had a chat with Gavin this morning, and despite last nights performance, he did feel upbeat about our search for a new manager.
From that conversation I understood this;
At the end of play on Monday we'd had 120 applicants.
(and, tongue in cheek, nobody had pulled out because of last nights performance!)
The initial work was to whittle that down to about 80.
From there Gavin will need to provide a list of about 16 which will be discussed with the Chairman on Friday and that will then be presented to the board.
That process of elimination begins today and the idea is to get behind the statistics that prospective managers will have included in their CV. From our discussion it was clear that the CV's that applicants provide is they are all polished and professional and will include things like win ratios, possession percentages etc.
The way to get around that is to verify those claims and to get a better understanding of the individual, to carry out due diligence and to see the individual for what he is, style of play and philosophy for example. The way to do that is to speak to others, and that will include managers at the highest level (and I do mean highest level), players, colleagues, back room staff, club owners and even on occasions fans if we have connections with those.
That list of 16 is then graded using the criteria that the club drew up, and each candidate will be scored. The idea is then to present to the board a list of 5 or 6 who will be asked to attend for interview.
There's also the need to make allowances for a 'left field' candidate, one who might not have all the documented data and years of experience but yet has that certain something that makes them stand out from the crowd, a Grant McCann type of candidate for instance!
I hope that's of interest.
I’d love to know what qualifys Gavin to make such decision. What does he know about football management?
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I had a chat with Gavin this morning, and despite last nights performance, he did feel upbeat about our search for a new manager.
From that conversation I understood this;
At the end of play on Monday we'd had 120 applicants.
(and, tongue in cheek, nobody had pulled out because of last nights performance!)
The initial work was to whittle that down to about 80.
From there Gavin will need to provide a list of about 16 which will be discussed with the Chairman on Friday and that will then be presented to the board.
That process of elimination begins today and the idea is to get behind the statistics that prospective managers will have included in their CV. From our discussion it was clear that the CV's that applicants provide is they are all polished and professional and will include things like win ratios, possession percentages etc.
The way to get around that is to verify those claims and to get a better understanding of the individual, to carry out due diligence and to see the individual for what he is, style of play and philosophy for example. The way to do that is to speak to others, and that will include managers at the highest level (and I do mean highest level), players, colleagues, back room staff, club owners and even on occasions fans if we have connections with those.
That list of 16 is then graded using the criteria that the club drew up, and each candidate will be scored. The idea is then to present to the board a list of 5 or 6 who will be asked to attend for interview.
There's also the need to make allowances for a 'left field' candidate, one who might not have all the documented data and years of experience but yet has that certain something that makes them stand out from the crowd, a Grant McCann type of candidate for instance!
I hope that's of interest.
I’d love to know what qualifys Gavin to make such decision. What does he know about football management?
What to most business men who become CEO's of football clubs know? He's got a pretty decent record so far.
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I wouldn't mind the Rotherham manager if their Chairman decided a change was needed at the end of the season.
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I had a chat with Gavin this morning, and despite last nights performance, he did feel upbeat about our search for a new manager.
From that conversation I understood this;
At the end of play on Monday we'd had 120 applicants.
(and, tongue in cheek, nobody had pulled out because of last nights performance!)
The initial work was to whittle that down to about 80.
From there Gavin will need to provide a list of about 16 which will be discussed with the Chairman on Friday and that will then be presented to the board.
That process of elimination begins today and the idea is to get behind the statistics that prospective managers will have included in their CV. From our discussion it was clear that the CV's that applicants provide is they are all polished and professional and will include things like win ratios, possession percentages etc.
The way to get around that is to verify those claims and to get a better understanding of the individual, to carry out due diligence and to see the individual for what he is, style of play and philosophy for example. The way to do that is to speak to others, and that will include managers at the highest level (and I do mean highest level), players, colleagues, back room staff, club owners and even on occasions fans if we have connections with those.
That list of 16 is then graded using the criteria that the club drew up, and each candidate will be scored. The idea is then to present to the board a list of 5 or 6 who will be asked to attend for interview.
There's also the need to make allowances for a 'left field' candidate, one who might not have all the documented data and years of experience but yet has that certain something that makes them stand out from the crowd, a Grant McCann type of candidate for instance!
I hope that's of interest.
I’d love to know what qualifys Gavin to make such decision. What does he know about football management?
Being the CEO of a football club probably makes him reasonably placed to make such decisions...
I think if you read the above, it’s pretty clear there’s a due diligence and consultation process. Gavin isn’t making the decisions on a whim, nor should anyone regardless of their supposed footballing background / knowledge.
What does anyone really know about football management? We all talk like we’re experts on here, don’t we. We could put a former manager in charge of the process and he’d still stand there for criticism if he made the wrong choice. Which is why there’s a process.
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It does sound like Gavin is making a decision using a lot of decent information. There's people on here thinking they'd make a better decision talking out their arses.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
His grandfather was Irish, however, he found out later on that he was adopted so that made it a bit more complicated. The initial call up was when he was under the impression that he qualified though.
Nearly
It was his Mother that was adopted and therefore had no linage to the Irish connection
He did have an Irish Setter though. ;)
Was it called Maurice?
Did he speak of the pompatus of love
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
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Also I’m not being funny but how many “5 year plans” has he now failed to deliver as a Chief executive? Times up.
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
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Also I’m not being funny but how many “5 year plans” has he now failed to deliver as a Chief executive? Times up.
The club isn't run off outputs from an internet forum. No matter how many times you post it, he's unlikely to be sacked.
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
That wasn't using the recruitment process...
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
That wasn't using the recruitment process...
No process at all then what happened did he just walk into the managers office sit down and say it’s mine now?
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I wouldn't mind the Rotherham manager if their Chairman decided a change was needed at the end of the season.
We're already past the deadline for applications.
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Gavin Baldwin.....
Why on earth people think he’s great is a joke... attendances have nearly halved whilst he’s been here. We’re in league 1 still, so not progressed one bit, no progression with the youth team whatsoever, managers and decent players leave at the drop of a hat.... that’s fact...
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Gavin Baldwin.....
Why on earth people think he’s great is a joke... attendances have nearly halved whilst he’s been here. We’re in league 1 still, so not progressed one bit, no progression with the youth team whatsoever, managers and decent players leave at the drop of a hat.... that’s fact...
Thanks. I think you've touched on this before.
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As long as he knows if they appoint Butler we won't sell 2000 season tickets and have sod all budget then he'll do for me.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
Some players played for the RI that didn't qualify through family as well, Cascarino comes to mind!
His grandfather was Irish, however, he found out later on that he was adopted so that made it a bit more complicated. The initial call up was when he was under the impression that he qualified though.
Nearly
It was his Mother that was adopted and therefore had no linage to the Irish connection
He did have an Irish Setter though. ;)
Was it called Maurice?
Did he speak of the pompatus of love
He’ll be right here, right here, right here, right here at home.
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Gavin Baldwin.....
Why on earth people think he’s great is a joke... attendances have nearly halved whilst he’s been here. We’re in league 1 still, so not progressed one bit, no progression with the youth team whatsoever, managers and decent players leave at the drop of a hat.... that’s fact...
Our ave attendance in 2019/20 up to the curtailment of the season was 8,000
Please can you tell me when we have had ave attendances of nearly 16,000.
Think Mr Gibson you need to do your homework. The last time we had an ave attendance of nearly 16,000 was back in the 1950’s I don’t think Gavin Baldwin was even a twinkle in his parents eye in the 1950’s let alone Chief Executive of DRFC.
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Think Michael has a personal grudge against Gavin. Unfortunately there is only one of them who speaks sense and he is employed by Rovers
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Michael why should we blame Gavin Baldwin?
Let’s look at the cleaners, the tannoy announcer, the ticket office staff... PLEASE think your comments through.
I’ve met GB on numerous occasions, both casually and in meetings. He’s been the “ best signing” my club has made in years. To use someone else’s quote. I may not agree with every thing he and the board have ever done but, that’s life. The owners & GB are going nowhere ( and rightly so). What should we talk about now ? RTID.
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Yeah but born and bred in England. For me that makes him English.
IF a dog has it pups in a stable does that make it a horse? Morre is Jamaican and will of been brought up that way. My niece was born in Germany, she not German.
I think there’s a bit of a difference - Moore was born in Birmingham and was brought up and educated there. I don’t know about how he qualified for playing for Jamaica but it could just be via a grandparent. There are English players representing countries all around the world who are on no more than nodding terms with that country and in some instances have never even visited that country.
just look at Jack Charlton when he managed the republic of Ireland , some of the players did not know they qualified to play for them
That was when they used to say that FAI (FA of Ireland) stood for "Find An Irishman".
As for Moore, of course he's English. Born of people who had made England their home, then raised, educated and lived all his life in England. It's ridiculous to claim he's anything other than English.
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Gavin Baldwin.....
Why on earth people think he’s great is a joke... attendances have nearly halved whilst he’s been here. We’re in league 1 still, so not progressed one bit, no progression with the youth team whatsoever, managers and decent players leave at the drop of a hat.... that’s fact...
Gavin Baldwin.....
Why on earth people think he’s great is a joke... attendances have nearly halved whilst he’s been here. We’re in league 1 still, so not progressed one bit, no progression with the youth team whatsoever, managers and decent players leave at the drop of a hat.... that’s fact...
Micheal You are ‘Lobby Hood’ I claim my prize!!!
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Some people don’t live in the economic reality do they?
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Also I’m not being funny but how many “5 year plans” has he now failed to deliver as a Chief executive? Times up.
“Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans”
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
The process has found some half decent managers. It isn't the fault of the process that those individuals have walked out on the club leaving it up shitcreak.
It's pretty obvious now that holding on to managers is a big problem Rovers face now. A Director of Football is a decent suggestion and it is something the club is considering now, according to SM.
But the reality is talented players and managers are always going to be in demand and whilst ever Rovers unearth them, they are going to struggle to hang on to them for long.
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If we, a League 1 club who will only be able to attract League 1 players rather than world class stars, decide to appoint a Director of Football and a Head Coach - which one of these decides which players we are to sign and what tacital formation we will play?
If this is not to be the Director of Football - then what will they be doing all week?
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
Go on, then, tell us what you want - the board to appoint another talented manager who will attract attention from other clubs, or a mediocre one who won't?
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If we, a League 1 club who will only be able to attract League 1 players rather than world class stars, decide to appoint a Director of Football and a Head Coach - which one of these decides which players we are to sign and what tacital formation we will play?
If this is not to be the Director of Football - then what will they be doing all week?
A Director of football would decide on a style of football and would be responsible for identifying players to suit that objective. The director of football would have input on how players are trained right across the club. Youth teams and all.
Of course whilst a coach is in position, I'd expect it to be a collaborative process.
The team coach would be responsible for the day to day running of things, training, selecting a team on the match days, formations. All the detail.
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When is the date the manager will be announced set at currently?
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When is the date the manager will be announced set at currently?
July before the start of preseason training
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When is the date the manager will be announced set at currently?
I think SM said 11th May earlier in the thread.
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When is the date the manager will be announced set at currently?
July before the start of preseason training
Yeah cos we start preseason training in May. :woot: :silly:
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To protect yourselves against your managers getting head hunted by bigger clubs in the future I wonder if it would be worth inserting a financial release clause when you hire your next manager .
For instance when New York RB took our HC Gerhard Struber off us at the beginning of the season it cost them $2m .
Ok you still lose your HC but at least you are well compensated to attract a decent replacement .
Maybe this is something Rovers do , I don't know .
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Neil Harris' Barmy Army.
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Neil Harris' Barmy Army.
Eww.
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If we, a League 1 club who will only be able to attract League 1 players rather than world class stars, decide to appoint a Director of Football and a Head Coach - which one of these decides which players we are to sign and what tacital formation we will play?
If this is not to be the Director of Football - then what will they be doing all week?
A Director of football would decide on a style of football and would be responsible for identifying players to suit that objective. The director of football would have input on how players are trained right across the club. Youth teams and all.
Of course whilst a coach is in position, I'd expect it to be a collaborative process.
The team coach would be responsible for the day to day running of things, training, selecting a team on the match days, formations. All the detail.
So the head coach would be responsible for players he had no input into choosing?
And the director of football would have nothing to do once the transfer window has closed. How much would he be on exactly?
Sorry its not a model for League 1 clubs.
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If we, a League 1 club who will only be able to attract League 1 players rather than world class stars, decide to appoint a Director of Football and a Head Coach - which one of these decides which players we are to sign and what tacital formation we will play?
If this is not to be the Director of Football - then what will they be doing all week?
A Director of football would decide on a style of football and would be responsible for identifying players to suit that objective. The director of football would have input on how players are trained right across the club. Youth teams and all.
Of course whilst a coach is in position, I'd expect it to be a collaborative process.
The team coach would be responsible for the day to day running of things, training, selecting a team on the match days, formations. All the detail.
So the head coach would be responsible for players he had no input into choosing?
And the director of football would have nothing to do once the transfer window has closed. How much would he be on exactly?
Sorry its not a model for League 1 clubs.
Not disagreeing with you generally but maybe the DoF could negotiate contract extensions in good time before they run so low, that would keep them busy outside transfer windows? Although we could have done that if not for Moore apparently. Importantly i don't think the club should be run by individual whims which is what it sounds like with Moores decisions
Personally i think we're too small to have the DoF route in league 1. But it has some merit in that should a head coach leave the wheels don't fall off the whole clubs as it has here. Worry is that if your DoF is useless and keeps signing rubbish the manager tends to get sacked
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If we, a League 1 club who will only be able to attract League 1 players rather than world class stars, decide to appoint a Director of Football and a Head Coach - which one of these decides which players we are to sign and what tacital formation we will play?
If this is not to be the Director of Football - then what will they be doing all week?
A Director of football would decide on a style of football and would be responsible for identifying players to suit that objective. The director of football would have input on how players are trained right across the club. Youth teams and all.
Of course whilst a coach is in position, I'd expect it to be a collaborative process.
The team coach would be responsible for the day to day running of things, training, selecting a team on the match days, formations. All the detail.
So the head coach would be responsible for players he had no input into choosing?
And the director of football would have nothing to do once the transfer window has closed. How much would he be on exactly?
Sorry its not a model for League 1 clubs.
I wouldn't say the head coach would have no input but in the end the DoF is the architect and the head coach chief engineer.
It maybe too much of an extravagance for a L1 club, after all we wouldn't get away with paying a head coach less than a manager. but if the manager is going to be leaving every season it does give continuity and it might mean a situation like we have now would not arise. You'd expect a DoF to have potential coaches lined up for interview straight away.
And what else could they do to try and ensure a potential promotion season doesn't come off the rails because a bigger club takes the manager halfway through the season?
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Gavin Baldwin.....
Why on earth people think he’s great is a joke... attendances have nearly halved whilst he’s been here. We’re in league 1 still, so not progressed one bit, no progression with the youth team whatsoever, managers and decent players leave at the drop of a hat.... that’s fact...
Last season average League 1 att.: 8297
Year in Champ before Gavin (2010): 10258
Gavin's first season in Champ (2011): 9341
The rest of your thinking is equally b*llocks. Try doing some maths, then do us a favour and stick the pencil in your eye.
You are hands down the greatest slimey f**kwit on here.
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If we, a League 1 club who will only be able to attract League 1 players rather than world class stars, decide to appoint a Director of Football and a Head Coach - which one of these decides which players we are to sign and what tacital formation we will play?
If this is not to be the Director of Football - then what will they be doing all week?
A Director of football would decide on a style of football and would be responsible for identifying players to suit that objective. The director of football would have input on how players are trained right across the club. Youth teams and all.
Of course whilst a coach is in position, I'd expect it to be a collaborative process.
The team coach would be responsible for the day to day running of things, training, selecting a team on the match days, formations. All the detail.
So the head coach would be responsible for players he had no input into choosing?
And the director of football would have nothing to do once the transfer window has closed. How much would he be on exactly?
Sorry its not a model for League 1 clubs.
I wouldn't say the head coach would have no input but in the end the DoF is the architect and the head coach chief engineer.
It maybe too much of an extravagance for a L1 club, after all we wouldn't get away with paying a head coach less than a manager. but if the manager is going to be leaving every season it does give continuity and it might mean a situation like we have now would not arise. You'd expect a DoF to have potential coaches lined up for interview straight away.
And what else could they do to try and ensure a potential promotion season doesn't come off the rails because a bigger club takes the manager halfway through the season?
Yes but if it is the DoF who is making most of the decisions - he will be getting most of the credit. So what is to stop him leaving?
And that is where this will always fall down for a League 1 club. Whoever does well here will get noticed by someone higher up the pyramid - and leave. We have to accept that I am afraid...
...and have a better process to replace them!!!
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You find a DoF who is an older man, not wanting the day to day work of management.
I wonder how many L1/Championship clubs would be actively looking for a DoF? Most don't use this system.
No solution is ideal I grant you.
How do they improve the current system? New managers tend to arrive with their own staff, want to change things, want new players and require time to make it all work.
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We've lost about 2000 fans. Not half though!
Second time in the championship we had another 1000 available seats in the away end which puts that figure up.
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
Go on, then, tell us what you want - the board to appoint another talented manager who will attract attention from other clubs, or a mediocre one who won't?
Just show some bottle and do more to keep hold of one
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
Go on, then, tell us what you want - the board to appoint another talented manager who will attract attention from other clubs, or a mediocre one who won't?
Just show some bottle and do more to keep hold of one
Of course. Why didn’t the board think of that? It seems so easy...
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
Go on, then, tell us what you want - the board to appoint another talented manager who will attract attention from other clubs, or a mediocre one who won't?
Just show some bottle and do more to keep hold of one
Is that it? Your pearl of wisdom is to show some bottle!!
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
Go on, then, tell us what you want - the board to appoint another talented manager who will attract attention from other clubs, or a mediocre one who won't?
Just show some bottle and do more to keep hold of one
Is that it? Your pearl of wisdom is to show some bottle!!
Yes that’s it!
What other suggestions is there to this? Keep letting managers leave without a fight or attempt? Back to square one year on year? It’s not working is it... questions need to be asked of the board rather then just hanging on their every word.
It’s not good enough and you don’t see such turnover of managers at any other club. And I can assure you this forum is not a true cross section of the fans opinion.
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
Go on, then, tell us what you want - the board to appoint another talented manager who will attract attention from other clubs, or a mediocre one who won't?
Just show some bottle and do more to keep hold of one
Is that it? Your pearl of wisdom is to show some bottle!!
Yes that’s it!
What other suggestions is there to this? Keep letting managers leave without a fight or attempt? Back to square one year on year? It’s not working is it... questions need to be asked of the board rather then just hanging on their every word.
It’s not good enough and you don’t see such turnover of managers at any other club. And I can assure you this forum is not a true cross section of the fans opinion.
Because everyone knows an employee who doesn't really want to be at his job is super productive and effective in the workplace and never causes any issues.
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A pretty poor process that’s got us in the state we are currently!
It’s so obvious that we need a director of football, someone that will stick around! There’s no consistency at all. Change of manager and squad overhaul year on year. It’s tedious!
You can't blame the recruitment process for hiring managers who are headhunted by higher up clubs.
Can’t see butler being head hunted can you?
Go on, then, tell us what you want - the board to appoint another talented manager who will attract attention from other clubs, or a mediocre one who won't?
Just show some bottle and do more to keep hold of one
Is that it? Your pearl of wisdom is to show some bottle!!
Yes that’s it!
What other suggestions is there to this? Keep letting managers leave without a fight or attempt? Back to square one year on year? It’s not working is it... questions need to be asked of the board rather then just hanging on their every word.
It’s not good enough and you don’t see such turnover of managers at any other club. And I can assure you this forum is not a true cross section of the fans opinion.
At other clubs? Wednesdays have just had 4 in one season.
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Totally agree Janso
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
Chris Coleman?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
Chris Coleman?
Coleman has popped up on the bookies radar, so perhaps it's him.
I can't help but think he's a fella looking for a stepping stone back to a higher level.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
Chris Powell maybe. He’s been a coach under Southgate for England recently
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Coleman would get a better job than this if he wanted one surely.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
Chris Coleman?
Aidy Boothroyd ?
On 16 April 2021, Boothroyd announced he would leave his role with The FA to focus on a return to club football.[31]
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
Chris Coleman?
Aidy Boothroyd ?
On 16 April 2021, Boothroyd announced he would leave his role with The FA to focus on a return to club football.[31]
I’d rather have Betty.
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Do Kettlewell’s run coach trips to France? Len?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
Chris Coleman?
Aidy Boothroyd ?
On 16 April 2021, Boothroyd announced he would leave his role with The FA to focus on a return to club football.[31]
Graeme Jones?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-the-recruitment-of-the-next-manager-of-doncaster-rovers-plus-contract-talks-update-3213482
Someone with International coaching on their CV? Gary Johnson?
Chris Coleman?
Aidy Boothroyd ?
On 16 April 2021, Boothroyd announced he would leave his role with The FA to focus on a return to club football.[31]
That's the name I immediately thought of and it sent a shudder down my spine!
However his recent international experience would appeal with working with and having access to young talent.
As said though could easily be Coleman or Jones....or O'Driscoll ??
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Graeme Jones was my first thought as well. While I know the reports are deliberately vague at this point it did say international coaching, not management.
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Hopefully that rules out Phil Neville then!
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God help us if it is GJ or ABoothroyd
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Gary Johnson would be decent in my opinion. International experience could be so many, Peter Reid, Stuart Pearce, Peter Taylor to name a few.
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered and is awaiting an answer from a previously linked coach before Moore. Apparently Des Buckingham who was spoken with previously is the person offered the role and fits the description.
Quick google search shows a recent article from Sky Sport - https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12232440/des-buckingham-interview-new-zealand-u20-world-cup-success-and-olympic-hopes-to-city-football-group
Article linking him to the club last time around - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7192797/Young-English-coach-Des-Buckingham-demand-New-Zealand-20s-success.html
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered and is awaiting an answer from a previously linked coach before Moore. Apparently Des Buckingham who was spoken with previously is the person offered the role and fits the description.
Quick google search shows a recent article from Sky Sport - https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12232440/des-buckingham-interview-new-zealand-u20-world-cup-success-and-olympic-hopes-to-city-football-group
Article linking him to the club last time around - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7192797/Young-English-coach-Des-Buckingham-demand-New-Zealand-20s-success.html
Thanks Des.
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered and is awaiting an answer from a previously linked coach before Moore. Apparently Des Buckingham who was spoken with previously is the person offered the role and fits the description.
Quick google search shows a recent article from Sky Sport - https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12232440/des-buckingham-interview-new-zealand-u20-world-cup-success-and-olympic-hopes-to-city-football-group
Article linking him to the club last time around - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7192797/Young-English-coach-Des-Buckingham-demand-New-Zealand-20s-success.html
I saw his name last night & would be happy with him.
Not to doubt your sources, Carl, but I'm pretty sure the club is still whittling down the numbers to interview etc.
Have to wait & see!
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Would be a complete gamble if they went for him.
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He might have got an interview but he won't have been offered anything yet.
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You’d think he’d be the next Crystal Palace boss....
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Would be a complete gamble if they went for him.
To be fair, whoever we appoint will be a gamble.
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered
Bullshit. The club wouldn't draw up a shortlist and interview people if the job has already been offered elsewhere.
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered
Bullshit. The club wouldn't draw up a shortlist and interview people if the job has already been offered elsewhere.
They went through the process before when they knew Moore would get it all along.
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered
Bullshit. The club wouldn't draw up a shortlist and interview people if the job has already been offered elsewhere.
They went through the process before when they knew Moore would get it all along.
I don’t get it why some posters have to show aggression Gaz.
The lad might well have some info from what he believes to be a good source and is just sharing it.
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered
Bullshit. The club wouldn't draw up a shortlist and interview people if the job has already been offered elsewhere.
They went through the process before when they knew Moore would get it all along.
I don’t get it why some posters have to show aggression Gaz.
The lad might well have some info from what he believes to be a good source and is just sharing it.
And I'm sharing my opinion of his "source's" information. Not my opinion of a one-post member.
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This would be a very boring site if posters didn’t occasionally come up with snippets of gossip.
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You’d think he’d be the next Crystal Palace boss....
Very good , I see what you did there :rolleyes:
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Ryan Giggs
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Ryan Giggs
Get ready for someone to say that is bullshit mate.
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I have it on good authority that the job has been offered
Bullshit. The club wouldn't draw up a shortlist and interview people if the job has already been offered elsewhere.
They went through the process before when they knew Moore would get it all along.
I don’t get it why some posters have to show aggression Gaz.
The lad might well have some info from what he believes to be a good source and is just sharing it.
And I'm sharing my opinion of his "source's" information. Not my opinion of a one-post member.
Strange then that you qualified your “bullshit” comment with an opinion of what the club wouldn’t do.
Either way it was still an aggressive response.
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I doubt very much that the job has been offered yet. But, whilst I appreciate it’s something of a wildcard name, if the process determined that he was the most appealing candidate then I’d be delighted with this appointment. Sometimes you have to take a bit of a punt, and he’s certainly shown a willing to work and gain experience.
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You’d think he’d be the next Crystal Palace boss....
Very good , I see what you did there :rolleyes:
I’m surprised that the Glasers didn’t buy them.
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Anybody got a link to the bookies odds?
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Anybody got a link to the bookies odds?
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623 (https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623)
A few bits of movement.
Paul Heckingbottom
10/11
Richie Wellens
3/1
George Boateng
8/1
Phil Parkinson
10/1
Danny Wilson
12/1
Micky Mellon
12/1
Chris Coleman
16/1
Chris Powell
16/1
James Coppinger
16/1
Uwe Rosler
16/1
Aidy Boothroyd
20/1
Alex Neil
20/1
Derek McInnes
20/1
Des Buckingham
20/1
Nicky Butt
20/1
Andy Butler
25/1
Daniel Stendel
25/1
Keith Curle
25/1
Paul Tisdale
25/1
Bernard Morley & Anthony Johnson
33/1
Curtis Woodhouse
33/1
Neil Harris
33/1
Neil Lennon
33/1
Roy Keane
33/1
Sean O'Driscoll
33/1
Frank Lampard
40/1
Garry Monk
40/1
Ian Holloway
40/1
John Terry
40/1
Mike Newell
40/1
Phil Brown
40/1
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The bookies odds don't look very thrilling. I'd be happy to see Wellens get the role, but as for the rest of the top names...
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Who are Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson?
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On wiki - Buckingham is a qualified pilot, and holds a Master's degree in advanced performance football coaching through the University of South Wales.
Not a fool and we are sorted for shorter jouneys on away trips.
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On wiki - Buckingham is a qualified pilot, and holds a Master's degree in advanced performance football coaching through the University of South Wales.
Not a fool and we are sorted for shorter jouneys on away trips.
I should probably add I've just got Des added by SkyBet on Twitter.
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Who are Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson?
Joint managers at Chester.
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Who are Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson?
Joint managers at Chester.
Thanks, I feel out of touch!
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Who are Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson?
Joint managers at Chester.
Thanks, I feel out of touch!
Only know of them as Johnston is a regular on Twitter. Always popping up & I don't even follow the bloke!
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Who are Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson?
Did you not watch Class of 92 about Salford City then? Highly recommend it, thought it was brilliant.
Came across as a pair of tools these two mind.
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I would be excited with Buckingham.
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Who are Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson?
Did you not watch Class of 92 about Salford City then? Highly recommend it, thought it was brilliant.
Came across as a pair of tools these two mind.
It’s about Manchester United isn’t it? Certainly not!
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Who are Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson?
Did you not watch Class of 92 about Salford City then? Highly recommend it, thought it was brilliant.
Came across as a pair of tools these two mind.
It’s about Manchester United isn’t it? Certainly not!
It got a lot of views in Tunbridge Wells though!
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I hear you are a racist now, Father.
on what did you make that presumption
It's a line from Father Ted, Dave.
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I would be excited with Buckingham.
Fleetwood Mac were crazy to let him go
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I would be excited with Buckingham.
How come?
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Not sure what’s driving it but Danny Wilson has been cut to 7/1 third favourite...
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He's done nothing since "Mary's Prayer" though.
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Not sure what’s driving it but Danny Wilson has been cut to 7/1 third favourite...
Might have an interview and friends putting money on.
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Not sure what’s driving it but Danny Wilson has been cut to 7/1 third favourite...
Surely not!
Anyone have a link to the latest odds? I can’t seem to find an up to date site via google and don’t have any of the apps. Would like to keep it running in the background to refresh.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Thank you, appreciated.
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No interviews have been held as yet. Hoping to give an update tomorrow.
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Would be a complete gamble if they went for him.
To be fair, whoever we appoint will be a gamble.
I don't think I'd call it a complete gamble. A gamble, yes but not a bad punt.
I think it would make for an exciting prospect.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
For me that just shows no one has the foggiest idea.
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No further info then?
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Danny Wilson the one to shorted a little bit in the last couple of days. In to 5/2 now.
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No interviews have been held as yet. Hoping to give an update tomorrow.
Anything further to add SM?
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We can do better than Wilson, surely? He a pretty unremarkable manager.
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No interviews have been held as yet. Hoping to give an update tomorrow.
Anything further to add SM?
I'll be typing something up later.
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Danny Wilson now 5/4 joint favourite
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Rosler is the best out of those I'd say which probably makes him the least likely.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-compile-a-shortlist-of-eight-to-interview-for-manager-role-3217144
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-compile-a-shortlist-of-eight-to-interview-for-manager-role-3217144
About the most reliable info we've had. Butler, one other ex/player, 4 current coaches. If Wilson is on that list he must be one of the remaining two.
The 4 current coaches bit interests me the most, and probably the board. I imagine they want someone very close to having a scout-like knowledge of current players in the FL and/or links to existing clubs that can be exploited through loans etc.
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Question for Martin. The DFP article states that AB will be interviewed as part of club policy. Does this mean he's part of the 8, or in addition to the 8?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-compile-a-shortlist-of-eight-to-interview-for-manager-role-3217144
Just reading that, it's clear Andy is still expressing himself as a footballer, talking about giving a good account of himself, not letting his standards drop and taking pride in the performance. He's not giving much of an insight into the team, why things aren't working, where they are and what he hopes to do to improve matters.
I don't think he's ready for this management game yet.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-compile-a-shortlist-of-eight-to-interview-for-manager-role-3217144
Just reading that, it's clear Andy is still expressing himself as a footballer, talking about giving a good account of himself, not letting his standards drop and taking pride in the performance. He's not giving much of an insight into the team, why things aren't working, where they are and what he hopes to do to improve matters.
I don't think he's ready for this management game yet.
I thought that. But i think it's also a hint that the players have downed tools a bit i.e. i've done what i can with this lot.
Agree hard to make a case for him been ready. A few years coaching learning from another manager and he'll be ready, hopefully
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-compile-a-shortlist-of-eight-to-interview-for-manager-role-3217144
About the most reliable info we've had. Butler, one other ex/player, 4 current coaches. If Wilson is on that list he must be one of the remaining two.
The 4 current coaches bit interests me the most, and probably the board. I imagine they want someone very close to having a scout-like knowledge of current players in the FL and/or links to existing clubs that can be exploited through loans etc.
Where in the DFP article does it say there is one other ex player?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-compile-a-shortlist-of-eight-to-interview-for-manager-role-3217144
About the most reliable info we've had. Butler, one other ex/player, 4 current coaches. If Wilson is on that list he must be one of the remaining two.
The 4 current coaches bit interests me the most, and probably the board. I imagine they want someone very close to having a scout-like knowledge of current players in the FL and/or links to existing clubs that can be exploited through loans etc.
Where in the DFP article does it say there is one other ex player?
Well, I presume they are all technically ex-players, as its very rare they are not, but there is a quote about 'taking first steps into management', I took that to mean someone currently or who recently played.
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If the average age is 43, then Wilson is either not one of the 8 or we are also interviewing someone much younger than mid-40s too. Who knows, we may never discover who the 8 are once the one winner has emerged.
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Question for Martin. The DFP article states that AB will be interviewed as part of club policy. Does this mean he's part of the 8, or in addition to the 8?
Yes, that's correct.
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Question for Martin. The DFP article states that AB will be interviewed as part of club policy. Does this mean he's part of the 8, or in addition to the 8?
Yes, that's correct.
That Rob is like something a politician might say.
It doesn’t give a clear response to either of the questions in that previous post.
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Question for Martin. The DFP article states that AB will be interviewed as part of club policy. Does this mean he's part of the 8, or in addition to the 8?
Yes, that's correct.
*multiple choice question*
"Yes"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Maybe Dino Maamria could be a candidate.
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Maybe Dino Maamria could be a candidate.
I thought that. Appears to be a good number two to JFH.
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Winning "silverware" can surely only mean one thing for a manager in our range. They've won the Papa John's Trophy.
Wellens, Heckingbottom, Jackett and Danny Wilson have all won it.
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Question for Martin. The DFP article states that AB will be interviewed as part of club policy. Does this mean he's part of the 8, or in addition to the 8?
Yes, that's correct.
That Rob is like something a politician might say.
It doesn’t give a clear response to either of the questions in that previous post.
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Question for Martin. The DFP article states that AB will be interviewed as part of club policy. Does this mean he's part of the 8, or in addition to the 8?
Yes, that's correct.
That Rob is like something a politician might say.
It doesn’t give a clear response to either of the questions in that previous post.
Nick, do you think I didn’t know that.
Don’t be so serious.
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One Ritchie Wellens
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Winning "silverware" can surely only mean one thing for a manager in our range. They've won the Papa John's Trophy.
Wellens, Heckingbottom, Jackett and Danny Wilson have all won it.
or it’s because they’ve won a league title
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Wellens in to 2/1. Does this indicate an interview maybe? SM has previously said he won’t get the job though.
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When was the last time Danny Wilson managed a club in the efl
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When was the last time Danny Wilson managed a club in the efl
1977
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Can see wellens getting the job now plus he as just signed up for the charity football match , a sign that he is a community man with the board could be a shrude move there by richy
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Wellens in to 2/1. Does this indicate an interview maybe? SM has previously said he won’t get the job though.
I'm sure Hoden did a post a few weeks back saying he could see Wellens getting the job.
I wasn't keen on Wellens but after seeing some of the other names banded about he may actually be one of the better options.
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Wellens , Wilson , heckingbottom , Buckingham and butler are my bet for the interview stage and one more out the blue
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anton123 .
There will be 3 interviews today and 5 next mon / tue ( sure thats what i read somewhere) so thats 8 not as you suggest 6.
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Wellens in to 2/1. Does this indicate an interview maybe? SM has previously said he won’t get the job though.
I'm sure Hoden did a post a few weeks back saying he could see Wellens getting the job.
I wasn't keen on Wellens but after seeing some of the other names banded about he may actually be one of the better options.
He was the very obvious candidate. Potential clash of personalities was hinted at though.
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Wellens in to 2/1. Does this indicate an interview maybe? SM has previously said he won’t get the job though.
As I recall, when questioned on this, SM qualified his remark saying it was his personal opinion, although his initial remark did appear to be based on inside knowledge.
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anton123 .
There will be 3 interviews today and 5 next mon / tue ( sure thats what i read somewhere) so thats 8 not as you suggest 6.
Poss Nicky butt and one more then but like I say it’s only my opinion
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Jose Mourinho has just been seen in a zoom meeting at Crown Hotel
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Can see wellens getting the job now plus he as just signed up for the charity football match , a sign that he is a community man with the board could be a shrude move there by richy
I saw him helping an old lady across the road in Skellow. Big on community is Richie.
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Wellens overtaken Heckingbottom into 2nd place. Quite a few have dropped too.
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The betting market says to me that things have been kept very quiet so far. We know there are 8 interviewees, but the odds don’t in any way reflect that there are 8 contenders way above anyone else. Wilson is evens but I honestly don’t see him being a candidate. Expecting some major shifts next week when the second interviews are confirmed.
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Stendel not moving either
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Hoden did say the betting markets wide of the mark.
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Tisdale?
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I've heard the name of a reported interviewee, not on any betting list, but I wouldn't be excited by him. Not going to name him, but at least it's not Steve Evans.
Rovers have kept the list secret, but given there's eight people, the odds of the betting list being totally wrong are unlikely, if only for the fact there is probably a financial crossover between the bookies list and Rovers.
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There is some distance in the odds between Wilson, Wellens and Heckingbottom, and then the rest of them. Odds on anyone beyond these three are very attractive. For someone to be a leading contender beyond this group, their odds are going to have to very dramatically come in now. It is a leap from 7/2 to then 16/1 for the fourth guy named. If you have money on anyone beyond these three above, then you are going to make a killing here as the odds are huge.
I’ve got no insight whatsoever but despite his rough edges, the need for someone to come in and read the riot act to this lot plus Wellens having two spells and bringing his kids to the Copps reunion match, does suggest we are not just any old club on his career record. Total guess, but given the other two in that group, I would say Wellens is our next guy.
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Can see wellens getting the job now plus he as just signed up for the charity football match , a sign that he is a community man with the board could be a shrude move there by richy
I saw him helping an old lady across the road in Skellow. Big on community is Richie.
I know richy is not really seen as a community man but he is trying to look that way , that’s what I mean by the comment
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I've heard the name of a reported interviewee, not on any betting list, but I wouldn't be excited by him. Not going to name him, but at least it's not Steve Evans.
Rovers have kept the list secret, but given there's eight people, the odds of the betting list being totally wrong are unlikely, if only for the fact there is probably a financial crossover between the bookies list and Rovers.
Why say something if your not going to name him ?
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I've heard the name of a reported interviewee, not on any betting list, but I wouldn't be excited by him. Not going to name him, but at least it's not Steve Evans.
Rovers have kept the list secret, but given there's eight people, the odds of the betting list being totally wrong are unlikely, if only for the fact there is probably a financial crossover between the bookies list and Rovers.
If the mystery man isn't on the bookies list, how can you then say it's unlikely for the bookies list to be wrong? :silly:
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I've heard the name of a reported interviewee, not on any betting list, but I wouldn't be excited by him. Not going to name him, but at least it's not Steve Evans.
Rovers have kept the list secret, but given there's eight people, the odds of the betting list being totally wrong are unlikely, if only for the fact there is probably a financial crossover between the bookies list and Rovers.
Wang it in t'rumour mill.
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I've heard the name of a reported interviewee, not on any betting list, but I wouldn't be excited by him. Not going to name him, but at least it's not Steve Evans.
Rovers have kept the list secret, but given there's eight people, the odds of the betting list being totally wrong are unlikely, if only for the fact there is probably a financial crossover between the bookies list and Rovers.
Reported by whom?
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I've heard the name of a reported interviewee, not on any betting list, but I wouldn't be excited by him. Not going to name him, but at least it's not Steve Evans.
Rovers have kept the list secret, but given there's eight people, the odds of the betting list being totally wrong are unlikely, if only for the fact there is probably a financial crossover between the bookies list and Rovers.
Reported by whom?
Friend of a friend. Person who told me didn't rate him. I'll chuck it in the Mill.
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I don't think we will be excited by any manager appointed. DM was a complete curve ball and we failed to take advantage of him and the presence he bought with him.
That said I certainly don't think he was right for rovers or the club doncaster model e.g. I can't see any development of our youth team thanks to him only the loan players he bought in like Richards.
Essentially who ever comes in has to build a silk purse out of a cows arse (or whatever that saying is) so I think we need someone with some experience this time would be solidish name in league 1 and not a terrible appointment. Definitely not an exciting one though at this stage
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The saying is, make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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anton123 .
There will be 3 interviews today and 5 next mon / tue ( sure thats what i read somewhere) so thats 8 not as you suggest 6.
Poss Nicky butt and one more then but like I say it’s only my opinion
Nicky Butt is part owner of Salford City, I thought you couldn’t be involved with two clubs, owning one and managing another.
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Did NB not have a management role at MU ( albeit U21/U23 or something) at same time as part owning SC.
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Scholes was manager of Oldham for a bit wasn't he? Think Salford were in the conference at the time mind.
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That is correct but you can’t do it with 2 league clubs
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If he got the job then he would just transfer his shares to the other members until he either left of got sacked.
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Heckingbottom not in the frame for our managers job as he is well in the frame for the permanent job at Sheffield United
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Heckingbottom not in the frame for our managers job as he is well in the frame for the permanent job at Sheffield United
That might be the case but if he wants to be a manager and doesn't get the sheff utd job, then would he turn it's down if offered?
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Not with what he says on the internet as he said he is flattered by interest from other clubs, but he wants to stay in there system
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-interview-process-for-doncaster-rovers-manager-role-3221988
Danny Wilson has/will NOT been interviewed.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-interview-process-for-doncaster-rovers-manager-role-3221988
Danny Wilson has/will NOT been interviewed.
That’s reassuring to hear to be honest. And I never expected that he would be when you read about the process.
Interesting that it suggests that hardly any of the names in the betting are in the running. Who does that leave us with as realistic candidates?
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The saying is, make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
There is another one that says. "You can put a pig in a frock, but it's still a pig!"
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The saying is, make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
There is another one that says. "You can put a pig in a frock, but it's still a pig!"
That's "you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. "
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The saying is, make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
There is another one that says. "You can put a pig in a frock, but it's still a pig!"
That's "you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. "
I've heard both - the frock one mainly from more senior citizens.
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The saying is, make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
There is another one that says. "You can put a pig in a frock, but it's still a pig!"
That's "you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. "
I've heard both - the frock one mainly from more senior citizens.
Okay, so I had to check this up. The original was "A hog in armour is still but a hog" and it was first noted in 1732.
Barrack Obama used the lipstick version in a speech, that version probably originated in the early 20th century, with the invention of lipstick. The frock version will just be another variant
Pearls before swine.
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Not appropriate for rovers , but : you can't polish a turd' is my favourite phrase for such circumstances
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What about Emma Hayes? She's been consistently successful with Chelsea and could still win a quadruple this season.
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What about Emma Hayes? She's been consistently successful with Chelsea and could still win a quadruple this season.
Didn't she turn her nose up when linked to Wimbledon earlier in the season? Saying she was too good for League One.
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I wonder if former Motherwell manager has gone for it, Stephan Robinson (I think that's right). Would be a decent appointment
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I wonder if former Motherwell manager has gone for it, Stephan Robinson (I think that's right). Would be a decent appointment
seen he’s gone from nowhere to 12/1
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I wonder if former Motherwell manager has gone for it, Stephan Robinson (I think that's right). Would be a decent appointment
seen he’s gone from nowhere to 12/1
Thats because I know 3 people who have had £20 on him, one of them has had four £20 bets via different accounts. So that's just 7 £20 bets at 20/1 just that I know off.
It doesn't take much to swing the odds when it comes to this type of market.
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Did I read correctly that we’re hoping to appoint the new manger by the end of this week ?
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Did I read correctly that we’re hoping to appoint the new manger by the end of this week ?
I thought I was WC 11th
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I was wrong.
Second interview on Thursday then contract negotiations that afternoon... or the following Thursday? Feels like a quick decision made after the second interviews if it’s the same day.
Same day Gaz. I wrote that down when Gavin mentioned it, and in my notes it looks like this;
'Offer and contract negotiations on Thursday afternoon (in theory)'
The' in theory' bit means it could spill over into Friday.
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Doesn't necessarily mean it'll be announced that day.
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I doubt anything will be announced until after the final game so wc 11 May
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There's still the small matter of the swimsuit round as well.
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The saying is, make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
There is another one that says. "You can put a pig in a frock, but it's still a pig!"
That's "you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. "
Reminds me of Park Lane
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Have the first round of interviews been completed
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Wellens back favourite. A bit of movement at the top with some other names too.
I wouldn't be against Wellens, especially compared to half that list.
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Nailed on Wellens I think- I'd be happy with him too I think.
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He wouldn’t have been my first choice but realistically, based on the names banded about, he looks the best of the lot.
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Have the first round of interviews been completed
I believe so, now we'll be having final discussions with 2/3 outstanding candidates and we'll be making an offer to one of them tomorrow if I've understood the schedule correctly.
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He wouldn’t have been my first choice but realistically, based on the names banded about, he looks the best of the lot.
However, it's important to remember that the majority of names being banded about weren't even on the interview list...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-interview-process-for-doncaster-rovers-manager-role-3221988?itm_source=parsely-api
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Have the first round of interviews been completed
I believe so, now we'll be having final discussions with 2/3 outstanding candidates and we'll be making an offer to one of them tomorrow if I've understood the schedule correctly.
Not quite, I think SM advised that there’ll be second interviews for the whittled down pool of candidates tomorrow. Then an offer made thereafter.
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He wouldn’t have been my first choice but realistically, based on the names banded about, he looks the best of the lot.
However, it's important to remember that the majority of names being banded about weren't even on the interview list...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-interview-process-for-doncaster-rovers-manager-role-3221988?itm_source=parsely-api
The club as a good record of picking the right man .BUT anyone out of work with the right credentials we see this job as a step on a ladder and not a long term aim . It’s a two man job so who they select and intern who he selects !!
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Have the first round of interviews been completed
I believe so, now we'll be having final discussions with 2/3 outstanding candidates and we'll be making an offer to one of them tomorrow if I've understood the schedule correctly.
Not quite, I think SM advised that there’ll be second interviews for the whittled down pool of candidates tomorrow. Then an offer made thereafter.
Right you are. We're getting down to brass tacks now then.
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He wouldn’t have been my first choice but realistically, based on the names banded about, he looks the best of the lot.
However, it's important to remember that the majority of names being banded about weren't even on the interview list...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/latest-on-interview-process-for-doncaster-rovers-manager-role-3221988?itm_source=parsely-api
The club as a good record of picking the right man .BUT anyone out of work with the right credentials we see this job as a step on a ladder and not a long term aim . It’s a two man job so who they select and intern who he selects !!
Applicants might also be in a job and fancy a crack at Rovers. The last 15 years or so have raised the club’s profile no end.
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
He then said it's just his opinion. It was strange how he mentioned it really....
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Paul Goodwin wrote a good article on DRFC. We are at a crossroads the appointment of the manager will be key. Will he have the funds to bring in seasoned league one professionals, which won’t be cheap to go for promotion. Will the club be happy to keep heading for top six but not achieving promotion and the extra revenue. Next season will indicate where we want to go what the club actually want to achieve. Starts with the manager then his recruitment this summer.
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
He then said it's just his opinion. It was strange how he mentioned it really....
I presumed it was an opinion based on pretty hardened facts.
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
He then said it's just his opinion. It was strange how he mentioned it really....
I presumed it was an opinion based on pretty hardened facts.
So did I, but I just have a feeling Wellens will get it.
He is playing in the charity game later in the month so he is obviously on okay terms with people at the club.
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Have the first round of interviews been completed
I believe so, now we'll be having final discussions with 2/3 outstanding candidates and we'll be making an offer to one of them tomorrow if I've understood the schedule correctly.
Not quite, I think SM advised that there’ll be second interviews for the whittled down pool of candidates tomorrow. Then an offer made thereafter.
Right you are. We're getting down to brass tacks now then.
My understanding was that 2nd interviews would take place Thursday with 2 or 3 top candidates with an offer being made and if accepted announced Thursday or Friday
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I can't see us announcing it until Monday/Tuesday next week. I suppose it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things with the timing but It will be good to know and stop the speculation.
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I'm not fussed with speculation in this instance.
Anyone who announces anything prematurely will be tested by the truth when that come out anyway.
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Just a further update.
A couple of the candidates have run into scheduling problems with their personal commitments, therefore the club are going to have to push things into next week.
The club have agreed to meet at least two of the candidates next Monday, and the shortlist will be drawn up from that with 2nd interviews held asap. The plan is now to appoint next week.
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Just a further update.
A couple of the candidates have run into scheduling problems with their personal commitments, therefore the club are going to have to push things into next week.
The club have agreed to meet at least two of the candidates next Monday, and the shortlist will be drawn up from that with 2nd interviews held asap. The plan is now to appoint next week.
Quickly everyone try and work out who is on pundit duty over the next couple of days!
Thanks for the update SM... Doesn't put too much of a spanner in the works
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My first thought is Buckingham, there. Based on a reliable source: absolutely nowt.
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My first thought is Buckingham, there. Based on a reliable source: absolutely nowt.
His Mel City side have just won 3-1.
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It just means it going to drag on again........... although TBH, I thought Thursday was a bit optimistic.
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My first thought is Buckingham, there. Based on a reliable source: absolutely nowt.
Me too- he's taking charge of there next two games . latest which is on Sunday....
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So does anyone’s contract run out at the weekend?
Seriously thanks for keeping us all up to speed Martin
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Coul end up with an Australian squad next year. :rolleyes:
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Coul end up with an Australian squad next year. :rolleyes:
Just put it on another thread, I would take there Centre Forward if he was interested, 100 goals in 144 apps... Not sure what the money is like over in AUS... Can't see a lot of them wanting to come to sunny England over Australia though!
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Coul end up with an Australian squad next year. :rolleyes:
More like :silly: if they're from down under
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There's still the small matter of the swimsuit round as well.
I hope to god Steve Evans hasn’t applied then.
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There's still the small matter of the swimsuit round as well.
I hope to god Steve Evans hasn’t applied then.
Emphasis on the 'small' matter.
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Coul end up with an Australian squad next year. :rolleyes:
Just put it on another thread, I would take there Centre Forward if he was interested, 100 goals in 144 apps... Not sure what the money is like over in AUS... Can't see a lot of them wanting to come to sunny England over Australia though!
Jamie McLaren is on about 10k a week.
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Coul end up with an Australian squad next year. :rolleyes:
Just put it on another thread, I would take there Centre Forward if he was interested, 100 goals in 144 apps... Not sure what the money is like over in AUS... Can't see a lot of them wanting to come to sunny England over Australia though!
Jamie McLaren is on about 10k a week.
That answers that one then!
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Liam Hoden has tweeted that Des Buckingham is not in the running.
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Liam Hoden has tweeted that Des Buckingham is not in the running.
Of course he's not, I don't think anybody took that seriously did they?
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Liam Hoden has tweeted that Des Buckingham is not in the running.
Of course he's not, I don't think anybody took that seriously did they?
Why? I'm sure stranger things have happened and I would imagine he has better credentials than some on the shortlist?
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What about Des Barnes?
Obviously Des O’Connor is not in the frame, bless him.
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Liam Hoden has tweeted that Des Buckingham is not in the running.
Of course he's not, I don't think anybody took that seriously did they?
Previously reported as applying a couple year ago and has a good, wide range of experience. Why would people who aren't privy to inside information not take it as a possibility?
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Not seen his name mentioned much really but I quite liked Paul Tisdale’s Exeter side from a few years ago. Maybe?
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Not seen his name mentioned much really but I quite liked Paul Tisdale’s Exeter side from a few years ago. Maybe?
He is one that I think will probably be on the shortlist.
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Not seen his name mentioned much really but I quite liked Paul Tisdale’s Exeter side from a few years ago. Maybe?
He's been mentioned a couple times.
Would definitely be a better appointment Boothroyd, Robinson, Mellon, Parkinson, etc.
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But what has he done other than Exeter
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Stendel also not in the running.
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But what has he done other than Exeter
You've asked this before. He got MK Dons promoted in his first season.
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But what has he done other than Exeter
You've asked this before. He got MK Dons promoted in his first season.
In his last 9 games at mk Dons he got 1 point. He then got 18 points from 19 games at Bristol rovers. His league 1 record is not impressive at all.
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Liam Hoden has tweeted that Des Buckingham is not in the running.
Of course he's not, I don't think anybody took that seriously did they?
Nah. There was just a few threads started about him for the good of our health's.
There goes my tenner.
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Liam Hoden has tweeted that Des Buckingham is not in the running.
Of course he's not, I don't think anybody took that seriously did they?
Previously reported as applying a couple year ago and has a good, wide range of experience. Why would people who aren't privy to inside information not take it as a possibility?
Previously reported by who?
He has no connection to the club, has never applied for the post ever, so why accept it as serious?
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I would imagine Tisdale being a strong candidate.
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
He then said it's just his opinion. It was strange how he mentioned it really....
I presumed it was an opinion based on pretty hardened facts.
SM and I may not have agreed on everything in the past, but I think we have to be grateful here for the link into the club and not start hanging people out for expressing a view or trying to score points off it.
I think it’s widely known that Wellens had a bit of a fractious relationship with the club towards the end of his second spell here. He can be an abrasive character but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and we know Wellens still holds an affection for DRFC. Whether his relationship with some individuals at the club is beyond repair would be for the parties involved to determine. An opinion that it might be tricky to envisage is understandable given the characters involved but as we know things can change in life. If they do then it doesn’t mean it’s contrary to anything aired in the past. We’re all fans and everyone’s entitled to a view.
Potentially tetchy relationships notwithstanding, Wellens would make a very credible candidate in my opinion. But he’s not on his own. The process clearly still has a distance to run.
We’ll all have our views on the successful candidate. And somewhere it’s inevitable that we’ll have to make a sacrifice on what we may consider to be the ideal aspects of character, experience, past records, win ratios, perceptions or all of the above. Otherwise they’d not be coming here. Trust the process, and accept that you can’t please everyone in every way.
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
He then said it's just his opinion. It was strange how he mentioned it really....
I presumed it was an opinion based on pretty hardened facts.
SM and I may not have agreed on everything in the past, but I think we have to be grateful here for the link into the club and not start hanging people out for expressing a view or trying to score points off it.
I think it’s widely known that Wellens had a bit of a fractious relationship with the club towards the end of his second spell here. He can be an abrasive character but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and we know Wellens still holds an affection for DRFC. Whether his relationship with some individuals at the club is beyond repair would be for the parties involved to determine. An opinion that it might be tricky to envisage is understandable given the characters involved but as we know things can change in life. If they do then it doesn’t mean it’s contrary to anything aired in the past. We’re all fans and everyone’s entitled to a view.
Potentially tetchy relationships notwithstanding, Wellens would make a very credible candidate in my opinion. But he’s not on his own. The process clearly still has a distance to run.
We’ll all have our views on the successful candidate. And somewhere it’s inevitable that we’ll have to make a sacrifice on what we may consider to be the ideal aspects of character, experience, past records, win ratios, perceptions or all of the above. Otherwise they’d not be coming here. Trust the process, and accept that you can’t please everyone in every way.
You would hope that all concerned at the end of his previous spell have matured since then and used that experience, and many more, to their advantage.
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
He then said it's just his opinion. It was strange how he mentioned it really....
I presumed it was an opinion based on pretty hardened facts.
SM and I may not have agreed on everything in the past, but I think we have to be grateful here for the link into the club and not start hanging people out for expressing a view or trying to score points off it.
I think it’s widely known that Wellens had a bit of a fractious relationship with the club towards the end of his second spell here. He can be an abrasive character but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and we know Wellens still holds an affection for DRFC. Whether his relationship with some individuals at the club is beyond repair would be for the parties involved to determine. An opinion that it might be tricky to envisage is understandable given the characters involved but as we know things can change in life. If they do then it doesn’t mean it’s contrary to anything aired in the past. We’re all fans and everyone’s entitled to a view.
Potentially tetchy relationships notwithstanding, Wellens would make a very credible candidate in my opinion. But he’s not on his own. The process clearly still has a distance to run.
We’ll all have our views on the successful candidate. And somewhere it’s inevitable that we’ll have to make a sacrifice on what we may consider to be the ideal aspects of character, experience, past records, win ratios, perceptions or all of the above. Otherwise they’d not be coming here. Trust the process, and accept that you can’t please everyone in every way.
Haven’t the club said the new manger will need to include Butler either on the coaching staff or as a player. Wellens and Butler came to blows before Wellens left the club in his second spell. Could this potentially be an issue for Wellens getting the job
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Stendel also not in the running.
Well I'm disappointed by that, he was the only potentially realistic sounding name that I was genuinely excited about. Having said that, I've still got faith that we'll appoint the right man.
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Not seen his name mentioned much really but I quite liked Paul Tisdale’s Exeter side from a few years ago. Maybe?
Would be happy if he could bring Ollie Watkins
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There is some distance in the odds between Wilson, Wellens and Heckingbottom, and then the rest of them. Odds on anyone beyond these three are very attractive. For someone to be a leading contender beyond this group, their odds are going to have to very dramatically come in now. It is a leap from 7/2 to then 16/1 for the fourth guy named. If you have money on anyone beyond these three above, then you are going to make a killing here as the odds are huge.
I’ve got no insight whatsoever but despite his rough edges, the need for someone to come in and read the riot act to this lot plus Wellens having two spells and bringing his kids to the Copps reunion match, does suggest we are not just any old club on his career record. Total guess, but given the other two in that group, I would say Wellens is our next guy.
Don't think much is happening to change this view. He has come in to clear shortest odds now.
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Stendel also not in the running.
Is that from Liam Hoden?
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Stendel also not in the running.
Is that from Liam Hoden?
Yep.
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I’m sure martin said there’s no chance we’d appoint Wellens, so surely that’s a non starter
He then said it's just his opinion. It was strange how he mentioned it really....
I presumed it was an opinion based on pretty hardened facts.
SM and I may not have agreed on everything in the past, but I think we have to be grateful here for the link into the club and not start hanging people out for expressing a view or trying to score points off it.
I think it’s widely known that Wellens had a bit of a fractious relationship with the club towards the end of his second spell here. He can be an abrasive character but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and we know Wellens still holds an affection for DRFC. Whether his relationship with some individuals at the club is beyond repair would be for the parties involved to determine. An opinion that it might be tricky to envisage is understandable given the characters involved but as we know things can change in life. If they do then it doesn’t mean it’s contrary to anything aired in the past. We’re all fans and everyone’s entitled to a view.
Potentially tetchy relationships notwithstanding, Wellens would make a very credible candidate in my opinion. But he’s not on his own. The process clearly still has a distance to run.
We’ll all have our views on the successful candidate. And somewhere it’s inevitable that we’ll have to make a sacrifice on what we may consider to be the ideal aspects of character, experience, past records, win ratios, perceptions or all of the above. Otherwise they’d not be coming here. Trust the process, and accept that you can’t please everyone in every way.
Haven’t the club said the new manger will need to include Butler either on the coaching staff or as a player. Wellens and Butler came to blows before Wellens left the club in his second spell. Could this potentially be an issue for Wellens getting the job
They’re old enough blokes I’m sure they’d make up. If that played a part in not choosing Wellens it’d be embarrassing from the board. Obviously it wouldn’t.
I think Wellens is our man, the rumoured contenders are massively underwhelming other than him.
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I wondered if Simon Weaver may have been amongst the applicants. You can see why he’d have needed to defer an interview given Harrogate Town’s involvement in the FA Trophy on Monday.
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I wondered if Simon Weaver may have been amongst the applicants. You can see why he’d have needed to defer an interview given Harrogate Town’s involvement in the FA Trophy on Monday.
Would be a good appointment in my opinion. He's from Donny too which is a bonus.
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I wondered if Simon Weaver may have been amongst the applicants. You can see why he’d have needed to defer an interview given Harrogate Town’s involvement in the FA Trophy on Monday.
Would be a good appointment in my opinion. He's from Donny too which is a bonus.
Interesting conversation to be had with his current employer though.....
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Weaver and Bramall families both made their money in property development. TB is from Cadeby I think and Weavers High Melton. They almost certainly know each other.
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David Healy, ex Rovers loan player is rumoured to be leaving champions elect Linfield ( Blue Shitte ) in N.Ireland, his next job in management will be with a full time professional team.
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David Healy, ex Rovers loan player is rumoured to be leaving champions elect Linfield ( Blue Shitte ) in N.Ireland, his next job in management will be with a full time professional team.
Another that would be a good shout.
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On balance, I think Wellens would probably be my first choice from the names realistically linked.
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It won't be Weaver, we would have to approach Harrogate Town first to speak to him and that would be reported in the press, plus it would mean us having to single him out as our preferred candidate which is completely against our recruitment strategy.
Whoever the new manager is, I highly doubt he is currently a #1 at another club. It'll be a mix of unemployed and those employed as coaches at other clubs, rather than as managers.
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Not necessarily,
weaver could have applied for the job his boss is his dad so he could’ve quite easily told his dad that he fancied the job here
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The thing with Weaver, is to what extent he sees Harrogate as the family business. If he feels he wants to show he can be a success elsewhere, then Rovers wouldn't be a bad start. It's his hometown club, he knows the owners and the set up and knows they'd give him time.
I would guess he's still very much commited to Harrogate though.
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Harrogate aren't exactly known for playing attractive football but then again maybe we need to go back to basics.
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There's still the small matter of the swimsuit round as well.
that depends on who it is weather it’s a small swimsuit or not, if it was me it would be very small
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There's still the small matter of the swimsuit round as well.
that depends on who it is weather it’s a small swimsuit or not, if it was me it would be very small
Show off!
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The person I know who works at the club told me last night that Wellens has a very good chance at getting the job. This chance has increased with Copps being offer the Director of football role
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This chance has increased with Copps being offer the Director of football role
Has he....?
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This chance has increased with Copps being offer the Director of football role
Has he....?
No he hasn't. He's been offered a role but it's not that.
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He might not have been but he could do a fine job of it, but it’s a part time job he has been offered to start with
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Weaver and Bramall families both made their money in property development. TB is from Cadeby I think and Weavers High Melton. They almost certainly know each other.
They know each other very well.
I have been on many Polypipe business trips when they have been in the group with us all.
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Weaver and Bramall families both made their money in property development. TB is from Cadeby I think and Weavers High Melton. They almost certainly know each other.
Drfchound do you work for Polypipe?
They know each other very well.
I have been on many Polypipe business trips when they have been in the group with us all.
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Hoden has just ruled out Coleman, Mellon, Tisdale.
Says more than one candidate is currently managing.
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Hoden has just ruled out Coleman, Mellon, Tisdale.
Says more than one candidate is currently managing.
Only Wellens or Clough for me then and I doubt Clough will have gone for it.
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Hoden has just ruled out Coleman, Mellon, Tisdale.
Says more than one candidate is currently managing.
Tisdale the only real surprise for me there.
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So who’s been ruled out now then?
Tisdale
Coleman
Mellon
Buckingham
Parkinson
Any more?
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Eddie Howe, hilariously. And Jason Tindall. Danny Wilson is ruled out too.
Liam also said that Wellens is definitely one of the candidates in the running.
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Edit. Think I'm wrong on that.
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Given the regularity with which this process has unfortunately come around recently, I can't help thinking the club has missed an opportunity by not releasing a branded Guess Who? set.
"Is he currently managing?"
"No"
[Clack-clack-clack]
"Any League One experience?
"Yes"
[Clack-clack-clack]...
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Paul Heckingbottom?
Scrap that. Just seen that he's caretaker manager at the Blades.
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I haven't heard anything that would rule out Heckingbottom as a candidate, to be fair.
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So who’s been ruled out now then?
Tisdale
Coleman
Mellon
Buckingham
Parkinson
Any more?
Stendel, Coughlan and JFH also ruled out.
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If Gary Megson isn't on the shortlist the board are off their effing rocker. Anyone who read his programme notes throughout the 90s will know his qualities.
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Didn’t realise Coughlan had been ruled out.
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Does this mean Bothroyd is still potentially in the running then?
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Struggle to think of 8 names that haven't been ruled out now! Only one anyone seems to know is Wellens. Think he's got some decent experience in a fairly short career and had success in promotion and a cup so in that sense is probably a no brainer.
I still don't believe for a second that Wellens history with the club means he won't leave at the 1st offer like the others.
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I haven't heard anything that would rule out Heckingbottom as a candidate, to be fair.
Listening to Radio Sheffield earlier and it seems the Blades job is a two horse race between Blessin and Hecky. There are issues surrounding Blessin and a work permit however.
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Iv just seen a name on twitter that will give me nightmares tonight...
Derek adams!
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Harrogate aren't exactly known for playing attractive football but then again maybe we need to go back to basics.
Where on earth do you get that idea from. I am puzzled as to who has given you that feedback.
Harrogate do play attractive football. They play a passing game but can and do mix it up a bit. When Beck is playing they do load the ball into the box and use his height and heading ability.
Weaver has consistently played 4-4-2 throughout their rise up the leagues a style very much like Dave Penny had his teams playing at Rovers.
Anyway i do not think Simon Weaver would leave Harrogate Town at this time as he is very much a part of a family business with his Father being the owner.
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I've got the weaver in jokes queued up and ready to go.
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Derek McInnes?
Uninspiring name, but has a 46.93% win ratio. That's quite impressive.
Also, achieved Scottish Premier League runners-up 3 times with Aberdeen.
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If Stendel is not a candidate then from all the names being banded about that are not currently in work my favourite would be Wellens.
Think he did an excellent job at Swindon Town on a restricted budget.
Very good recruitment from him at the club. Scored lots of goals in League 2 and made a very good start in League 1 this season.
Their form only started to fall away after it was made fairly obvious he was leaving to go to Salford.
As he is from Manchester it was obviously an attractive move for him as they have ambitious owners who understand the game being ex top professional players.
It was strange it did not work out at Salford but working for ex pros may have caused some friction due to interference in team tactics etc.
He is his own person, a strong personality and if his man management is good ( which is vital ) then i believe he could be a great fit for DRFC.
Whoever gets the job will get my 100% support as the board are doing the interviews and they will know what they are looking for in the person that fulfils the requirements for the job far better than myself.
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I've got the weaver in jokes queued up and ready to go.
No. Please no MM! Every single time I hear that name it sends shivers up my spine. Unfair on the current Weaver, but f**k me, NO!
BobG
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Steve Evans still not ruled out then?...
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Steve Evans still not ruled out then?...
yeh he is he doesn't like the catering :blush:
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I think Wellens probably found it irresistible going to Salford, weren’t the owners his mates having all come through the manure youth set up.
I’m still not sure about him being a fit as manager for us
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When Hoden said that the mangers on the short list have managed from Premiership down to league 2 level, could he have meant Scottish premiership ?
Also he said 2 of the contenders are currently managing other clubs. Seeing as we don’t approach mangers in work, I can’t see a employed manger applying for another job going down well with his current club
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When he mentioned Wellens it came across as he is the number one man.
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I’m thinking Nigel Clough..
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I’m thinking Nigel Clough..
I’d be more than happy if he got the job.
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Simon Weaver to get the job, with Barry Richardson as his number 2
If it starts going wrong we can start chanting "Weaver out, Richardson out"
:chair:
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Clough is my preference of the ones that haven't been ruled out.
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When he mentioned Wellens it came across as he is the number one man.
I wouldn’t mind Wellens at all,but i’m sure it was mentioned he’d made a few enemies the last time he was here. (Including a certain senior figure)
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When Hoden said that the mangers on the short list have managed from Premiership down to league 2 level, could he have meant Scottish premiership ?
Also he said 2 of the contenders are currently managing other clubs. Seeing as we don’t approach mangers in work, I can’t see a employed manger applying for another job going down well with his current club
He was asked if any candidates had Premier League or international experience and he said yes to both, so doubt he would deceive and say that but mean SPL.
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When Hoden said that the mangers on the short list have managed from Premiership down to league 2 level, could he have meant Scottish premiership ?
Also he said 2 of the contenders are currently managing other clubs. Seeing as we don’t approach mangers in work, I can’t see a employed manger applying for another job going down well with his current club
He was asked if any candidates had Premier League or international experience and he said yes to both, so doubt he would deceive and say that but mean SPL.
Graeme Jones?
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He also mentioned international so could be GJ and AB? GJ is well thought of in Newcastle and one reason for their slight upturn in performances
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Im hoping for Jimmy Floyd Hasslebank - I would like someone who understands the attacking side of football. I am not sure he would have applied but I think he is a great manager.
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Clough would probably have a lower budget than at Mansfield this summer. Thats not a dig at our owners they spend heavily for a league 2 team.
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Clough would probably have a lower budget than at Mansfield this summer. Thats not a dig at our owners they spend heavily for a league 2 team.
Not an entirely successful business model then
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Clough would probably have a lower budget than at Mansfield this summer. Thats not a dig at our owners they spend heavily for a league 2 team.
Thats worrying if correct.
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If he can manage Burton successfully I think he could cope at Rovers.
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I would be happy with either Clough or Wellens.
Cough would be a longer term solution as he has shown loyalty previously to his clubs.
Wellens would be off for a bigger opportunity...
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No chance Clough will have applied.
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Weaver and Bramall families both made their money in property development. TB is from Cadeby I think and Weavers High Melton. They almost certainly know each other.
Drfchound do you work for Polypipe?
They know each other very well.
I have been on many Polypipe business trips when they have been in the group with us all.
Petche, no mate I don’t work for Polypipe.
I have retired now but was a Polypipe customer from the very early days when Kevin McDonald opened the Company.
I actually sold the some of the first batch of grey waste fittings that were made in the factory.
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No chance Clough will have applied.
What makes you say that Gaz?
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No chance Clough will have applied.
What makes you say that Gaz?
I think he’s loyal and he’s got no reason to leave Mansfield.
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Weaver and Bramall families both made their money in property development. TB is from Cadeby I think and Weavers High Melton. They almost certainly know each other.
Drfchound do you work for Polypipe?
They know each other very well.
I have been on many Polypipe business trips when they have been in the group with us all.
Petche, no mate I don’t work for Polypipe.
I have retired now but was a Polypipe customer from the very early days when Kevin McDonald opened the Company.
I actually sold the some of the first batch of grey waste fittings that were made in the factory.
My mother used to work for KM back in the day.
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Weaver and Bramall families both made their money in property development. TB is from Cadeby I think and Weavers High Melton. They almost certainly know each other.
Drfchound do you work for Polypipe?
They know each other very well.
I have been on many Polypipe business trips when they have been in the group with us all.
Petche, no mate I don’t work for Polypipe.
I have retired now but was a Polypipe customer from the very early days when Kevin McDonald opened the Company.
I actually sold the some of the first batch of grey waste fittings that were made in the factory.
My mother used to work for KM back in the day.
Was she his PA ?
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Weaver and Bramall families both made their money in property development. TB is from Cadeby I think and Weavers High Melton. They almost certainly know each other.
Drfchound do you work for Polypipe?
They know each other very well.
I have been on many Polypipe business trips when they have been in the group with us all.
Petche, no mate I don’t work for Polypipe.
I have retired now but was a Polypipe customer from the very early days when Kevin McDonald opened the Company.
I actually sold the some of the first batch of grey waste fittings that were made in the factory.
My mother used to work for KM back in the day.
Was she his PA ?
No. Financial Controller.
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Butler has just said he’s got through to the 2nd round of interviews. No offence to Butler but how on earth has he got through the that stage. Doesn’t say much about the quality of candidates
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Why is Hoden stating that he’s not in contention then? And his interview was much more informal
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It is the board just being kind to him so he isn't humiliated.
Just my view on it
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It is the board just being kind to him so he isn't humiliated.
Just my view on it
:that:
Completely Agree, keep him on side for next season, will be an asset on the pitch if nothing else
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Are there three candidates getting a second interview? Wellens, Butler and Boothroyd?
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Are there three candidates getting a second interview? Wellens, Butler and Boothroyd?
We're not at that stage yet.
3 interviews had to be carried over from last week due to other constraints, these will be held on Monday.
The shortlist will then be drawn up, possibly 2/3 candidates and expected to interview again on Wednesday.
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Are there three candidates getting a second interview? Wellens, Butler and Boothroyd?
We're not at that stage yet.
3 interviews had to be carried over from last week due to other constraints, these will be held on Monday.
The shortlist will then be drawn up, possibly 2/3 candidates and expected to interview again on Wednesday.
I’ve got a feeling it may only be two.
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Are there three candidates getting a second interview? Wellens, Butler and Boothroyd?
We're not at that stage yet.
3 interviews had to be carried over from last week due to other constraints, these will be held on Monday.
The shortlist will then be drawn up, possibly 2/3 candidates and expected to interview again on Wednesday.
I’ve got a feeling it may only be two.
I would have thought there'd be three based on the reaction to the first few interviews that took place.
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Hoden said last night they 2 mangers who are being interviewed next week are currently managing other clubs. Could one of them
Be Heckinbottom ?
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Hoden said last night they 2 mangers who are being interviewed next week are currently managing other clubs. Could one of them
Be Heckinbottom ?
Brian Potter and Peter Stringfellow?
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Hoden said last night they 2 mangers who are being interviewed next week are currently managing other clubs. Could one of them
Be Heckinbottom ?
I wouldn't imagine Rovers paying compensation for one of these 2 , when according to LH the board are already leaning towards 1 of the first bunch to be interviewed.
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Hoden said last night they 2 mangers who are being interviewed next week are currently managing other clubs. Could one of them
Be Heckinbottom ?
Brian Potter and Peter Stringfellow?
Stringfellow might be a little late - if they're digging him up
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Andy Butler’s been asked back for a second interview????????
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Andy Butler’s been asked back for a second interview????????
Liam Hoden again has reiterated that he hasn't. Maybe Butler is just trying to save face?
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There is a tweet from Adam Oxley which says "Andy Butler says he will be involved in a second round of interviews next week to become the permanent manager" - so could be that he isn't necessarily having a second interview but on the other side of the desk?
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Andy Butler’s been asked back for a second interview????????
Liam Hoden again has reiterated that he hasn't. Maybe Butler is just trying to save face?
Think he may be consulted regarding the decision making.
Wellens, Robinson and Boothroyd the three potentials then maybe?
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Andy Butler’s been asked back for a second interview????????
What Butler actually says is
"It went well, we've got a second phase of interviews next week I believe so we'll find out more then"
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Andy Butler’s been asked back for a second interview????????
Liam Hoden again has reiterated that he hasn't. Maybe Butler is just trying to save face?
Think he may be consulted regarding the decision making.
Wellens, Robinson and Boothroyd the three potentials then maybe?
Karl Robinson?
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
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We aren't at the "final three" second stage yet. The first round of interviews are being concluded on Monday and then the final three will go on from there at the back end of next week.
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Robinson or Wellens would both be good appointments I think.
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Did pep get a second interview?
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Did pep get a second interview?
No- he only has one style and doesn't mix it up enough when thing's aren't going well.
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Not Theo?
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Not Theo?
Anne?
Swiss Family?
Crusoe?
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Not Theo?
Anne?
Swiss Family?
Crusoe?
Ha! No, none of them have been previously connected to the club
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Not Theo?
Went to send his application but missed opening of the postbox.
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Not Theo?
Anne?
Swiss Family?
Crusoe?
Tom 2-4-6-8
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Mrs Shoutybags?
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Not Theo?
Anne?
Swiss Family?
Crusoe?
Tom 2-4-6-8
Tom Motorway? :ohmy:
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Stephen Robinson I assume.
Not Theo?
Anne?
Swiss Family?
Crusoe?
Tom 2-4-6-8
Tom Motorway? :ohmy:
Tom Robinson
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Butler has just said he’s got through to the 2nd round of interviews. No offence to Butler but how on earth has he got through the that stage. Doesn’t say much about the quality of candidates
Listen to the interview, he never said he had got through to the second round, he said there will be a second round of interviews next week, a subtle difference, he also acknowledged results haven’t been good enough
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Just goes to show how rumours spread doesn't it. Butler says "we've" got second interviews clearly referring to the club/the process , all of a sudden he's being treated as the front runner by the fans.
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Mrs. Robinson (bless her)
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SM, any indication on whether Boothroyd is in the running? He's probably the only candidate who worries me.
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SM, any indication on whether Boothroyd is in the running? He's probably the only candidate who worries me.
He might not be as we actually don’t know who the candidates are.
Whoever the board are interviewing i trust them to make the right final choice.
The important thing this time is there is a serious penalty clause in the contract if he decides to to leave us and go to a so called “ bigger club “like Sheff Wed or Hull City“
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https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19283236.richie-wellens-talks-pre-season-swindon-town-relegation-next/
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SM, any indication on whether Boothroyd is in the running? He's probably the only candidate who worries me.
Can't say. But there's no need to be worried!
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I know odds can mean anything at this stage but it’s still concerning to see Boothroyd as favourite for the job
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Surley boothroyd can’t be in consideration with his track recording of majorly underachieving in his last 2 jobs.
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I hope I’m not about to be underwhelmed again.
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If it’s boothroyd we’ll be signing our relegation, he’s been out of the leagues for too long.
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If it’s boothroyd we’ll be signing our relegation, he’s been out of the leagues for too long.
This... 100%
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If it’s boothroyd we’ll be signing our relegation, he’s been out of the leagues for too long.
His record with England U21s was abysmal too.
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He can’t really be judged in the England job,
It’s a job where all your best players leave immediately.
The full England squad is full of players that by rights should be playing for the under 21s
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He can’t really be judged in the England job,
It’s a job where all your best players leave immediately.
The full England squad is full of players that by rights should be playing for the under 21s
Of course you can. He still had an incredibly strong squad.
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Read what SM wrote - Post 462. I am entirely relaxed about Mr Boothroyd.
BobG
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He can’t really be judged in the England job,
It’s a job where all your best players leave immediately.
The full England squad is full of players that by rights should be playing for the under 21s
His under 21 side play other under 21 sides who face the exact same issue. From a results perspective he’s completely underachieved, and I doubt that the more recent graduates like Foden, Mount etc would suggest that Boothroyd had any great input into their development.
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Read what SM wrote - Post 462. I am entirely relaxed about Mr Boothroyd.
BobG
Wellens won't be manager. Sure I saw something similar. Maybe wrong though.
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Read what SM wrote - Post 462. I am entirely relaxed about Mr Boothroyd.
BobG
Me too
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He can’t really be judged in the England job,
It’s a job where all your best players leave immediately.
The full England squad is full of players that by rights should be playing for the under 21s
His under 21 side play other under 21 sides who face the exact same issue. From a results perspective he’s completely underachieved, and I doubt that the more recent graduates like Foden, Mount etc would suggest that Boothroyd had any great input into their development.
Other countries take players to major under 21 tournaments that are now with the full squad
We’ve never done that
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He can’t really be judged in the England job,
It’s a job where all your best players leave immediately.
The full England squad is full of players that by rights should be playing for the under 21s
His under 21 side play other under 21 sides who face the exact same issue. From a results perspective he’s completely underachieved, and I doubt that the more recent graduates like Foden, Mount etc would suggest that Boothroyd had any great input into their development.
Other countries take players to major under 21 tournaments that are now with the full squad
We’ve never done that
Whatever tournament he's been to he's still had one of the top 4 squads despite missing some players and has always underachieved.
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The under 21s haven’t won a major tournament for 40 years,
Although boothroyd won the Toulon tournament which is classed as a major tournament
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He can’t really be judged in the England job,
It’s a job where all your best players leave immediately.
The full England squad is full of players that by rights should be playing for the under 21s
His under 21 side play other under 21 sides who face the exact same issue. From a results perspective he’s completely underachieved, and I doubt that the more recent graduates like Foden, Mount etc would suggest that Boothroyd had any great input into their development.
Other countries take players to major under 21 tournaments that are now with the full squad
We’ve never done that
It's already been pointed out in this thread that he had a very strong squad this year. I'm not sure why you're ignoring that.
Either way, it sounds like he won't be getting the job.
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I’m not ignoring it,
A strong squad compared to what?
Germany’s? Spain’s? Portugal’s?
That squad consists of only 1/2 players who play regularly in the prem,
That’s not the case for other countries
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I’m not ignoring it,
A strong squad compared to what?
Germany’s? Spain’s? Portugal’s?
That squad consists of only 1/2 players who play regularly in the prem,
That’s not the case for other countries
Compared to Croatia and Switzerland for starters, both of whom finished above us.
Of that squad, Ramsdale, Godfrey, Davies, Eze, Gallagher, Jones, McNeil, Brewster and Smith-Rowe have all had a decent amount of game time at PL clubs this season. Also, Aarons and Cantwell did so with Norwich last season. Outside of England, Sessegnon and, to a lesser extent, Madueke have a decent amount of minutes in Germany and Holland. It was a strong squad by anyone's standards.
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If you look through history our under 21s never do well, not won anything other than the Toulon tournament under boothroyd for 40 years.
Look at the players we’ve had over that time,
Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Owen, Fowler, terry, Cole, Rooney,
And we’ve won nothing
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If you looks through the history our under 21s have won the highest honour in the game, the UEFA u21 title, twice and have been runners up, all within the last 40 years.
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Since 1984 they haven’t
So 37 years
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That right, 37 years, so within the last 40.
Good performance in 2009 to make the final and lose only to Germany side including Ozil, Neuer, Boateng, Hummels and Khedira.
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Right so read my post again but change 40 years to 37.
Point still stands,
No under 21 manager has won anything for a very long time, so it’s harsh to use that as a criticism of boothroyd
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Right so read my post again but change 40 years to 37.
Point still stands,
No under 21 manager has won anything for a very long time, so it’s harsh to use that as a criticism of boothroyd
Surely you can see the difference between two successive group stage exits and finishing as runners up, for instance. Saying no U21 manager has won the competition outright, therefore they must all be judged identically is quite strange.
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I’m not but surely you can also see that winning the Toulon tournament under him should also be recognised when nobody else has managed that feat in 37 years
The current England manager didn’t win anything with the under 21 for instance
Anyhow hopefully it’s not going to be him
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I’m not but surely you can also see that winning the Toulon tournament under him should also be recognised when nobody else has managed that feat in 37 years
The current England manager didn’t win anything with the under 21 for instance
Anyhow hopefully it’s not going to be him
We won the Toulon Tournament in 2016 under Southgate and 2017 under Dewsnip, but let's leave that there.
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You've got me there!
I just think it’s a job with very little chance of being successful and I think the role is more about bringing players through.
Whether they have an influence on that or not could be debatable
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You've got me there!
I just think it’s a job with very little chance of being successful and I think the role is more about bringing players through.
Whether they have an influence on that or not could be debatable
I agree it's a tough job given that the squad changes substantially every tournament cycle. I think we're generally in agreement regarding Boothroyd though (i.e. much preferring other options!).
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Plus not forgetting there's been a number of tournaments we're top under 21 players have been withdrawn by there clubs or call into Englands first team squad for tournaments or end of season games
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I think I’ve now convinced myself I want wellens,
I think if we let him build a squad he’ll fill it with good players,
He plays attractive football, and I imagine he’s not one to take any nonsense from players, the lack of professionalism we’ve seen over the last few weeks, he wouldn’t stand for that.
I’d be delighted if we got him
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Ditto from me.
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Of the names yet to be ruled out, I'd be happy with Wellens, Simon Weaver or Stephen Robinson. I wouldn't be unhappy with Graeme Jones either in all honesty.
I still believe there's going to be one or two candidates who have completely slipped under the radar.
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Just to chuck a name in,
Martin Allen?
Almost everyone who has played for him has good things to say about him. Managed at a higher level. Good at building team spirit.
Just have a listen to his interview on Undr the Cosh. He'd have the players ready to run through brick walls.
Admittedly he doesn't play the style of football we've played in recent years, but may be just what we need.
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I can see the thought process given what a bunch of invertebrates we have had this season, but Allen is from the footballing stone age.
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Of the names yet to be ruled out, I'd be happy with Wellens, Simon Weaver or Stephen Robinson. I wouldn't be unhappy with Graeme Jones either in all honesty.
I still believe there's going to be one or two candidates who have completely slipped under the radar.
I wouldn't be disappointed with any of those names either. I'd probably lean towards Wellens most.
Of the under the radar names, has Steve Evans been ruled out yet?
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If he hasn’t, I will rule him out now.
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Of the names yet to be ruled out, I'd be happy with Wellens, Simon Weaver or Stephen Robinson. I wouldn't be unhappy with Graeme Jones either in all honesty.
I still believe there's going to be one or two candidates who have completely slipped under the radar.
I wouldn't be disappointed with any of those names either. I'd probably lean towards Wellens most.
Of the under the radar names, has Steve Evans been ruled out yet?
Is there anything at all that Steve Evans could get under never mind the radar? ;)
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Read what SM wrote - Post 462. I am entirely relaxed about Mr Boothroyd.
BobG
Wellens won't be manager. Sure I saw something similar. Maybe wrong though.
Liam Hoden confirmed Wellens is on the shortlist. He has to be classed as a leading contender to get the job.
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If he hasn’t, I will rule him out now.
Me too! FFS! I’d rather have Dickov back and have successive relegations than have that fat, whingeing, abusive, corrupt excuse for a human being anywhere near our club!
I will buy another ST even after this years collapse, bought one after the ‘experiment’, bought one every year for the last 20 years. If that Cnut becomes our manager I won’t buy one until he leaves! No f*ck*ng way, f*ck off! I’m sure the board would think the same. :boxing:
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I think I’ve now convinced myself I want wellens,
I think if we let him build a squad he’ll fill it with good players,
He plays attractive football, and I imagine he’s not one to take any nonsense from players, the lack of professionalism we’ve seen over the last few weeks, he wouldn’t stand for that.
I’d be delighted if we got him
Same for me. And I’d also be happy with Graeme Jones.
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If he hasn’t, I will rule him out now.
Me too! FFS! I’d rather have Dickov back and have successive relegations than have that fat, whingeing, abusive, corrupt excuse for a human being anywhere near our club!
I will buy another ST even after this years collapse, bought one after the ‘experiment’, bought one every year for the last 20 years. If that Cnut becomes our manager I won’t buy one until he leaves! No f*ck*ng way, f*ck off! I’m sure the board would think the same. :boxing:
So you're on the fence.
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Of the names yet to be ruled out, I'd be happy with Wellens, Simon Weaver or Stephen Robinson. I wouldn't be unhappy with Graeme Jones either in all honesty.
I still believe there's going to be one or two candidates who have completely slipped under the radar.
I wouldn't be disappointed with any of those names either. I'd probably lean towards Wellens most.
Of the under the radar names, has Steve Evans been ruled out yet?
Is there anything at all that Steve Evans could get under never mind the radar? ;)
He’s hard pushed to get under the sky really....
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We’re all under his gravitational pull.
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I was on team Wellens, then that first half showing pushed me further into wanting Wellens to get it.
However, I read on another post that there's 2 or 3 of the candidates who aren't on the bookies. My initial thought was Kenny Jackett and the Cowleys.
Wellens still my personal prefered number 1 target
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If he hasn’t, I will rule him out now.
Me too! FFS! I’d rather have Dickov back and have successive relegations than have that fat, whingeing, abusive, corrupt excuse for a human being anywhere near our club!
I will buy another ST even after this years collapse, bought one after the ‘experiment’, bought one every year for the last 20 years. If that Cnut becomes our manager I won’t buy one until he leaves! No f*ck*ng way, f*ck off! I’m sure the board would think the same. :boxing:
So you're on the fence.
:lol: :lol: absolutely!
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What I don't understand with wellens is the attraction to him. Yep great player for this club, yep did well for Swinton in LG 2. But that's about it, jumped fir a big money move to his mates and failed there. Seems very much like alot of our old managers plus I'm not sure what, if any connections he has in the game.
Graham Jones, if applied is an interesting one. Another ex rover, struggled at Luton, good connections in the game at all levels. equally strong characters which is going back to Darren fergusons days. I'd say highly rated and poss waiting for a championship club role rather than rovers
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What I don't understand with wellens is the attraction to him. Yep great player for this club, yep did well for Swinton in LG 2. But that's about it, jumped fir a big money move to his mates and failed there. Seems very much like alot of our old managers plus I'm not sure what, if any connections he has in the game.
Graham Jones, if applied is an interesting one. Another ex rover, struggled at Luton, good connections in the game at all levels. equally strong characters which is going back to Darren fergusons days. I'd say highly rated and poss waiting for a championship club role rather than rovers
Wellens didn’t fail at Salford.
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What I don't understand with wellens is the attraction to him. Yep great player for this club, yep did well for Swinton in LG 2. But that's about it, jumped fir a big money move to his mates and failed there. Seems very much like alot of our old managers plus I'm not sure what, if any connections he has in the game.
Graham Jones, if applied is an interesting one. Another ex rover, struggled at Luton, good connections in the game at all levels. equally strong characters which is going back to Darren fergusons days. I'd say highly rated and poss waiting for a championship club role rather than rovers
Wellens started out at Man Utd, his Son is in the academy there, he will be well connected at Man Utd, and I’m sure he’ll have connections elsewhere
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He did not fail at Salford but he came up against a very overbearing Gary Neville who few would be allowed to cross swords with.
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He was there 4 months and won a cup final before being axed for refusing to compromise and play hoofball. If that's failure then there aren't many successful managers out there, that's for sure!
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Rightly or wrongly, the style of football was questioned by Neville and co. due to poor results in the short term (18 points from the previous 16 games).
A stupid short-termist sacking in my view, but still, if Richie had been winning every week playing nice football he'd still be manager of Salford.
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They wanted him to change his style as they weren't getting the results they wanted
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Rightly or wrongly, the style of football was questioned by Neville and co. due to poor results in the short term (18 points from the previous 16 games).
A stupid short-termist sacking in my view, but still, if Richie had been winning every week playing nice football he'd still be manager of Salford.
They thought he may be wrong trying to play football on the shocking L2 pitches.
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We'll be fine at home then next season.
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Wellens and Robinson both on the shortlist then. I'd be happy with either of these two.
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Where is the fabled shortlist please, where has the leak come from
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This isn't from the names the72 mentions, is it? 3 of their 5 have been ruled out so you can take it with a pinch of salt.
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Wellens and Robinson both on the shortlist then. I'd be happy with either of these two.
Wellens has No credentials and I do not see why we should be used as HIS next failure!!
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SO'D would have never got off the ground at Salford, or many other clubs come to that, as his initial results at Rovers were poor as he worked towards getting the team to play a different style of football.
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I’m just a little confused (doesn’t take much) that there is a shortlist when we haven’t completed interviews, or have I missed something
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I’m just a little confused (doesn’t take much) that there is a shortlist when we haven’t completed interviews, or have I missed something
Pretty sure the shortlist was drawn up from the original applicants and used to determine who would be invited for interview. We’re part way through interviewing the candidates on that shortlist. That will be done by the end of today, and then ‘successful’ candidates will be invited back for a second stage interview and testing.
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J I think people are inferring they know who is on the final shortlist of 2-3
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Wellens and Robinson both on the shortlist then. I'd be happy with either of these two.
Wellens has No credentials and I do not see why we should be used as HIS next failure!!
Failures?
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J I think people are inferring they know who is on the final shortlist of 2-3
Right I see, well it’s entirely plausible that some of the candidates interviewed last week impressed sufficiently to be shortlisted for the final stage, and now we wait to see if anyone from today’s round will join them.
Reading between the lines, it feels like Wellens and Robinson are already through to the last stage, and that those under consideration today (currently employed elsewhere) aren’t necessarily reflected in the betting.
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Whoever gets the job I am not that fussed, if I had a choice I would be after Nigel Clough who is already in a job, so probably a non starter.
Whoever does get the job I will be fully supportive of, as most on here even with preferred choices who may not get the job will be.
When they get the job whoever it is, they will be working for a good club, with as much backing as the owners can provide, will be left alone to do their thing,and if past selected managers are anything to go by could well go on to bigger things if they show promise and the ability to drive our club on.
So that is the attraction of managing Doncaster Rovers, you will be left alone to do your thing by the board, you will get as much support as possible finance wise, and will not face the sack on the first sign of a drop in results if past records are taken into consideration, and unusually in football will be given time to build the playing side into a competitive unit, and will inherit a good staff.
All we need to do now is get on with it, which we are doing, and then the job of rebuilding, so lots to look forward to.
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Thanks Jonathan, yeah that makes sense, it just seemed as though some people were floating the shortlist as though we had finished the first round. In all interviewing processes I have been involved with we wouldn’t draw up a list until all of the stage ones were concluded
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Liam Hoden has confirmed, based on someone showing him that crap 72 article, that Stephen Robinson is on the list with Wellens. The other three from that article have already been ruled out.
I would be happy with either of them, personally.
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https://the72.co.uk/234429/an-updated-five-candidates-for-the-doncaster-rovers-job/
Would like to see Robinson given a chance. Just been thinking; reckon Paul Lambert could be a candidate?
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Liam Hoden has confirmed, based on someone showing him that crap 72 article, that Stephen Robinson is on the list with Wellens. The other three from that article have already been ruled out.
I would be happy with either of them, personally.
Sounds like he's ruled out Graeme Jones too. That's good.
Not so keen on Robinson personally due to style of play.
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Wellens and Robinson both on the shortlist then. I'd be happy with either of these two.
Wellens has No credentials and I do not see why we should be used as HIS next failure!!
Bit harsh....are you going to say this for every candidate that gets put through until one you like is?
Which then lends itself to the question....who would you prefer ???
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I forget who was pushing the Cowleys but they have just been appointed permanently at Portsmouth.
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
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Whoever gets the job I am not that fussed, if I had a choice I would be after Nigel Clough who is already in a job, so probably a non starter.
Whoever does get the job I will be fully supportive of, as most on here even with preferred choices who may not get the job will be.
When they get the job whoever it is, they will be working for a good club, with as much backing as the owners can provide, will be left alone to do their thing,and if past selected managers are anything to go by could well go on to bigger things if they show promise and the ability to drive our club on.
So that is the attraction of managing Doncaster Rovers, you will be left alone to do your thing by the board, you will get as much support as possible finance wise, and will not face the sack on the first sign of a drop in results if past records are taken into consideration, and unusually in football will be given time to build the playing side into a competitive unit, and will inherit a good staff.
All we need to do now is get on with it, which we are doing, and then the job of rebuilding, so lots to look forward to.
Plus you'll get the benefit of a terrific group of supporters!
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
Still ongoing.
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Seems like Wellens is Bradford fans' first choice for their manager too.
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
Still ongoing.
Still ongoing as in into this evening or into another day? Are we still hoping to hold the second stage on Wednesday with a view to appointing this week?
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Got to be Parky surely. If you just want promotion but aren’t bothered about how it’s done, then he’s your man. Get your neck brace ready though and make sure you have lots of young players to rely on if things turn bad!!
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Got to be Parky surely. If you just want promotion but aren’t bothered about how it’s done, then he’s your man. Get your neck brace ready though and make sure you have lots of young players to rely on if things turn bad!!
Already stated it isn’t him
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
Still ongoing.
Still ongoing as in into this evening or into another day? Are we still hoping to hold the second stage on Wednesday with a view to appointing this week?
As into the evening. I’ll get a catch up shortly.
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
Still ongoing.
Still ongoing as in into this evening or into another day? Are we still hoping to hold the second stage on Wednesday with a view to appointing this week?
As into the evening. I’ll get a catch up shortly.
Shortly as in today? Tommorow?
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
Still ongoing.
Still ongoing as in into this evening or into another day? Are we still hoping to hold the second stage on Wednesday with a view to appointing this week?
As into the evening. I’ll get a catch up shortly.
Shortly as in today? Tommorow?
Toyota.
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
Still ongoing.
Still ongoing as in into this evening or into another day? Are we still hoping to hold the second stage on Wednesday with a view to appointing this week?
As into the evening. I’ll get a catch up shortly.
Shortly as in today? Tommorow?
Shortly as on when he's got the time. Talk about demanding
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Morning everyone,
Yesterdays interviews went really well, and the club have now identified 3 great candidates for the role. These will be interviewed on Thursday with a view to appoint asap after that. The plan is to appoint on Thursday if possible, but this may spill over into Friday.
My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two, and that it will take some serious consideration as to determine which one will be the ideal candidate.
All applicants have also done an assessment of the existing playing squad, so once in post they would be making decisions on what the shape of the recruitment process looks like in very quick time.
Fingers crossed it all works out the way we would all like!
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Great, thanks for the update SM
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Cheers Martin
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Wellens, Robinson, and another? Nicky Butt maybe?
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Morning everyone,
Yesterdays interviews went really well, and the club have now identified 3 great candidates for the role. These will be interviewed on Thursday with a view to appoint asap after that. The plan is to appoint on Thursday if possible, but this may spill over into Friday.
My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two, and that it will take some serious consideration as to determine which one will be the ideal candidate.
All applicants have also done an assessment of the existing playing squad, so once in post they would be making decisions on what the shape of the recruitment process looks like in very quick time.
Fingers crossed it all works out the way we would all like!
I always feel a bit sorry for the guys who go the distance through the process, do all the background work on the club and the squad, and are then unsuccessful.
I know it's just the way the cookie crumbles, but they have my sympathy.
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Wellens, Robinson, and another? Nicky Butt maybe?
I hope it's not Nicky Butt. It's bad enough losing managers once they've proven themselves with us, but Nicky Butt would definitely be head hunted once results go well for him.
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Is Nicky Butt a director of Salford if so he can’t manage another league club
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I would be fine with us potentially appointing Leftfield.
Considerable boost to the half-time entertainment.
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Are the lads still training or are they done? Just wondering when the new manager would meet the squad?
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I wonder how left field? Female maybe?
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Morning everyone,
Yesterdays interviews went really well, and the club have now identified 3 great candidates for the role. These will be interviewed on Thursday with a view to appoint asap after that. The plan is to appoint on Thursday if possible, but this may spill over into Friday.
My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two, and that it will take some serious consideration as to determine which one will be the ideal candidate.
All applicants have also done an assessment of the existing playing squad, so once in post they would be making decisions on what the shape of the recruitment process looks like in very quick time.
Fingers crossed it all works out the way we would all like!
Fingers crossed indeed SM.
It will be nice to feel that we are pushing on with the rebuild.
Something to look forward to I hope.
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Brian Barry-Murphy just creeped into the bookies odds, I know nothing about his style of play at Rochdale.
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To be honest apart from Wellens and Robinson everyone is left field because nobody has a Scooby!
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Brian Barry-Murphy just creeped into the bookies odds, I know nothing about his style of play at Rochdale.
Not saying he isn't a candidate - although he signed up for a new contract until June 2022 in March this year.
https://www.the42.ie/rochdale-apologise-for-withholding-news-of-brian-barry-murphys-new-contract-5394912-Mar2021/
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Hope the leftfield isnt Holloway.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/update-on-doncaster-rovers-manager-search-as-first-round-of-interviews-is-completed-3232087
"One candidate has not been listed on the betting market throughout the process.
Two are currently out of work with the other employed within the Football League."
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Hope the leftfield isnt Holloway.
Why would he be left field?
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Brian Barry-Murphy just creeped into the bookies odds, I know nothing about his style of play at Rochdale.
As far as I'm aware he plays open, attractive football. The issue is you could score 3 in a game but fear you could concede 4. I might be wrong, not seen/read that much about them
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Hope the leftfield isnt Holloway.
Why would he be left field?
Apologies Martin i always though left field meant strange, and Holloway is certainly strange.
My mistake.
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Keith hill been sacked today, and they’re in the playoffs
Makes you think he could’ve gone for an interview somewhere else behind tranmeres back and they’ve found out
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I see we interviewed 5 because two that were in work dropped out before being interviewed. Therefore the one selected will have the full backing of the board and gone through the process.
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Couple dropped out of there own accord after the first round of interviews, their loss
Hoping that the left field one is a young up and comer, a Liam Rosenior type!
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Interesting that 2 elected to withdraw from consideration. Would those be the 2 who we delayed the process for?
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Brian Barry-Murphy just creeped into the bookies odds, I know nothing about his style of play at Rochdale.
He fits the bill of being employed. I like him, definitely wouldn’t be disappointed.
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Keith hill been sacked today, and they’re in the playoffs
Makes you think he could’ve gone for an interview somewhere else behind tranmeres back and they’ve found out
I feel there's more to it. A lot of Tranmere fans seem glad he's gone
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Hope the leftfield isnt Holloway.
Why would he be left field?
Apologies Martin i always though left field meant strange, and Holloway is certainly strange.
My mistake.
No worries. Of course it does mean strange but not in this context.
When I say one of the candidates is left field it just means you wouldn't be able to see a history of management experience, a bit like McCann when he had very little actual managerial experience to rely on, but yet his enthusiasm and confidence convinced everyone he could do the job.
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Interesting that 2 elected to withdraw from consideration. Would those be the 2 who we delayed the process for?
Based on SM's post their was more than one interview yesterday, and they were only for those that couldn't attend previously.
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Liam Rosenior could be a shout - although if successful - we may have the same problem re - being poached by 'bigger' clubs
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Jobi McAnuff?
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Liam Rosenior could be a shout - although if successful - we may have the same problem re - being poached by 'bigger' clubs
Definitely... Being touted for the England U-21 job
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Keith hill been sacked today, and they’re in the playoffs
Makes you think he could’ve gone for an interview somewhere else behind tranmeres back and they’ve found out
I feel there's more to it. A lot of Tranmere fans seem glad he's gone
Their forum says the same - glad to see him go - even though they're in the play-offs
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Keith hill been sacked today, and they’re in the playoffs
Makes you think he could’ve gone for an interview somewhere else behind tranmeres back and they’ve found out
I feel there's more to it. A lot of Tranmere fans seem glad he's gone
Their forum says the same - glad to see him go - even though they're in the play-offs
Have any of their fans said the Tranmere board don’t want promotion?
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Fowler in talks....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57069145
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Keith hill was sacked for a run of 2 wins in the last 11 games
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Keith hill was sacked for a run of 2 wins in the last 11 games
He was originally appointed to the end of this season but I believe it was written into his contract that he was guaranteed another season if they won promotion.
Maybe the Chairman didn't want that to happen?
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My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two,
Leon Trotsky? Owen Jones?
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Question for Silent Majority (if you can answer).
Did any women apply for the job ?
I can ask. It's not a question that's cropped up before.
Were the final first round interviews completed today?
Still ongoing.
Still ongoing as in into this evening or into another day? Are we still hoping to hold the second stage on Wednesday with a view to appointing this week?
As into the evening. I’ll get a catch up shortly.
Shortly as in today? Tommorow?
Shortly as on when he's got the time. Talk about demanding
It was a simple question, I like many others appreciate the effort and honesty that comes from SM liasing with the club.
Don't be such a arsehole. People on this forum just love little sideswipe at people, easy I suppose when sat behind a keyboard under a hidden name.
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- It's not Keith Hill
- It's not a woman
- It's not Nicky Butt
- It's not Brian Barry-Murphy
- It's not David Wagner
- It's not Aidy Boothroyd
- It's not Liam Rosenior
From Hoden.
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An assistant or coach at a Championship club perhaps?
If not Rosenior then maybe someone like Eustace at QPR? Seems to have had a good record with Kidderminster at a lower level.
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The two in work managers may be Heckingbottom and Mellon. There have been that many I can’t remember if they’ve been ruled out!
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Seems like Wellens is Bradford fans' first choice for their manager too.
I propose we have whip round to help pay his taxi to Bradford …
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The two in work managers may be Heckingbottom and Mellon. There have been that many I can’t remember if they’ve been ruled out!
Holden said the other day Mellon is not in the running.
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I think he has discounted most in the betting market as well
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Neil harris
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Some of these names make me beg we go for Wellens.
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Hopefully only a couple more days and we’ll all know who it is.
Then we can get on with the next guessing game of which players we’ll keep/release and which players we’ll sign and who’s “worth a punt”
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I think it's two out of Wellens, Stephen Robinson and Graeme Jones, my guess being the first two, plus the so far unmentioned, leftfield candidate, who I don't have a clue about. Hansi Flick perhaps?
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It's not Jones.
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I think Butler would be pretty left of field
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
What about Asians? Or those of middle eastern descent?
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
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Exactly PDX. The intent is fine. But the law is still an ass. Pygmies? Hobgoblins? 3 legged circus freaks?
BobG
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
What about Asians? Or those of middle eastern descent?
are you picking bones mate
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
If it was what you said I wouldn't have replied pointing out that one had to have applied.
Mind you, I should also point out that it isn't the law either.
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My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two,
Leon Trotsky? Owen Jones?
Definitely not Keir Starmer.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
If it was what you said I wouldn't have replied pointing out that one had to have applied.
Mind you, I should also point out that it isn't the law either.
nit picking
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Exactly PDX. The intent is fine. But the law is still an ass. Pygmies? Hobgoblins? 3 legged circus freaks?
BobG
We could play a three legged circus freak upfront.
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My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two,
Leon Trotsky? Owen Jones?
Our defenders will hopefully improve their marxing.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
Man Friday? :chair: :chair:
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My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two,
Leon Trotsky? Owen Jones?
Definitely not Keir Starmer.
Yeah.
We want a proper leader.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
What about Asians? Or those of middle eastern descent?
are you picking bones mate
Not at all. Just wondered if this stipulation applies to all ethnicities, so it’s fully inclusive.
If so, I’d like to see David Yip interviewed.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
If it was what you said I wouldn't have replied pointing out that one had to have applied.
Mind you, I should also point out that it isn't the law either.
nit picking
Correcting.
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You know it includes all other people
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
If it was what you said I wouldn't have replied pointing out that one had to have applied.
Mind you, I should also point out that it isn't the law either.
nit picking
Correcting.
you are correcting nothing. You don’t like me so just making a point thank you
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I have no feelings about you whatsoever.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
If it was what you said I wouldn't have replied pointing out that one had to have applied.
Mind you, I should also point out that it isn't the law either.
Given that there are lots of black profesional footballers and hardly any black professional football managers, I don't think it's asking too much to at least give someone the opportunity of an interview if they apply.
Not that I think it's an issue at the Rovers, I'm sure they give it to whoever they feel is the best candidate.
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So much drama. Love it.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
If it was what you said I wouldn't have replied pointing out that one had to have applied.
Mind you, I should also point out that it isn't the law either.
Given that there are lots of black profesional footballers and hardly any black professional football managers, I don't think it's asking too much to at least give someone the opportunity of an interview if they apply.
Not that I think it's an issue at the Rovers, I'm sure they give it to whoever they feel is the best candidate.
I don't think it's an issue at Rovers either seeing who our last fulltime manager was.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
You only have to guarantee at least one black person an interview if any apply.
that is what I said
If it was what you said I wouldn't have replied pointing out that one had to have applied.
Mind you, I should also point out that it isn't the law either.
Given that there are lots of black profesional footballers and hardly any black professional football managers, I don't think it's asking too much to at least give someone the opportunity of an interview if they apply.
Not that I think it's an issue at the Rovers, I'm sure they give it to whoever they feel is the best candidate.
I don't think it's an issue at Rovers either seeing who our last fulltime manager was.
The irony being, that appointment turned out not to be a great one.
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Whoever gets the job from this point will have clearly put the work in to impress the panel. I know he’s perceived as potentially risky based on previous events at the club, but I can’t help thinking Wellens would be a great fit as manager here and I hope it’s him. If it’s not then I’ll get right behind the other choice.
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The law states that you to interview a black individual so has one been and gone or has he got to this next stage we will see Friday or early next week
What about Asians? Or those of middle eastern descent?
Most ridiculous rule ever, let's also interview someone who's gay, a transgender, a women and whoever else you can think of as not to offend the pc brigade.
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Cliff Byrne the left field one SM?
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Is Ted Lasso available? Seen as though he got relegated... be my left field choice
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Cliff Byrne. No thanks.
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My leftfield choice would be Neil Barnes or Paul Daley, or both.
We’d have to seriously upgrade the PA system though.
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Exactly PDX. The intent is fine. But the law is still an ass. Pygmies? Hobgoblins? 3 legged circus freaks?
BobG
We could play a three legged circus freak upfront.
Jake the Peg making a come back?
COYR
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Cliff Byrne the left field one SM?
He always came across well as part of the McCann team. When McCann left I wish he’d stayed to take it on, but oh well.
I can see the argument for a young and enthusiastic coach like Byrne. But I’m still in team Wellens.
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My understanding is that one of those is more 'left field' than the other two,
Leon Trotsky? Owen Jones?
Our defenders will hopefully improve their marxing.
Groucho Anderson?
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Seems like Wellens is Bradford fans' first choice for their manager too.
I propose we have whip round to help pay his taxi to Bradford …
I’ll donate to that
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Would prefer ROK to Byrne.
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I would think a ‘left field’ appointment is the last thing we need, considering what we’ve witnessed over the last few months! He may well have impressed everyone during his interview, but it’s hardly going to be something that the players can identify with.
And, we have to attract some serious quality to the Club if we’re to have any chance of competing at all next season!
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It’s hard to define “ serious quality”
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What date is this being dragged out until now?
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Cliff Byrne the left field one SM?
No, not him.
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What date is this being dragged out until now?
Now Friday I believe .............. but I'm not sure which Friday...
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I would think a ‘left field’ appointment is the last thing we need, considering what we’ve witnessed over the last few months! He may well have impressed everyone during his interview, but it’s hardly going to be something that the players can identify with.
And, we have to attract some serious quality to the Club if we’re to have any chance of competing at all next season!
What absolute nonsense Alan.
Without any knowledge whatsoever you've managed to pull out a negative!
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Exactly PDX. The intent is fine. But the law is still an ass. Pygmies? Hobgoblins? 3 legged circus freaks?
BobG
We could play a three legged circus freak upfront.
At least he wouldn't get nutmegged easily.
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we need someone with leadership qualities ...a no nonsense guy like Wellens would be the right man at this juncture when everything on the playing side is broken .Everything !
We don’t need an orator who can impress by charms and displays of passion at an interview .Andy Butler knew what script to read from too but jeez he has proven to be no leader of men in battle .Football is beautiful but not when it turns out to look like it does in this club right now .
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But we don't need someone who can (whether they intend to or not) rub people up the wrong way and possibly lose the dressing room. You have to have the right people skills to know when to use the stick and when to use a carrot, and it's a fine balancing act.
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we need someone with leadership qualities ...a no nonsense guy like Wellens would be the right man at this juncture when everything on the playing side is broken .Everything !
We don’t need an orator who can impress by charms and displays of passion at an interview .Andy Butler knew what script to read from too but jeez he has proven to be no leader of men in battle .Football is beautiful but not when it turns out to look like it does in this club right now .
I think you are being a little unfair on Butler. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink about sums up Butler and the players.
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Mark Bonner. Doing a good job at Cambridge.
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Well if he gets the Bradford job that puts pay to more speculation
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Mark Bonner. Doing a good job at Cambridge.
Just signed a new contract I think.
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I can't find anything online with regards to odds on our next manager but has Quinton Fortune featured in the betting at all?
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Steven Reid has entered the betting list. Currently involved in the Scotland setup and has previously coached at WBA.
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Steven Reid has entered the betting list. Currently involved in the Scotland setup and has previously coached at WBA.
He seems to change coaching jobs annually, we want someone without that tendency.
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Has anyone mentioned Brian Stock - currently managing Weymouth.
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Has anyone mentioned Brian Stock - currently managing Weymouth.
I’ve mentioned him! But that doesn’t narrow it down!
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I can't find anything online with regards to odds on our next manager but has Quinton Fortune featured in the betting at all?
That's a shout.
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Has anyone mentioned Brian Stock - currently managing Weymouth.
I’ve mentioned him! But that doesn’t narrow it down!
Cant be Stocky. Free Press post today says the 3 candidates remaining involve 2 who are out of work and 1 who is currently employed within the EFL. I think that its somebody who is either an assistant or in a coaching role.
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I can't find anything online with regards to odds on our next manager but has Quinton Fortune featured in the betting at all?
That's a shout.
It could well be... First team coach at Reading and would seemingly fit the bill.
Although there's many who it could be, we may never know.
I still think Wellens will get it.
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Has anyone mentioned Brian Stock - currently managing Weymouth.
I’ve mentioned him! But that doesn’t narrow it down!
Cant be Stocky. Free Press post today says the 3 candidates remaining involve 2 who are out of work and 1 who is currently employed within the EFL. I think that its somebody who is either an assistant or in a coaching role.
That’s true. John Eustace was heavily linked last time wasn’t he? Decent record in the non league with Kidderminster and a respected coach now in the EFL.
Just throwing out names really! But maybe he’d fit the bill.
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The three people leaving the keepmoat this week are as follows
1) Ritchie Wellens
2) Ste Robinson
3) Paulo Torres
Talking is cheap. Time for the business to conclude
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The three people leaving the keepmoat this week are as follows
1) Ritchie Wellens
2) Ste Robinson
3) Paulo Torres
Talking is cheap. Time for the business to conclude
Why would they have been at the Keepmoat? I thought the interviews were being done online..?
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The three people leaving the keepmoat this week are as follows
1) Ritchie Wellens
2) Ste Robinson
3) Paulo Torres
Talking is cheap. Time for the business to conclude
Paulo Torres
That would be an odd one, current manager of an Angolan side?
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The three people leaving the keepmoat this week are as follows
1) Ritchie Wellens
2) Ste Robinson
3) Paulo Torres
Talking is cheap. Time for the business to conclude
Paulo Torres
That would be an odd one, current manager of an Angolan side?
Left field then ?
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The three people leaving the keepmoat this week are as follows
1) Ritchie Wellens
2) Ste Robinson
3) Paulo Torres
Talking is cheap. Time for the business to conclude
Paulo Torres
That would be an odd one, current manager of an Angolan side?
Left field then ?
Definitely left field mate but I thought it’s been said the third candidate is working in the EFL?
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The three people leaving the keepmoat this week are as follows
1) Ritchie Wellens
2) Ste Robinson
3) Paulo Torres
Talking is cheap. Time for the business to conclude
Paulo Torres
That would be an odd one, current manager of an Angolan side?
Left field then ?
Definitely left field mate but I thought it’s been said the third candidate is working in the EFL?
And little management experience.
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Huge shout from Kendrick Lamar.
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The three people leaving the keepmoat this week are as follows
1) Ritchie Wellens
2) Ste Robinson
3) Paulo Torres
Talking is cheap. Time for the business to conclude
Which one is currently employed within the EFL?
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The more i read and watch interviews of Stephen Robinson the more i believe hes our man. Rebuilt a squad at Motherwell and was very successful in what he did there. The owners loved him amd so did the fans. I think he suits us and what we are looking for down to the ground.
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we need someone with leadership qualities ...a no nonsense guy like Wellens would be the right man at this juncture when everything on the playing side is broken .Everything !
We don’t need an orator who can impress by charms and displays of passion at an interview .Andy Butler knew what script to read from too but jeez he has proven to be no leader of men in battle .Football is beautiful but not when it turns out to look like it does in this club right now .
When Wellens left Swindon they were 20th (after 12 games of which they won 3). Did he not shout loud enough?
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The more i read and watch interviews of Stephen Robinson the more i believe hes our man. Rebuilt a squad at Motherwell and was very successful in what he did there. The owners loved him amd so did the fans. I think he suits us and what we are looking for down to the ground.
The football isn't pretty though.
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The more i read and watch interviews of Stephen Robinson the more i believe hes our man. Rebuilt a squad at Motherwell and was very successful in what he did there. The owners loved him amd so did the fans. I think he suits us and what we are looking for down to the ground.
I’d be happy with Robinson having read into his Motherwell record.
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The more i read and watch interviews of Stephen Robinson the more i believe hes our man. Rebuilt a squad at Motherwell and was very successful in what he did there. The owners loved him amd so did the fans. I think he suits us and what we are looking for down to the ground.
The football isn't pretty though.
Is there a source for this or have you personally watched them? I have looked at clips on youtube but cant really tell from highlights.
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The more i read and watch interviews of Stephen Robinson the more i believe hes our man. Rebuilt a squad at Motherwell and was very successful in what he did there. The owners loved him amd so did the fans. I think he suits us and what we are looking for down to the ground.
The football isn't pretty though.
Is there a source for this or have you personally watched them? I have looked at clips on youtube but cant really tell from highlights.
Feel free to ask the Motherwell forum.
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Definitely more of a battling team than stunning football. But it was effective.
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Definitely more of a battling team than stunning football. But it was effective.
I think I might be ready for that style again, I was bored shitless at times with Moore.
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He signed Curtis Main...
That aside, and concerns over style of play notwithstanding, he’s a credible candidate. Not before Wellens though, in my opinion.
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Has anyone mentioned Sol Campbell as a possibility? Hasn’t done too badly in management so far.
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Robertson for me if his name is in the hat. Wellens would be another Butleresque appointment. He needs to earn some stripes first before moving up to league 1 in my opinion. His time will come but needs to not be Mr big b*llocks.
What Robertson did at motherwell is what we need and would be a very good appointment
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Just read on their forum that he worked on one of the lowest budgets in the league which amazes me as I thought Motherwell would be up there behind Celtic and Rangers. If he can put forward a team that has heart and fights for each other then for me he gets it. I cant say I have been blown away with any teams style of play this season and it cant be worse than the 12/13 style of play and we all know what happened there. We were once spoilt by SOD and I think we have all expected that football since but after the last 2yrs i just wanna see some bo!!ocks about us.
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Robertson for me if his name is in the hat. Wellens would be another Butleresque appointment. He needs to earn some stripes first before moving up to league 1 in my opinion. His time will come but needs to not be Mr big b*llocks.
What Robertson did at motherwell is what we need and would be a very good appointment
Wellens has managed 156 football league matches butler had managed 0
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Isn't promotion from League Two and winning the EFL Trophy "earning stripes".
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Isn't promotion from League Two and winning the EFL Trophy "earning stripes".
He hasn't won the premiership or the champions league though. :headbang:
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Definitely more of a battling team than stunning football. But it was effective.
I think I might be ready for that style again, I was bored shitless at times with Moore.
Me too mush.
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He might bring a rejuvenated Devante Cole !
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He signed Curtis Main...
That aside, and concerns over style of play notwithstanding, he’s a credible candidate. Not before Wellens though, in my opinion.
He might bring Curtis.
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Who are the final three for the interview Thursday? Robinson, Wellens and...
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/stephen-robinson-doncaster-rovers-final-24088784
2 of them seem pretty clear. Who's the third man?
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It's like bloody Line of Duty this.
Is the third man H?
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The more I read about Robinson the more I like him. Add the third man into the mix and the board have a tough decision on their hands.
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Gotta be Richie. I've had a dream.
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Hopefully he brings this guy, we need some midfield bite
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/allan-campbell-where-next-for-motherwell-midfielder-linked-with-hibs-aberdeen-and-english-clubs-3232222%3famp
He might bring a rejuvenated Devante Cole !
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Isn't promotion from League Two and winning the EFL Trophy "earning stripes".
If he had stayed at Swindon and kept them up, maybe.
Tbh I just think he will cause more problems than solve.
He's an abrasive character which I think internally will work against us. Externally would make a change but a one season wonder at Swindon dies not mean he's earnt his stripes for me.
Neither men fill me with huge amounts of enthusiasm but Robinson edges it for me based on what ge achieved at motherwell and how highly the fans speak of him there
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Isn't promotion from League Two and winning the EFL Trophy "earning stripes".
If he had stayed at Swindon and kept them up, maybe.
Tbh I just think he will cause more problems than solve.
He's an abrasive character which I think internally will work against us. Externally would make a change but a one season wonder at Swindon dies not mean he's earnt his stripes for me.
Neither men fill me with huge amounts of enthusiasm but Robinson edges it for me based on what ge achieved at motherwell and how highly the fans speak of him there
Don’t think you will find too many decent managers that aren’t abrasive characters. It’s a big requirement for the job.
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You can’t go off what the Motherwell fans say about him but disregard what the Swindon fans say about wellens
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You can if you think you’re god-like.
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It's like bloody Line of Duty this.
Is the third man H?
Hope our ending is a lot better
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Disappointed not to have tips on the new guy from Sammy Chung Was King.
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we need someone with leadership qualities ...a no nonsense guy like Wellens would be the right man at this juncture when everything on the playing side is broken .Everything !
We don’t need an orator who can impress by charms and displays of passion at an interview .Andy Butler knew what script to read from too but jeez he has proven to be no leader of men in battle .Football is beautiful but not when it turns out to look like it does in this club right now .
I think you are being a little unfair on Butler. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink about sums up Butler and the players.
Actually, you can. But it takes two people and the horse must be male.
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Not sure the Motherwell fans were that bothered with Robinson.....
Some quotes... from their forum
"I wish we got shot of Robinson sooner tbh good chance we would be in the top six right now it was about 6 weeks too late"
"especially how things were looking before Christmas and before Robinson left, we’ve actually done okay this season"
"I think the time to judge Alexander is when he has his own players in and not the dross that Robinson and Foyle have left him"
"Alexander's job was to keep us up and do so working with Robinson's awful legacy"
"It could simply been a case of extremely poor recruitment by Robinson. Let’s face it, the last three summer transfer windows have been utterly abysmal when you think of some of the dross Robinson was allowed to bring in and that was reflected by the on field product which was dismal"
It's all subjective I guess............. but I hope it's the left field guy...
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Having read a bit about Robinson myself it seems he jumped ship when the going got tough. Is this the type of character we need?
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Having read a bit about Robinson myself it seems he jumped ship when the going got tough. Is this the type of character we need?
Any different to the last one?
I think he makes some fair and refreshing points. Neither him nor wellens would be the perfect candidate. Both have positives and negatives. Wellens for example did well when he had a few good loan signings then it tailed off. But conversly he had them!
Robinson also tailed off towards the end (he openly talks about needing to move on after a few years, would that concern our board?). He makes a valid point on the budget in Scotland. All he could get are failed league 1 players at best as they can't compete.
Both candidates will have a number of questions over them. As Doncaster fans we have to accept that. We won't get the finished article (does such a thing exist?). Even the top managers have poor spells and good spells.
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IMO one big black mark against Robinson,he signed Curtis Main so he obviously thinks Main is a footballer also the references on the Motherwell fans forum about his poor recruitment.
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IMO one big black mark against Robinson,he signed Curtis Main so he obviously thinks Main is a footballer also the references on the Motherwell fans forum about his poor recruitment.
In his market was he the best he could get? He hints at that in an interview I read last night. Worth noting Main was sold on by them.
It's like Alfie may. He wasn't good enough for us but has been great for Cheltenham. It's all relative.
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IMO one big black mark against Robinson,he signed Curtis Main so he obviously thinks Main is a footballer also the references on the Motherwell fans forum about his poor recruitment.
In his market was he the best he could get? He hints at that in an interview I read last night. Worth noting Main was sold on by them.
It's like Alfie may. He wasn't good enough for us but has been great for Cheltenham. It's all relative.
I watched a similar interview with Robinson, he basically admits Motherwell were shopping at the bottom of the barrel due to funds, they had to sign players that couldn't get into LG1 and LG2 teams and sold them on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iOBViS6gBE
Not a bad watch
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
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Worth remembering at the time, I believe McCann was the left field candidate and most people on here - me included if i remember right - wanted Stuart McCall instead. Look how that turned out for both parties.
Just saying if it does end up being this third man, he must be a hell of a candidate to beat the other 2 and I hope he'll be given a chance!
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I wanted Appleton last time out.
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The other two whoever they are !!! I doubt they’ll be confirmation of who has got through
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John Eustace the third man?
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The worry with a leftfield candidate is that the level of rebuild we need here and the lack of experience they'll have of the transfer market and building a squad.
I'd be all for getting a talented coach without too much experience if it was just a case of tweaking the squad and injecting some new ideas/better coaching. Unfortunately we need a full rebuild and we won't be throwing loads of money at it (not a dig) so having experience of building a squad with limited resources is probably top of the priority list for me.
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Yes, depending on what is leftfield about the leftfield candidate, there may well be a need to build a different structure around them to support their strengths and weaknesses.
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Looks like Eustace is the third - matches with what Hoden says as he has just appeared in the betting as third fav.
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The worry with a leftfield candidate is that the level of rebuild we need here and the lack of experience they'll have of the transfer market and building a squad.
I'd be all for getting a talented coach without too much experience if it was just a case of tweaking the squad and injecting some new ideas/better coaching. Unfortunately we need a full rebuild and we won't be throwing loads of money at it (not a dig) so having experience of building a squad with limited resources is probably top of the priority list for me.
That's a good point although it could work if the coach is well respected and has contacts - much like when Snods took over we could be signing a few of his old team mates. Although hopefully not on the way to the first game of the season!
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Hi, Motherwell fan here.
I’ve been following this thread since I noticed Robinson was in the running for the job and thought I’d chip in since you seem to be talking about him at the moment (sorry for the length of the post but it might clear up some stuff you're chatting about).
The headlines of note with Robinson are he took us to two cup finals, brought in £6m+ in transfer revenue, cleared our external debt to previous owners, developed Academy players like Jake Hastie, James Scott, David Turnbull and to a lesser extent Allan Campbell, finished 3rd and qualified for Europe.
We had the 3rd best points total for the calendar year 2019 behind Celtic and Rangers, playing an attacking 433. If that sort of thing impresses you.
Overall he did a (very) good job here. He was parachuted in and kept us up. Gutted and rebuilt the squad, massively reduced the average age of the squad, took us to two cup finals, rebuilt the squad again, then did so again and finished 3rd and qualified for Europe.
We'd see dips in form but they were often mitigated by injuries to key players that we weren't able to replace from the back ups we had.
This season was slightly different it felt like a guy whose shelf life was up and he’s since said he realises that the ideal time to leave would have been last summer when he was interviewed for the Northern Ireland job (and it transpires also applied for the Bournemouth role).
I’d say there’s definitely a recency bias at play in some comments from Steelmen Online or Pie and Bovril (some folk just didn’t take to him from the minute he got the job so there’s that to take into account too).
This season saw him hit by a ton of injuries to key players (our injury list has been into double figures this season at points), we also had weird stuff like being awarded points by forfeit due to Covid postponements then having the points taken back off us. There are also a number of players who should be looking at themselves in the mirror because a fair number of them let Robinson down badly.
Honestly, I don't blame him for chucking it when he did. He seemed absolutely knackered. I don't know for certain but I've a feeling the restrictions around Covid made it difficult to coach as he would normally.
He’s by no means a perfect manager, if he was he wouldn’t have been managing Motherwell but he’s an experienced coach. He was involved with the NI youth set up and worked alongside Michael O'Neill at the Euros and generally he’s a pretty pragmatic manager.
Basically, he’ll work with what he has. The criticisms of his style are kind of overplayed. As I mentioned he pretty much built 3 “versions” of a Motherwell side in his time here. The first (which reached 2 Cup Finals) was a 352 that was physical and direct and made no apologies for being so. It was also a lot of fun to watch, who wouldn’t enjoy watching their team bully both Rangers and Aberdeen out of Hampden in two national cup semi-finals.
Unfortunately that side was found out pretty quickly and struggled the next season. Robinson admits himself that by the time our winter break came around we were pretty much unwatchable and needed to change. I’d say this is kind of where the “he doesn’t have a Plan B” comes into play.
His time at Motherwell saw him find something that worked then just stick with it until it didn’t then just blow it up and start again.
Which is what he did with the 352. He scrapped it completely and changed to an attacking 433 with David Turnbull and Allan Campbell pulling the strings in midfield and two quick, direct wingers in Jake Hastie and Gboly Ariyibi. Any Motherwell fan who says that wasn’t a good team to watch is, quite frankly, lying. We were loads of fun, quick wingers and the best young midfielders in the league running the show.
Such is the way at Motherwell that side had to be rebuilt again after Hastie moved to Rangers and Turnbull was ruled out for a season after his move to Celtic collapsed due to an issue picked up in a medical and a raft of players moved on. This time he stuck with the 433 we brought in Declan Gallagher (who subsequently became a Scotland international on Robinson’s watch) and oversaw another rebuild and that’s the team that finished 3rd.
In a way Motherwell was a perfect job for Robinson at the stage of his career that he was at.
He was coming off the back of a basket-case like Oldham and had a point to prove, he knew the club, the league and the majority of the players because he’d been our assistant the seasons before. He also had the backing of the board and providing he kept us up when he was parachuted in he had a complete blank canvas to work with and the freedom to do so without any interference from the the board or GM.
Which is why I’d be hesitant in saying he'd be a good/bad fit for Doncaster. It could probably go either way. Next season will be our 37th consecutive in the top flight of Scottish football (pub league, all your nans could score etc) but our expectations are probably very different to Doncaster who I'd assume are aiming for promotion.
In terms of signings when they were good they were very good Trevor Carson (ended up NI keeper), Cedric Kipre (sold to Wigan for £1m), Liam Donnelly (became a full NI international), Declan Gallagher (became a Scotland international)...most of the other signings were fine although I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a fair amount of dross came through the door as well.
One of his blind spots has been not getting enough goals out his strikers, he's keen on them being facilitators more than anything. A lot of our goals were spread around the team rather than coming from our centre forwards when we played with a 433.
We're currently at the top end of the form table since Graham Alexander took over in January and he's done that for the most part with the squad he inherited from Robinson so that should probably give you an idea that his signings weren't quite as bad as a lot of people would like to make out (Alexander also has Devante Cole on 10 goals in 19 games so make of that what you will).
All the best for next season whoever your manager is.
Also, there's a pretty extensive interview with Robinson here if you want to give it a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-IOIWrzI0
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Cheers bunkmoreland,excellent and most informative post,all the best to The Well for next season too.
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Third interviewee,Michael McIndoe?
He's Left midField
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Hi, Motherwell fan here.
I’ve been following this thread since I noticed Robinson was in the running for the job and thought I’d chip in since you seem to be talking about him at the moment (sorry for the length of the post but it might clear up some stuff you're chatting about).
The headlines of note with Robinson are he took us to two cup finals, brought in £6m+ in transfer revenue, cleared our external debt to previous owners, developed Academy players like Jake Hastie, James Scott, David Turnbull and to a lesser extent Allan Campbell, finished 3rd and qualified for Europe.
We had the 3rd best points total for the calendar year 2019 behind Celtic and Rangers, playing an attacking 433. If that sort of thing impresses you.
Overall he did a (very) good job here. He was parachuted in and kept us up. Gutted and rebuilt the squad, massively reduced the average age of the squad, took us to two cup finals, rebuilt the squad again, then did so again and finished 3rd and qualified for Europe.
We'd see dips in form but they were often mitigated by injuries to key players that we weren't able to replace from the back ups we had.
This season was slightly different it felt like a guy whose shelf life was up and he’s since said he realises that the ideal time to leave would have been last summer when he was interviewed for the Northern Ireland job (and it transpires also applied for the Bournemouth role).
I’d say there’s definitely a recency bias at play in some comments from Steelmen Online or Pie and Bovril (some folk just didn’t take to him from the minute he got the job so there’s that to take into account too).
This season saw him hit by a ton of injuries to key players (our injury list has been into double figures this season at points), we also had weird stuff like being awarded points by forfeit due to Covid postponements then having the points taken back off us. There are also a number of players who should be looking at themselves in the mirror because a fair number of them let Robinson down badly.
Honestly, I don't blame him for chucking it when he did. He seemed absolutely knackered. I don't know for certain but I've a feeling the restrictions around Covid made it difficult to coach as he would normally.
He’s by no means a perfect manager, if he was he wouldn’t have been managing Motherwell but he’s an experienced coach. He was involved with the NI youth set up and worked alongside Michael O'Neill at the Euros and generally he’s a pretty pragmatic manager.
Basically, he’ll work with what he has. The criticisms of his style are kind of overplayed. As I mentioned he pretty much built 3 “versions” of a Motherwell side in his time here. The first (which reached 2 Cup Finals) was a 352 that was physical and direct and made no apologies for being so. It was also a lot of fun to watch, who wouldn’t enjoy watching their team bully both Rangers and Aberdeen out of Hampden in two national cup semi-finals.
Unfortunately that side was found out pretty quickly and struggled the next season. Robinson admits himself that by the time our winter break came around we were pretty much unwatchable and needed to change. I’d say this is kind of where the “he doesn’t have a Plan B” comes into play.
His time at Motherwell saw him find something that worked then just stick with it until it didn’t then just blow it up and start again.
Which is what he did with the 352. He scrapped it completely and changed to an attacking 433 with David Turnbull and Allan Campbell pulling the strings in midfield and two quick, direct wingers in Jake Hastie and Gboly Ariyibi. Any Motherwell fan who says that wasn’t a good team to watch is, quite frankly, lying. We were loads of fun, quick wingers and the best young midfielders in the league running the show.
Such is the way at Motherwell that side had to be rebuilt again after Hastie moved to Rangers and Turnbull was ruled out for a season after his move to Celtic collapsed due to an issue picked up in a medical and a raft of players moved on. This time he stuck with the 433 we brought in Declan Gallagher (who subsequently became a Scotland international on Robinson’s watch) and oversaw another rebuild and that’s the team that finished 3rd.
In a way Motherwell was a perfect job for Robinson at the stage of his career that he was at.
He was coming off the back of a basket-case like Oldham and had a point to prove, he knew the club, the league and the majority of the players because he’d been our assistant the seasons before. He also had the backing of the board and providing he kept us up when he was parachuted in he had a complete blank canvas to work with and the freedom to do so without any interference from the the board or GM.
Which is why I’d be hesitant in saying he'd be a good/bad fit for Doncaster. It could probably go either way. Next season will be our 37th consecutive in the top flight of Scottish football (pub league, all your nans could score etc) but our expectations are probably very different to Doncaster who I'd assume are aiming for promotion.
In terms of signings when they were good they were very good Trevor Carson (ended up NI keeper), Cedric Kipre (sold to Wigan for £1m), Liam Donnelly (became a full NI international), Declan Gallagher (became a Scotland international)...most of the other signings were fine although I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a fair amount of dross came through the door as well.
One of his blind spots has been not getting enough goals out his strikers, he's keen on them being facilitators more than anything. A lot of our goals were spread around the team rather than coming from our centre forwards when we played with a 433.
We're currently at the top end of the form table since Graham Alexander took over in January and he's done that for the most part with the squad he inherited from Robinson so that should probably give you an idea that his signings weren't quite as bad as a lot of people would like to make out (Alexander also has Devante Cole on 10 goals in 19 games so make of that what you will).
All the best for next season whoever your manager is.
Also, there's a pretty extensive interview with Robinson here if you want to give it a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-IOIWrzI0
Great, informative post. Thanks for taking the time.
I personally would like to see Robinson given the role. What stands out for me is that he 'gutted' the Motherwell squad at the time - that is exactly what we're after over the Summer.
Seems he has an eye for young, upcoming talent? Again, this is what is needed at Rovers, especially with Copps retiring.
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That's a very informative post Bunkmoreland. Thanks for that. It really confirms that he probably would be a good fit at Rovers.
The club has a difficult choice I think, we have two good candidates and I suppose the mystery candidate must also be of a similar calibre.
It does look like their thorough and methodic approach to appointing managers pays dividends.
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The club has a difficult choice I think, we have two good candidates and I suppose the mystery candidate must also be of a similar calibre.
2 good candidates..... does that mean they will be off after one season. :crying:
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The club has a difficult choice I think, we have two good candidates and I suppose the mystery candidate must also be of a similar calibre.
2 good candidates..... does that mean they will be off after one season. :crying:
I would hope not but one thing is apparent in how they select managers. It seems to hone in on younger men. That means there is always the liklihood that being ambitious they will jump when a bigger job appears.
Someone who has been around a bit might appreciate the stability a job like Rovers offers more.
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Quote from: Alan Southstand on May 11, 2021, 06:36:05 pm
I would think a ‘left field’ appointment is the last thing we need, considering what we’ve witnessed over the last few months! He may well have impressed everyone during his interview, but it’s hardly going to be something that the players can identify with.
And, we have to attract some serious quality to the Club if we’re to have any chance of competing at all next season!
What absolute nonsense Alan.
Without any knowledge whatsoever you've managed to pull out a negative!
And yet, since I posted that, a couple of other posters have commented along similar lines, without any response from you!
I find that very strange.
At the end of the day, SM, it’s my opinion and you either take it or leave it. My post may have come over to you in the wrong way, but just by saying it’s nonsense doesn’t make your opinion correct. If you havn’t realised it yet, there’s quite a few (on the outside) really hurting and that doesn’t mean to say that people on the inside aren’t hurting either, but a little bit of understanding might not be a bad thing!
I clearly stated why I thought a ‘left field’ appointment was not what we needed, and that’s been muted by others, so perhaps it would be interesting to read why you think it would be good thing for DRFC, all things considered.
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
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John Eustace the third man?
Surely it must be Orson Welles :lol:
Sounds not a lot of difference between Wellens and Welles :blush:
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You can if you think you’re god-like.
Yep I can do what I want
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
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One hit wonder? Not enough for me there.
I can't understand why he's being interviewed but..............if he gets the job I will support him
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It's worth mentioning that while Wellens did win the Papa John's Trophy final with Salford he had no involvement in getting them there.
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I have no idea about the third man, but both Robinson and Wellens would do me, if he is as good a candidate as those two who seem to split the supporters on here, the board have a very difficult decision to make.
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Quote from: Alan Southstand on May 11, 2021, 06:36:05 pm
I would think a ‘left field’ appointment is the last thing we need, considering what we’ve witnessed over the last few months! He may well have impressed everyone during his interview, but it’s hardly going to be something that the players can identify with.
And, we have to attract some serious quality to the Club if we’re to have any chance of competing at all next season!
What absolute nonsense Alan.
Without any knowledge whatsoever you've managed to pull out a negative!
And yet, since I posted that, a couple of other posters have commented along similar lines, without any response from you!
I find that very strange.
At the end of the day, SM, it’s my opinion and you either take it or leave it. My post may have come over to you in the wrong way, but just by saying it’s nonsense doesn’t make your opinion correct. If you havn’t realised it yet, there’s quite a few (on the outside) really hurting and that doesn’t mean to say that people on the inside aren’t hurting either, but a little bit of understanding might not be a bad thing!
I clearly stated why I thought a ‘left field’ appointment was not what we needed, and that’s been muted by others, so perhaps it would be interesting to read why you think it would be good thing for DRFC, all things considered.
I think you need to read the responses again Alan, there's just one who thought that a more experienced manager might be needed for a full squad rebuild. And the opposite view has also been expressed where a left field candidate might have an advantage as in the likes of Grant McCann.
But let's face it Alan, you have a negative opinion of everything. And your post wasn't so much an opinion, not even a balanced one, but more a complete condemnation based on what? You quite clearly stated that he might have interviewed well but that's not what we need. Based on what?
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
I'm guessing with you saying that, he won't be getting the job then ?
I doubt you'd have a opinion so strong If Wellens even had a chance of getting the job.
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John Eustace the third man?
Surely it must be Orson Welles :lol:
Sounds not a lot of difference between Wellens and Welles :blush:
No it's Harry Lime.
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
Robinson it is then :blink:
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
Robinson it is then :blink:
Looks that way. No way would SM have such a stance on Wellens If there was any chance he would be getting the job.
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If it was to be Robinson that would extend our run of non-English managers and also capped internationals as managers. In both instances you have to go back to Dave Penney being appointed nearly two decades ago.
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SO’D was English. Still is.
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Played for Ireland though, which I think is what CBCB was referring to.
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Yes. I know that.
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
Lots of other people would though.
Why suddenly trashing Ritchie Wellens?
He ticks all the boxes, he's the obvious man for the job. But we're going to be "different" aren't we? Doing it the Rovers way, the hard way.
I'm now suffering for pessimism overload :(
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John Eustace has suddenly entered the betting at short odds, currently Assistant Manager at QPR
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
Lots of other people would though.
Why suddenly trashing Ritchie Wellens?
He ticks all the boxes, he's the obvious man for the job. But we're going to be "different" aren't we? Doing it the Rovers way, the hard way.
I'm now suffering for pessimism overload :(
I would too.
All I ever see on this forum is certain individuals trashing RW but nothing ever gets said as to why. People just say they know but either can't say or won't say.
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Played for Ireland though, which I think is what CBCB was referring to.
On the money.
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Wellens is definitely a club legend for Rovers. Brilliant player for us, played a major role in getting us promoted to the Championship and then keeping us in it. When he came back, it is widely considered that he was one of our best players and his late-season injury was a big factor in us slumping to relegation in 2014.
Also, our last manager was English. Darren Moore is an Englishman from Birmingham who has lived his entire life in this country. You can say he's Jamaican too, because clearly his heritage is Jamaican, but three international caps for them do not stop him from being English.
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
I'm guessing with you saying that, he won't be getting the job then ?
I doubt you'd have a opinion so strong If Wellens even had a chance of getting the job.
Sounds like it's just his opinion, not the boards thoughts.
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
I'm guessing with you saying that, he won't be getting the job then ?
I doubt you'd have a opinion so strong If Wellens even had a chance of getting the job.
Sounds like it's just his opinion, not the boards thoughts.
He isn't normally so outspoken and normally remains quite neutral I'd say. He does a great job.
I'd be extremely surprised If he get's the job following these comments- But I hope I am wrong.
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Louis Tomlinson could be the next manager for all I care as long as he does a good job.
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Re: Wellens. I’d say the (arguably) the best player in the best team we have had for an exceptionally long time (possibly ever) deserves some kind of legendary status.
The fact he may be abrasive and say things people may not want to hear isn’t necessarily a terrible thing. This is elite sport not comfort zone P.E lesson which is the impression I sometimes get from the clubs mentality.
Contrary to what some may think we are not making any real progress on the football side. Winning awards because players go and pat some school kids on the head is all well and good but we need a manager to drag us forward kicking and screaming. I think Wellens is capable of that, as I’m sure the other two candidates are. Not choosing someone because they may rock the boat and could potentially be too demanding and hard to manage would be madness.
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
I'm guessing with you saying that, he won't be getting the job then ?
I doubt you'd have a opinion so strong If Wellens even had a chance of getting the job.
Sounds like it's just his opinion, not the boards thoughts.
He isn't normally so outspoken and normally remains quite neutral I'd say. He does a great job.
I'd be extremely surprised If he get's the job following these comments- But I hope I am wrong.
I have to emphasise that this is my opinion based on certain things. Things I'm not really at liberty to discuss.
But I'm not doing the interviewing, the club are, so it's for the club to decide if he's the right man for the job.
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We cannot know whom 'ticks all the boxes' without interviewing them. We can't appoint managers based on our perception of them.
It seems reasonable to say that our recruitment process is rigorous enough to sort wheat from the chaff.
Just my opinion but describing Wellens as a club legend is stretching it a bit although there's no doubt he was an excellent player for us particularly in his first spell . I'm sure we'd like to think he'd favour our preferred brand of football and try to instill his winning mentality on the squad. Has he got sufficient tools including the man management skills, the temperament and the durability to achieve that, who knows.
What we hear about Robinson seems fairly positive but again, it's for the board to make the ultimate decision.
As we can see from the comments above, some will be pleased and some will be disappointed but, based on what?
We don't really have much choice than to support whomever is appointed and give them the courtesy of some time to stamp his mark on the squad.
It took SO'D some time to to get his philosophies across. Any new manager deserves the same.
There will be those who have already written their reaction to the appointment, no doubt containing the words 'Cheap option' and 'no ambition' however I think the majority of fair minded fans will give the man time.
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I do sympathise with SM. He can't make comments without people seeing them as what the board believe.
SM :- "Anderson is crap"
Someone on here :- "OMG the board hate Anderson and want rid."
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
I'm guessing with you saying that, he won't be getting the job then ?
I doubt you'd have a opinion so strong If Wellens even had a chance of getting the job.
Sounds like it's just his opinion, not the boards thoughts.
He isn't normally so outspoken and normally remains quite neutral I'd say. He does a great job.
I'd be extremely surprised If he get's the job following these comments- But I hope I am wrong.
I have to emphasise that this is my opinion based on certain things. Things I'm not really at liberty to discuss.
But I'm not doing the interviewing, the club are, so it's for the club to decide if he's the right man for the job.
Appreciate the response- I really do.
I understand it's difficult for you to say certain things but I can see just from your response that you are very much against Richie getting the job.
For what it's worth- I hope he does get it. I obviously don't know what you do.
I think Robinson is probably nailed on now though.
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the board hate Anderson and want rid."
Who told you that..... :ohmy:........... :whistle:
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
I'm guessing with you saying that, he won't be getting the job then ?
I doubt you'd have a opinion so strong If Wellens even had a chance of getting the job.
Sounds like it's just his opinion, not the boards thoughts.
He isn't normally so outspoken and normally remains quite neutral I'd say. He does a great job.
I'd be extremely surprised If he get's the job following these comments- But I hope I am wrong.
I have to emphasise that this is my opinion based on certain things. Things I'm not really at liberty to discuss.
But I'm not doing the interviewing, the club are, so it's for the club to decide if he's the right man for the job.
It’s hard to second guess in situations like this but I would imagine and major issues or indiscretions would have been considered early and if they had no intention of possibly giving him the job he wouldn’t have got this far.
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I do sympathise with SM. He can't make comments without people seeing them as what the board believe.
SM :- "Anderson is crap"
Someone on here :- "OMG the board hate Anderson and want rid."
I know what you mean.
I think it is a normal reaction though when SM rarely seems to make posts based on his opinion, he's normally speaking on behalf of the club/GB.
I'd like to think Wellens has a chance for sure though If he's got this far into the process.
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Re: Wellens. I’d say the (arguably) the best player in the best team we have had for an exceptionally long time (possibly ever) deserves some kind of legendary status.
The fact he may be abrasive and say things people may not want to hear isn’t necessarily a terrible thing. This is elite sport not comfort zone P.E lesson which is the impression I sometimes get from the clubs mentality.
Contrary to what some may think we are not making any real progress on the football side. Winning awards because players go and pat some school kids on the head is all well and good but we need a manager to drag us forward kicking and screaming. I think Wellens is capable of that, as I’m sure the other two candidates are. Not choosing someone because they may rock the boat and could potentially be too demanding and hard to manage would be madness.
What a fantastic post.
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Choose who gets the job there will be upset fans, that is human nature, but there is upset fans and obnoxious fans but we all need to get behind the man who wins the position and hope he does us proud
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I don't have a lot of good to say about Rovers right now, but thanks SoundbiteBarmyArmy for your post and the first feeling of light I can see at the end of a very dark tunnel.
And no, I don't want Wellens as manager. He was a good player but had a chip on his shoulder and I don't want to see that again at Doncaster. He always felt he should be playing with his buddies at Man Utd and had been badly treated. I was glad to see him go even as a player. I have no intention of entering into yet another argument on this site. It is my opinion, end of.
For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Michael Shaw! Wellens is the last person this club needs right now.
I'm guessing with you saying that, he won't be getting the job then ?
I doubt you'd have a opinion so strong If Wellens even had a chance of getting the job.
Sounds like it's just his opinion, not the boards thoughts.
He isn't normally so outspoken and normally remains quite neutral I'd say. He does a great job.
I'd be extremely surprised If he get's the job following these comments- But I hope I am wrong.
I have to emphasise that this is my opinion based on certain things. Things I'm not really at liberty to discuss.
But I'm not doing the interviewing, the club are, so it's for the club to decide if he's the right man for the job.
Trust is a huge factor in any relationship IMO.
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This is a popular post with nearly 39000 views. A lot of interest out there. Or alot of multiple viewings.
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I wonder if Wellens isn't going to be offered the job because of similar reasons why Brian Clough wasn't given the England job?
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Re: Wellens. I’d say the (arguably) the best player in the best team we have had for an exceptionally long time (possibly ever) deserves some kind of legendary status.
The fact he may be abrasive and say things people may not want to hear isn’t necessarily a terrible thing. This is elite sport not comfort zone P.E lesson which is the impression I sometimes get from the clubs mentality.
Contrary to what some may think we are not making any real progress on the football side. Winning awards because players go and pat some school kids on the head is all well and good but we need a manager to drag us forward kicking and screaming. I think Wellens is capable of that, as I’m sure the other two candidates are. Not choosing someone because they may rock the boat and could potentially be too demanding and hard to manage would be madness.
What a fantastic post.
Indeed. Just goes to show all the different factors to take into account to make the ultimate position.
I think I know where S_M is coming from and given we've had a number of managers in relatively quick succession what risks are we prepared to take?
Just my opinion, but I see Wellens perhaps being similar to Fergie, with a bit of a ruthless streak but that's fine if you have a larger squad to manage. It might not work so well with a smaller squad.
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This is a popular post with nearly 39000 views. A lot of interest out there. Or alot of multiple viewings.
Ha ha. Who wants to have some fun with the betting odds!
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Re: Wellens. I’d say the (arguably) the best player in the best team we have had for an exceptionally long time (possibly ever) deserves some kind of legendary status.
The fact he may be abrasive and say things people may not want to hear isn’t necessarily a terrible thing. This is elite sport not comfort zone P.E lesson which is the impression I sometimes get from the clubs mentality.
Contrary to what some may think we are not making any real progress on the football side. Winning awards because players go and pat some school kids on the head is all well and good but we need a manager to drag us forward kicking and screaming. I think Wellens is capable of that, as I’m sure the other two candidates are. Not choosing someone because they may rock the boat and could potentially be too demanding and hard to manage would be madness.
Top post and very true.
Glad the majority agree with Wellens being a club legend because he obviously is.
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I think you need to read the responses again Alan, there's just one who thought that a more experienced manager might be needed for a full squad rebuild. And the opposite view has also been expressed where a left field candidate might have an advantage as in the likes of Grant McCann.
But let's face it Alan, you have a negative opinion of everything. And your post wasn't so much an opinion, not even a balanced one, but more a complete condemnation based on what? You quite clearly stated that he might have interviewed well but that's not what we need. Based on what?
There were 2 actually. I appreciate there were the opposite views, but I havn’t told any of them their posts were ‘nonsense’ and anyway, what would their opinion be based on?
Further, I havn’t a negative opinion on everything - if you think that I would suggest you read more of my posts!
It’s obvious you’re not at Liberty to tell me why you think Mr Left Field would be a good appointment, as that may give away who it actually is. However, I notice you’re not sitting on the fence with RW - now who’s being negative? Still, if that’s your view, then fair enough, I don’t have a problem with it (don’t agree, but hey ho).
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Wellens was one of the best players I’ve seen in a rovers shirt. He was a winner, he may have upset people because he wanted to win every game and didn’t suffer players that didn’t. I am in two minds really I want him to get the job, but again I don’t there will to many pouting the finger at him if we can’t put a good side together. He may want 1 of the top 5 on the list while finances may dictate we have to have 1 of the bottom 5. So Richie stay away don’t bother. Whoever the three are to be interviewed and have completed the process it will be the one that accepts the lowest wages who gets the job.
That might come across negative but it my opinion on how I see the club going. I like others still want a club but I also would like to see a team that are competing on the field of play. We need to sign players permanently that can do that at the top end of league one.
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Wellens was one of the best players I’ve seen in a rovers shirt. He was a winner, he may have upset people because he wanted to win every game and didn’t suffer players that didn’t. I am in two minds really I want him to get the job, but again I don’t there will to many pouting the finger at him if we can’t put a good side together. He may want 1 of the top 5 on the list while finances may dictate we have to have 1 of the bottom 5. So Richie stay away don’t bother. Whoever the three are to be interviewed and have completed the process it will be the one that accepts the lowest wages who gets the job.
That’s the spirit Steve!! Keep smiling lad!
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Wellens was one of the best players I’ve seen in a rovers shirt. He was a winner, he may have upset people because he wanted to win every game and didn’t suffer players that didn’t. I am in two minds really I want him to get the job, but again I don’t there will to many pouting the finger at him if we can’t put a good side together. He may want 1 of the top 5 on the list while finances may dictate we have to have 1 of the bottom 5. So Richie stay away don’t bother. Whoever the three are to be interviewed and have completed the process it will be the one that accepts the lowest wages who gets the job.
I was with you until that last sentence. Yet Fergie was reputed to be one of the highest paid managers in the division and probably the highest when we got relegated!
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Wellens is definitely a club legend for Rovers. Brilliant player for us, played a major role in getting us promoted to the Championship and then keeping us in it. When he came back, it is widely considered that he was one of our best players and his late-season injury was a big factor in us slumping to relegation in 2014.
Also, our last manager was English. Darren Moore is an Englishman from Birmingham who has lived his entire life in this country. You can say he's Jamaican too, because clearly his heritage is Jamaican, but three international caps for them do not stop him from being English.
I can see where you are coming from, but he played international football for Jamaica and SOD for the Republic of Ireland. In both their cases (both born in the Midlands) as they were stepping out on to the pitch for their international caps, I doubt either would have accepted at that point that "I am British only". It's certainly not straightforward, but given both of them played for third countries despite being born and raised in Britain, I am happy to go with their own preference to play international football for that third country. It was their choice and I wouldn't want to second guess their own preference.
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Wellens was one of the best players I’ve seen in a rovers shirt. He was a winner, he may have upset people because he wanted to win every game and didn’t suffer players that didn’t. I am in two minds really I want him to get the job, but again I don’t there will to many pouting the finger at him if we can’t put a good side together. He may want 1 of the top 5 on the list while finances may dictate we have to have 1 of the bottom 5. So Richie stay away don’t bother. Whoever the three are to be interviewed and have completed the process it will be the one that accepts the lowest wages who gets the job.
That’s the spirit Steve!! Keep smiling lad!
When it comes to our club a smile will be there when we see what players we can sign we need about 9/10 permanent players as ot stands to get to the CEOs 22.
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SM, your anti-Wellens sentiment seems to be very heartfelt which leads me to the question, is it derived from knowledge gained via your position as a fan representative and proximity to senior members of the club or is it from information any one of us could know?
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Wellens was one of the best players I’ve seen in a rovers shirt. He was a winner, he may have upset people because he wanted to win every game and didn’t suffer players that didn’t. I am in two minds really I want him to get the job, but again I don’t there will to many pouting the finger at him if we can’t put a good side together. He may want 1 of the top 5 on the list while finances may dictate we have to have 1 of the bottom 5. So Richie stay away don’t bother. Whoever the three are to be interviewed and have completed the process it will be the one that accepts the lowest wages who gets the job.
I was with you until that last sentence. Yet Fergie was reputed to be one of the highest paid managers in the division and probably the highest when we got relegated!
That was then I’m talking now but we won’t know we can be told anything and have to accept it.
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All this speculation is just a game for us fans fans to have something to discuss/argue over though isn’t it! In the end, none of us really has any idea who’s going to get the job. And rightly so.
The Board have a good record with selecting managers over the past few years, and I’m sure that their selection process is still robust enough to ensure that we get a decent Manager in.
As for Wellens, he’s undoubtedly one of the best players I’ve ever seen at the Rovers and was an instrumental part of our ‘golden years’. However, sentiment should amount to nothing of course. This won’t necessarily mean he’ll be the right manager for us. He should only get the role if he ticks all of the right boxes for the Board.
It’ll all be reyt.
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Wellens was one of the best players I’ve seen in a rovers shirt. He was a winner, he may have upset people because he wanted to win every game and didn’t suffer players that didn’t. I am in two minds really I want him to get the job, but again I don’t there will to many pouting the finger at him if we can’t put a good side together. He may want 1 of the top 5 on the list while finances may dictate we have to have 1 of the bottom 5. So Richie stay away don’t bother. Whoever the three are to be interviewed and have completed the process it will be the one that accepts the lowest wages who gets the job.
That’s the spirit Steve!! Keep smiling lad!
When it comes to our club a smile will be there when we see what players we can sign we need about 9/10 permanent players as ot stands to get to the CEOs 22.
I’m sure that they’re aware what’s needed and how to achieve it Steve.
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Wellens is definitely a club legend for Rovers. Brilliant player for us, played a major role in getting us promoted to the Championship and then keeping us in it. When he came back, it is widely considered that he was one of our best players and his late-season injury was a big factor in us slumping to relegation in 2014.
Also, our last manager was English. Darren Moore is an Englishman from Birmingham who has lived his entire life in this country. You can say he's Jamaican too, because clearly his heritage is Jamaican, but three international caps for them do not stop him from being English.
I can see where you are coming from, but he played international football for Jamaica and SOD for the Republic of Ireland. In both their cases (both born in the Midlands) as they were stepping out on to the pitch for their international caps, I doubt either would have accepted at that point that "I am British only". It's certainly not straightforward, but given both of them played for third countries despite being born and raised in Britain, I am happy to go with their own preference to play international football for that third country. It was their choice and I wouldn't want to second guess their own preference.
That's fine CB, not like it matters in the grand scheme of things really. I'm not to my knowkedge, but if I did hold dual nationality or had ancestry of a different country, I'd maybe class myself as both. No reason why someone can't be both English and Irish really, and it is everyone's personal preference really.
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Wellens was one of the best players I’ve seen in a rovers shirt. He was a winner, he may have upset people because he wanted to win every game and didn’t suffer players that didn’t. I am in two minds really I want him to get the job, but again I don’t there will to many pouting the finger at him if we can’t put a good side together. He may want 1 of the top 5 on the list while finances may dictate we have to have 1 of the bottom 5. So Richie stay away don’t bother. Whoever the three are to be interviewed and have completed the process it will be the one that accepts the lowest wages who gets the job.
That’s the spirit Steve!! Keep smiling lad!
When it comes to our club a smile will be there when we see what players we can sign we need about 9/10 permanent players as ot stands to get to the CEOs 22.
I’m sure that they’re aware what’s needed and how to achieve it Steve.
You are right like any construction company they will insist they get best they can with money available the standard of player may not come into it.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion on Wellens. All I’ll say (and I think it’s been alluded to further up) is that if the club were put off by the past relationship then he should never have been shortlisted, let alone invited back for a second interview. He’s there now and should be judged on the merit of his interview and his credentials. If he’s considered the best then he should be appointed and I hope he is. If not then personally I hope Eustace is next in line from the assumed three. He’s not as far ‘leftfield’ as I thought.
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Can someone point me in the direction of where the club have issued a statement giving the names of those who have been shortlisted for the final interview? People on here are talking as though it is a fact that Wellens or anyone else has been selected for the final interview Jeez the bookies must be loving this
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Can someone point me in the direction of where the club have issued a statement giving the names of those who have been shortlisted for the final interview? People on here are talking as though it is a fact that Wellens or anyone else has been selected for the final interview Jeez the bookies must be loving this
The top 3 in the betting will be the final three. People saying the markets don’t have a clue, they probably do.
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Robinson I one of the 3
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Where were Dickov Ferguson McCann and Moore in the betting? Honest question
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Where were Dickov Ferguson McCann and Moore in the betting? Honest question
By this stage right at the top.
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Thank you J
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how long before we hear that chant from the 1960's at the wendies "useless Redacted"
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/qpr/news/eustace-no-chance-of-me-getting-qpr-job_356198.html
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Looking forward to hearing Useless Eustace down the line.
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One question for SM if he will answer.
Not a dig but it's seemingly obvious that Wellens has a interview, you said earlier in the week that we were down to the final threw who are all excellent candidates?
Seemingly you don't think that?
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This is a popular post with nearly 39000 views. A lot of interest out there. Or alot of multiple viewings.
Multiple views for me as this is probably best placed for news and gossip. Came off social media last July.
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
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Wellens is definitely a club legend for Rovers. Brilliant player for us, played a major role in getting us promoted to the Championship and then keeping us in it. When he came back, it is widely considered that he was one of our best players and his late-season injury was a big factor in us slumping to relegation in 2014.
Also, our last manager was English. Darren Moore is an Englishman from Birmingham who has lived his entire life in this country. You can say he's Jamaican too, because clearly his heritage is Jamaican, but three international caps for them do not stop him from being English.
I can see where you are coming from, but he played international football for Jamaica and SOD for the Republic of Ireland. In both their cases (both born in the Midlands) as they were stepping out on to the pitch for their international caps, I doubt either would have accepted at that point that "I am British only". It's certainly not straightforward, but given both of them played for third countries despite being born and raised in Britain, I am happy to go with their own preference to play international football for that third country. It was their choice and I wouldn't want to second guess their own preference.
I doubt Moore or SOD played for Jamaica or Ireland because they see themselves as Jamaican or Irish, they did it because they qualified and were nowhere near good enough to play for England. My grandad was Polish and I feel an affinity to the country, and if I was a professional footballer who was a top player but not quite good enough for England I would play for Poland and be immensely proud to do so. It wouldn’t make me Polish, though.
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Two posts straying off topic so better come back onto it...I’d be pleased with any of these 3. Eustace I’m less sure about but if he gets through 2 interviews ahead of Wellens & Robinson he clearly has something about him.
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
You're ignoring Wellens the person though aren't you?
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Wellens is definitely a club legend for Rovers. Brilliant player for us, played a major role in getting us promoted to the Championship and then keeping us in it. When he came back, it is widely considered that he was one of our best players and his late-season injury was a big factor in us slumping to relegation in 2014.
Also, our last manager was English. Darren Moore is an Englishman from Birmingham who has lived his entire life in this country. You can say he's Jamaican too, because clearly his heritage is Jamaican, but three international caps for them do not stop him from being English.
Not necessarily disagreeing with your point. It happens in all sports but for the record I recall Jimmy Armfield -who was working with the FA and England team management- saying that he had recommended Moore and that he had been under serious consideration.
I can see where you are coming from, but he played international football for Jamaica and SOD for the Republic of Ireland. In both their cases (both born in the Midlands) as they were stepping out on to the pitch for their international caps, I doubt either would have accepted at that point that "I am British only". It's certainly not straightforward, but given both of them played for third countries despite being born and raised in Britain, I am happy to go with their own preference to play international football for that third country. It was their choice and I wouldn't want to second guess their own preference.
I doubt Moore or SOD played for Jamaica or Ireland because they see themselves as Jamaican or Irish, they did it because they qualified and were nowhere near good enough to play for England. My grandad was Polish and I feel an affinity to the country, and if I was a professional footballer who was a top player but not quite good enough for England I would play for Poland and be immensely proud to do so. It wouldn’t make me Polish, though.
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
You're ignoring Wellens the person though aren't you?
We’re not ignoring it, we just don’t know him.
For all we know, all the best rovers players over the years could be horrible in person.
But when you’re deciding who is a legend for the football club as a player all you have to go on is how they performed as a player
And for me wellens is the best player I’ve seen in a rovers shirt
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
You're ignoring Wellens the person though aren't you?
I don’t know Wellens any more than I know James Coppinger, Billy Sharp, Brian Stock or Michael McIndoe*. If fans needed to know a player as a person to regard them as a legend then there wouldn’t be any.
*I do know that McIndoe is a bit of a wrong ‘un**. But still a Rovers legend.
** Allegedly. Thanks Bob
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
You're ignoring Wellens the person though aren't you?
not at all. He’s personality has nothing to do with the fact he’s a club legend as already stated by others here. He was part of our best midfield and he and Stock absolutely bossed games. He was part of a team that every supporter was proud of which I don’t think we can say for very many teams since, despite the fact we’re apparently doing brilliantly....
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I think that ought to be deleted pdq Nick!
There was never any conviction and I think (but only think) there was a case going forwards for wrongful arrest and one for libel too.
Best delete it mate. It'd be safer even if I'm wrong on some of that.
BobG
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
You're ignoring Wellens the person though aren't you?
not at all. He’s personality has nothing to do with the fact he’s a club legend as already stated by others here. He was part of our best midfield and he and Stock absolutely bossed games. He was part of a team that every supporter was proud of which I don’t think we can say for very many teams since, despite the fact we’re apparently doing brilliantly....
I think the point is its more about his man management skills, and tactical nous that his own footballing skills and past performance on the pitch and in a Rovers shirt.
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He is most definitely a club legend in my eyes..
Question for SM...
If the board came to you and asked you as a rep for the fans, what is the general fan opinion on Wellens getting the job. Would you give them your opinion, or the actual opinion of the fans where the majority are more than happy for him to get the job ?
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Go on then SM, spill the beans,you know you want to tell us all who the last three are.
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Go on then SM, spill the beans,you know you want to tell us all who the last three are.
Robinson
Wellens
Eustace
If you believe the rumours.
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He is most definitely a club legend in my eyes..
Question for SM...
If the board came to you and asked you as a rep for the fans, what is the general fan opinion on Wellens getting the job. Would you give them your opinion, or the actual opinion of the fans where the majority are more than happy for him to get the job ?
I’m sure Baldwin will read this site.
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I wonder if Wellens isn't going to be offered the job because of similar reasons why Brian Clough wasn't given the England job?
I don’t think Wellens has a green jumper
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
You're ignoring Wellens the person though aren't you?
I don’t know Wellens any more than I know James Coppinger, Billy Sharp, Brian Stock or Michael McIndoe*. If fans needed to know a player as a person to regard them as a legend then there wouldn’t be any.
*I do know that McIndoe is a bit of a wrong ‘un**. But still a Rovers legend.
** Allegedly. Thanks Bob
I said I wouldn't call him a legend, you said I was setting the bar very high.
So I just pointed out your opinion was based on his football career, mine isn't.
I knew this would go down the rabbit hole as soon as I commented, but I'm entitled to an opinion too lets not forget!
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Go on then SM, spill the beans,you know you want to tell us all who the last three are.
On the contrary, I'm not that fussed about 'spilling the beans'. I've learnt over the years that having this kind of information does you no good at all.
I'll leave all the speculation to others. I don't mind the odd comment where it may be total fabrication that I can correct etc., but as a general rule I find it better to say very little when it comes to the actual participants. As the RW situation now proves!
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He is most definitely a club legend in my eyes..
Question for SM...
If the board came to you and asked you as a rep for the fans, what is the general fan opinion on Wellens getting the job. Would you give them your opinion, or the actual opinion of the fans where the majority are more than happy for him to get the job ?
To be fair we have a relationship where all cards would be on the table, so your hypothetical question and the dilemma it proposes wouldn't arise.
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It looks as if the club will be interviewing three candidates tomorrow with a view to appointing one. And it looks like of the three:
- One has won trophies and is known for playing attractive attacking football, but question marks have been raised about his character in some quarters.
- One has plenty of experience of managing on a budget and delivering (largely) better than expected results, but with some question marks over whether he’s the man to being attractive attacking football to the Keepmoat
- One has an excellent reputation as a coach, and a successful spell in management at a lower level, but is lacking the experience and profile of the other two.
Conclusion being that we’ll have to make a sacrifice somewhere. I’d like to think Wellens’ character was taken into account before he was shortlisted.
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Think more people want Wellens of the 3. He is what we need the sort of crap we've seen the past 3 months wouldn't have been tolerated
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Que Sera Sera :)
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Que Sera Sera :)
Are we going to Wembley?
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Que Sera Sera :)
Are we going to Wembley?
The futures not ours to see.
(Just have to wait for hindsight).
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Despite Robinson its hard to see the new manager being anyone else other than Wellens.
Ohhh Richie richie...
Why though? It'd be good to understand why people think he'll be the right man
Won league 2 title with Swindon despite lack of experience. Got his two strikers scoring for fun. Won JPT with Salford. Plays an attractive brand of football. Only young so should get better. Speaks his mind so will be fun to watch interviews again after the dross Moore came out with... and he's a club legend.
I'm sure what's not to like to be honest.
Legend? That's the last thing I'd call him.
- 2 spells with 100 odd appearances in each
- Part of the midfield that utterly dominated Leeds at Wembley
- Arguably the best player in the best team we’ve ever had (Stock for me but it’s very close)
- Scored a ridiculous lob on his debut (yeah it was only Retford but immediately obvious we had some player on our hands)
- His signing prompted one of our fans to eat a testicle
If that doesn’t qualify as a legend you must have an extraordinarily high bar!
You're ignoring Wellens the person though aren't you?
I see Wellens as a good servant through his years and his achievements with us. Undeniably a very talented footballer for the level we operate/operated at. But a legend? Not for me. For what its worth in my opinion and i have never met the guy..... if i was a player i feel he would rub me up the wrong way and that whenever we hit a bad run of form his defence would be to out the players in public the 1st chance he got. Didnt he allgedly spit on a Swansea player once as well? As ive pointed out before, he wouldnt be my choice. The one thing i liked about McCann was he never got too ahead of himself during good and bad form but, when we played crap he admitted it and we were well known that season for bouncing back with a positive result or performance after a bad one. Charlton in the playoffs for example, how do you go from playing like that in the 1st leg to like that in the 2nd? Against a far better team too. Thats the calibre of manager we need. Like when looking at a player, they have to fit the philosophy of the club and buy into what the owners want from a person as well as a player/football manager.
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Que Sera Sera :)
Are we going to Wembley?
The futures not ours to see.
(Just have to wait for hindsight).
Whatever will be will be, The futures not ours to see :) :)
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It looks as if the club will be interviewing three candidates tomorrow with a view to appointing one. And it looks like of the three:
- One has won trophies and is known for playing attractive attacking football, but question marks have been raised about his character in some quarters.
- One has plenty of experience of managing on a budget and delivering (largely) better than expected results, but with some question marks over whether he’s the man to being attractive attacking football to the Keepmoat
- One has an excellent reputation as a coach, and a successful spell in management at a lower level, but is lacking the experience and profile of the other two.
Conclusion being that we’ll have to make a sacrifice somewhere. I’d like to think Wellens’ character was taken into account before he was shortlisted.
Being nice isn't a job. It can actually hinder being honest and critical when the need arises.
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Que Sera Sera :)
Are we going to Wembley?
The futures not ours to see.
(Just have to wait for hindsight).
Where is BST anyway?
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For me, after reading all of the above, plus the article from Liam regarding the downfall of this season (if true)
I would say we need a fresh set of eyes and approach from a coach who has had to build rom the ground up. Almost (dare I say it) Darren ferguson esq.
I will never forget what richie achieved at rovers and liked his approach on the pitch. I just don't think this is the right time for him nor the club.
For me we need to build from the bottom up and stability. Some sort of a bloody identity too.
Df did a huge amount of rebuilding for the club after disaster dickov which has almost all been undone by the last two managers and covid. We are coming out of it and need to put a plan in place instead of this inane floundering
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It looks as if the club will be interviewing three candidates tomorrow with a view to appointing one. And it looks like of the three:
- One has won trophies and is known for playing attractive attacking football, but question marks have been raised about his character in some quarters.
- One has plenty of experience of managing on a budget and delivering (largely) better than expected results, but with some question marks over whether he’s the man to being attractive attacking football to the Keepmoat
- One has an excellent reputation as a coach, and a successful spell in management at a lower level, but is lacking the experience and profile of the other two.
Conclusion being that we’ll have to make a sacrifice somewhere. I’d like to think Wellens’ character was taken into account before he was shortlisted.
I think there's always going to be that comprise.
I say this about Championship players. In my uneducated opinion, Championship players are similar to Premier League players, except they lack in one area. That area may be athleticism, skill, speed, etc ...
Where a manager is concerned, if there's no compromise then they're likely to be too expensive and Premier League quality. I'm happy with the compromise concept.
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It looks as if the club will be interviewing three candidates tomorrow with a view to appointing one. And it looks like of the three:
- One has won trophies and is known for playing attractive attacking football, but question marks have been raised about his character in some quarters.
- One has plenty of experience of managing on a budget and delivering (largely) better than expected results, but with some question marks over whether he’s the man to being attractive attacking football to the Keepmoat
- One has an excellent reputation as a coach, and a successful spell in management at a lower level, but is lacking the experience and profile of the other two.
Conclusion being that we’ll have to make a sacrifice somewhere. I’d like to think Wellens’ character was taken into account before he was shortlisted.
I think there's always going to be that comprise.
I say this about Championship players. In my uneducated opinion, Championship players are similar to Premier League players, except they lack in one area. That area may be athleticism, skill, speed, etc ...
Where a manager is concerned, if there's no compromise then they're likely to be too expensive and Premier League quality. I'm happy with the compromise concept.
The idea should be to recruit players and managers that are the quality or potential quality to operate at the level above before everyone else realises they are. I suppose the compromise there is generally a lack of experience. I think you are better off having an inexperienced quality player/manager than an experienced useless one!
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Think more people want Wellens of the 3. He is what we need the sort of crap we've seen the past 3 months wouldn't have been tolerated
It was in his few games in charge of Swindon this season.
If Wellens gets the job fine and good - but don't go making him out to be something he isn't and just cherry picking the bits of his career you like.
He has shown he is a good manager when things go well. And doesn't know what to do when they go badly as they did at both Swindon and Salford. Nor is he receptive to advise he doesn't like, allegedly.
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I’d just like a manger where people, in years to come, talk about the way he got the team to play. A bit like the SOD era.
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I’d just like a manger where people, in years to come, talk about the way he got the team to play. A bit like the SOD era.
Agreed- it wasn't just the football that we played under SOD though, it was the success that came with it too.
I watched the Wellens and Coppinger podcast earlier, and they summed it up perfectly, you had to be a doncaster fan or part of the set up to really realise how good we actually was. Looking back it was unreal really.
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Just caught up with all this can’t believe people are describing Wellens as a legend so he’s on par with copps then, some people really need to realign their standards, Wellens was a very good player for us and yes definitely in my first 11 of a rovers team but only 1 player will be a legend the great Sir James Coppinger.
Hopefully we are now less than 48 hours to the announcement of our new manager, now if it is Wellens then fine I will get behind him just like I did with Butler, Moore, McCann and every other manager before because if they succeed that means we (DRFC) have succeeded.
I trust our board to make the right choice I have no idea who is in the interview room asking the potential manager the questions, but if after the hours of questioning and listening and interviewing others about the candidate I believe they will make the right choice and we can look forward to a busy and exciting summer of new players coming in
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Of course he can be described as a legend,
Copps is a freak, there aren’t many clubs that have players like him.
It doesn’t mean anyone else who doesn’t live upto that can’t be described as a legend.
We’ve plenty of them, and wellens for me is definitely one of them along with people like tierney, blundell, mcindoe, stock, etc etc
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I know everything was awful at the end of this season. But I'd still like to see Andy Butler hang up the boots and be given a real chance with a good experienced coaching team behind him as our Manager next season.
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The idea should be to recruit players and managers that are the quality or potential quality to operate at the level above before everyone else realises they are. I suppose the compromise there is generally a lack of experience. I think you are better off having an inexperienced quality player/manager than an experienced useless one!
I agree though the "compromise" there is also that they are more likely to jump ship if they are good - McCann for instance. Ideally for me it is someone with less experience but also someone who grows with the club, including taking us up a level and sticking around there with us for a couple of seasons - SOD for example, although not that inexperienced.
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I know everything was awful at the end of this season. But I'd still like to see Andy Butler hang up the boots and be given a real chance with a good experienced coaching team behind him as our Manager next season.
It can't happen, mate. He's not made the final cut.
Which is a good thing, as it would have badly impacted on the sale of season tickets.
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Ahhh ok. I didn't realize.
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Feel some sympathy with you guys and how your hopes we so spectacularly trashed after Moore left but at least you only had a duplicitous manager and can hopefully quickly replace him for next season, whereas at Bolton we had a scumbag owner and a manager in Parky who lets us down in the end. Fortunes can change so quickly in football and with both respectable new owners and manager we are hopefully on the way back up. I look forward to our games next season and wish you well with your manager search. Rovers are a good club and you deserve success but I suspect L1 will be a tough league next year.
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Any update about what’s happening with interviews etc today or about when it’s going to be announced etc
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Any update about what’s happening with interviews etc today or about when it’s going to be announced etc
The board are interviewing the short list of 3 applicants today.
Announcement tonight if possible, but otherwise tomorrow, fingers crossed.
However if contract negotiations are extended then it would be after the weekend.
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Thanks SM are these face to face or virtual meetings
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Thanks SM are these face to face or virtual meetings
Face to face.
Lets hope that its a smooth process.
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Thanks Martin
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So next week it is then..... :whistle:
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Great stuff. Exciting times
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Thank you very much for the stream of updates, SM.
You take some unnecessary flack but keep doing it so fair play for that.
Excited to see who we get in.
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No question that Wellens was a superb player in O'Driscoll's side.
But I'm surprised how little comment there has been about how Wellens acted in 2015. Whatever was going on at that time, Wellens's actions off-field clearly thoroughly pissed off Rob Jones, to the extent that Wellens was packed off to train with the kids. That raises questions to me about whether he is the right sort of personality to be a successful manager.
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Thank you very much for the stream of updates, SM.
You take some unnecessary flack but keep doing it so fair play for that.
Excited to see who we get in.
I echo this.
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Looking at the numbers behind Wellens and Robinson I'd still prefer Wellens but either of them will bring more attacking and more pressing play than what we've been accustomed to this season. Looking forward to it!
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Thanks for the updates SM, i know you can be a scapegoat when it comes to any critiscism of the club but is good to get some inside info from time to time. The piece by Hoden was brilliant too to better understand what the hell went off this season.
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Of course he can be described as a legend,
Copps is a freak, there aren’t many clubs that have players like him.
It doesn’t mean anyone else who doesn’t live upto that can’t be described as a legend.
We’ve plenty of them, and wellens for me is definitely one of them along with people like tierney, blundell, mcindoe, stock, etc etc
He Wellens could have been a legend but he pissed off when he knew the big money men failed to take over the club so that makes him a back stabbed not a legend
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Thanks for the updates SM, i know you can be a scapegoat when it comes to any critiscism of the club but is good to get some inside info from time to time. The piece by Hoden was brilliant too to better understand what the hell went off this season.
It's always a case of shooting the messenger though Fal. Something I have got used to.
But not for much longer, I'll be stepping down this year.
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Of course he can be described as a legend,
Copps is a freak, there aren’t many clubs that have players like him.
It doesn’t mean anyone else who doesn’t live upto that can’t be described as a legend.
We’ve plenty of them, and wellens for me is definitely one of them along with people like tierney, blundell, mcindoe, stock, etc etc
He Wellens could have been a legend but he pissed off when he knew the big money men failed to take over the club so that makes him a back stabbed not a legend
Just one of the many things he did Dave.
Well said.
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Wellens only real concern is number one, and I don't mean the goalkeeper. He'll do a McCann/Moore at the sniff of something he thinks is good for him.
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Of course he can be described as a legend,
Copps is a freak, there aren’t many clubs that have players like him.
It doesn’t mean anyone else who doesn’t live upto that can’t be described as a legend.
We’ve plenty of them, and wellens for me is definitely one of them along with people like tierney, blundell, mcindoe, stock, etc etc
He Wellens could have been a legend but he pissed off when he knew the big money men failed to take over the club so that makes him a back stabbed not a legend
I’m not sure which occasion you mean?
He didn’t leave when the takeover fell through he was just lined up by them to sign of it went through but when it didn’t there was no offer of a contract for him.
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Wellens it is then
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Thanks for the updates SM, i know you can be a scapegoat when it comes to any critiscism of the club but is good to get some inside info from time to time. The piece by Hoden was brilliant too to better understand what the hell went off this season.
It's always a case of shooting the messenger though Fal. Something I have got used to.
But not for much longer, I'll be stepping down this year.
Oh no, I’m sorry to hear that SM. That decision hasn’t come about very recently due to a particular person being appointed has it?
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Thanks for the updates SM, i know you can be a scapegoat when it comes to any critiscism of the club but is good to get some inside info from time to time. The piece by Hoden was brilliant too to better understand what the hell went off this season.
It's always a case of shooting the messenger though Fal. Something I have got used to.
But not for much longer, I'll be stepping down this year.
That will be a real shame when you step down, as I feel you do a great job. You take the flack and abuse in your stride with great professionalism.
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So another goodbye ..this time SM ..it’s a total reboot then and another testimonial SM’s Vikings Co op v The Board’s Eleven ?
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Welles’s it is then
What makes you say that?
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I don’t have the benefit of interviewing the candidates so I will leave it to those who can.
However, I’ve never really bought into the idea that a mean, nasty, ‘winner’ of a player (such as Wellens, who was superb in a once in a lifetime midfield) is what’s required to get a never-say-die attitude amongst a playing squad.
I remember Alan Ball bringing his young Blackpool side to B V in a cup tie. They went one up and Ball was constantly, as player manager, in the ear of every player on his side for every second. But instead of digging in and fighting you could see his player’s heads going down and some players didn’t want the ball because they knew they were in for a mother of all bollockings when they weren’t capable of doing what Ball would have been able to do in his prime. They lost 2-1.
Still, as a few have said I’m sure Wellens will have learned in his management roles to date. Whoever is chosen gets my full support.
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Welles’s it is then
What makes you say that?
Entered my head at time of posting my comments. I don’t want Wellens at all.
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Much as he was a great player for us, I wouldn’t trust Wellens as far as I could throw him. I imagine he had to eat some of John Ryan’s fdmous “humble pie” in his interview...
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Welles’s it is then
What makes you say that?
Entered my head at time of posting my comments. I don’t want Wellens at all.
I’ll shut up I think :rtid: :rtid:
Just realised :scarf:
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Welles’s it is then
What makes you say that?
Entered my head at time of posting my comments. I don’t want Wellens at all.
I’ll shut up I think :rtid: :rtid:
Just realised :scarf:
Huh! I'm confused. Doesn't take much admittedly. :woot:
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Welles’s :saywhat:
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Much as he was a great player for us, I wouldn’t trust Wellens as far as I could throw him. I imagine he had to eat some of John Ryan’s fdmous “humble pie” in his interview...
he walked away when he knew the O’Brian money wasn’t going to com to the club so he again same as the snake and Moore mouse scuttled out of the club
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Much as he was a great player for us, I wouldn’t trust Wellens as far as I could throw him. I imagine he had to eat some of John Ryan’s fdmous “humble pie” in his interview...
he walked away when he knew the O’Brian money wasn’t going to com to the club so he again same as the snake and Moore mouse scuttled out of the club
Footballer chases money and better club shocker..... it's a short career, why wouldn't he?
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Of course he can be described as a legend,
Copps is a freak, there aren’t many clubs that have players like him.
It doesn’t mean anyone else who doesn’t live upto that can’t be described as a legend.
We’ve plenty of them, and wellens for me is definitely one of them along with people like tierney, blundell, mcindoe, stock, etc etc
He Wellens could have been a legend but he pissed off when he knew the big money men failed to take over the club so that makes him a back stabbed not a legend
I’m not sure which occasion you mean?
He didn’t leave when the takeover fell through he was just lined up by them to sign of it went through but when it didn’t there was no offer of a contract for him.
If we're all talking about the same attempted takeover, I think he said in the Copps podcast he was offered a 3 year deal if the takeover went through, but when it collapsed they could only offer him a short-term deal. He signed that but then did almost leave for Watford (or was it QPR?) at the end of that contract until Rovers did finally offer him his 3 years. He didn't see out that contract though as Ferguson got rid pretty quickly after getting the manager's job.
Just his side of the story, mind, but thought it would be worth putting out there for those that haven't heard it.
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Thanks for the updates SM, i know you can be a scapegoat when it comes to any critiscism of the club but is good to get some inside info from time to time. The piece by Hoden was brilliant too to better understand what the hell went off this season.
It's always a case of shooting the messenger though Fal. Something I have got used to.
But not for much longer, I'll be stepping down this year.
Are you going to Hull City or Sheffield Wednesday? :silly:
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Have the interviews been concluded as expected then? I'd imagine the board know who our man is by now and are well into thrashing the personal terms out?
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So he didn’t leave when the takeover fell through then like the vicar suggests?
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I don't want to divert this thread with discussion about me, but thanks for the kind words. I'll communicate better at a later stage.
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Have the interviews been concluded as expected then? I'd imagine the board know who our man is by now and are well into thrashing the personal terms out?
By this hour I’d have expected a monumental shift in the betting market to reflect a decision, even if the announcement isn’t yet ready. But nothing yet. Things have been kept well under wraps throughout.
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Whoever takes over can I suggest his user name is silent majority 2, as I don't want any more upheaval at my club.
We will miss you, and thanks you for your informative posts good look in the future
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I don't want to divert this thread with discussion about me, but thanks for the kind words. I'll communicate better at a later stage.
#onemoreyear
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Anyone see any smoke coming from the Keelboat yet?
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Anyone see any smoke coming from the Keelboat yet?
No. But I did see some coming from OBV once. #firestarter
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So he didn’t leave when the takeover fell through then like the vicar suggests?
So are you fishing for ammunition to fire at me like you always do lol
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So he didn’t leave when the takeover fell through then like the vicar suggests?
So are you fishing for ammunition to fire at me like you always do lol
Eh??
I can’t remember ever having an argument with you mate
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So another goodbye ..this time SM ..it’s a total reboot then and another testimonial SM’s Vikings Co op v The Board’s Eleven ?
I wouldn’t mind playing in that game, if selected of course.
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So he didn’t leave when the takeover fell through then like the vicar suggests?
So are you fishing for ammunition to fire at me like you always do lol
Eh??
I can’t remember ever having an argument with you mate
ok so why bring me up now in the context you have. And RW left not long after if it wasn’t straight away and it was about the O’Brian money
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It's like waiting for the announcement of a reality TV show this...
After all these weeks... The trials.... The tribulations... The insect eating challenge... The singing challenge... The dancing challenge... The assault course... We can finally... Finally.... Announce... The final.... Win....ner
(Music) dum dum dum dum dum dum
... Of the... Competition... To becoming... The new... Donny... Rovers... Manager... Is............
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So he didn’t leave when the takeover fell through then like the vicar suggests?
So are you fishing for ammunition to fire at me like you always do lol
Eh??
I can’t remember ever having an argument with you mate
ok so why bring me up now in the context you have. And RW left not long after if it wasn’t straight away and it was about the O’Brian money
I’m not bringing you up,
I said I didn’t know which occasion you were talking about,
And then someone has responded informing me and that wellens didn’t leave until fergie got rid of him.
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Then I can only apologise. I don’t remember it like that and nether does my son and he is a stato
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So he didn’t leave when the takeover fell through then like the vicar suggests?
So are you fishing for ammunition to fire at me like you always do lol
Eh??
I can’t remember ever having an argument with you mate
ok so why bring me up now in the context you have. And RW left not long after if it wasn’t straight away and it was about the O’Brian money
I’m not bringing you up,
I said I didn’t know which occasion you were talking about,
And then someone has responded informing me and that wellens didn’t leave until fergie got rid of him.
... and any takeover was nothing to do with Denis O’Brien!!
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Sequentia was in 13-14 in the Championship
LT and JR was in 14-15 in League One
RW signed in the summer before 13-14, Fergie joined in 14-15 and RW then left.
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Sequentia was in 13-14 in the Championship
LT and JR was in 14-15 in League One
RW signed in the summer before 13-14, Fergie joined in 14-15 and RW then left.
I’m sure Wellens explained the reason fo leaving in the podcast with Copps.
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Sequentia was in 13-14 in the Championship
LT and JR was in 14-15 in League One
RW signed in the summer before 13-14, Fergie joined in 14-15 and RW then left.
I’m sure Wellens explained the reason fo leaving in the podcast with Copps.
Something about Fergie meeting with him and Copps about wanting to lower the average age and wanting one of them to go, which RW decided it was him to leave over the two of them?
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Martin thanks in advance for the sterling (yet thankless) job you’ve done, some of the stick you’ve had on here has been totally unfounded
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Liam Hoden
The Rovers board are still in discussions over the preferred candidate for the manager role. You can go to bed #drfc
Won't be today then.
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If still not decided then it could easily run over the weekend I'd imagine.
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Thanks for the updates SM, i know you can be a scapegoat when it comes to any critiscism of the club but is good to get some inside info from time to time. The piece by Hoden was brilliant too to better understand what the hell went off this season.
It's always a case of shooting the messenger though Fal. Something I have got used to.
But not for much longer, I'll be stepping down this year.
Can I ask why SM?..... apart from the crap you sometimes get on here, you seem to be deeply rooted in the club and football generally. You've not been tapped up for a move upwards have you? :huh:
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Hmm... left field appointment ... SM stepping down... it all adds up now! SM to be announced tomorrow
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Liam Hoden
The Rovers board are still in discussions over the preferred candidate for the manager role. You can go to bed #drfc
Won't be today then.
So they all don’t agree who they want then?
Interesting
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Liam Hoden
The Rovers board are still in discussions over the preferred candidate for the manager role. You can go to bed #drfc
Won't be today then.
So they all don’t agree who they want then?
Interesting
I've heard they're off to the judges houses to perform.
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So he didn’t leave when the takeover fell through then like the vicar suggests?
So are you fishing for ammunition to fire at me like you always do lol
Eh??
I can’t remember ever having an argument with you mate
ok so why bring me up now in the context you have. And RW left not long after if it wasn’t straight away and it was about the O’Brian money
I’m not bringing you up,
I said I didn’t know which occasion you were talking about,
And then someone has responded informing me and that wellens didn’t leave until fergie got rid of him.
... and any takeover was nothing to do with Denis O’Brien!!
yes it was
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Sequentia was in 13-14 in the Championship
LT and JR was in 14-15 in League One
RW signed in the summer before 13-14, Fergie joined in 14-15 and RW then left.
I’m sure Wellens explained the reason fo leaving in the podcast with Copps.
he can say anything he likes after the fact now can’t he
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Do we know he is a liar Vicar?
Cheers
BobG
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Sequentia was in 13-14 in the Championship
LT and JR was in 14-15 in League One
RW signed in the summer before 13-14, Fergie joined in 14-15 and RW then left.
I’m sure Wellens explained the reason fo leaving in the podcast with Copps.
he can say anything he likes after the fact now can’t he
Coppinger was sat on a podcast with him, I doubt they both made it up about the meeting with Ferguson.
Why would he?
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Liam Hoden
The Rovers board are still in discussions over the preferred candidate for the manager role. You can go to bed #drfc
Won't be today then.
So they all don’t agree who they want then?
Interesting
J
How do you come to that conclusion?
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Plus terms have then to be agreed with their first choice when they’ve decided who that is.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was as late as midweek before any announcement.
What odds on the first choice declining?
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Liam Hoden
The Rovers board are still in discussions over the preferred candidate for the manager role. You can go to bed #drfc
Won't be today then.
So they all don’t agree who they want then?
Interesting
J
How do you come to that conclusion?
They’ve had all day to conduct 3 interviews and at 8pm they are still in discussions who they want.
If they all agreed I’m sure the news would be “candidate chosen, now discussing personal terms”
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Liam Hoden
The Rovers board are still in discussions over the preferred candidate for the manager role. You can go to bed #drfc
Won't be today then.
So they all don’t agree who they want then?
Interesting
Not the first time it’s happened
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Plus terms have then to be agreed with their first choice when they’ve decided who that is.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was as late as midweek before any announcement.
What odds on the first choice declining?
I’m sure all 3 would know the terms etc at the time of the second interview so they could withdraw if it didn’t meet their requirements, none have that we know of so if offered I’m sure they will take it.
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When do the club let us fans know anything first hand. we always have to wait days. We spent half of our lives waiting what with the wife, the doctor, the hospital, and the Rovers
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Plus terms have then to be agreed with their first choice when they’ve decided who that is.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was as late as midweek before any announcement.
What odds on the first choice declining?
Will we pay more than an assistant manager gets at QPR.
Will we pay same or more than Salford or Swindon.
Can we compete with Motherwell so he might be the guy who gets the job.
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I’m sure we have offered more than whatever dole money is, 2 of the 3 mentioned are unemployed aren’t they
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Ffs. Here we go.
Put your conspiracy theories to one side. They can take as long as they want for me.
Do you expect them to publish their inner most thoughts before coming to a final decision. This is not about what flavour ice-cream to choose!
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I agree DBR maybe we are trying to get it over the line
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Just remember not to get too high with the highs and too low with the lows.
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Just remember not to get too high with the highs and too low with the lows.
Hopefully we get a wonderful appointment with wonderful ability, and we don’t pay the pelanty for acting too slowly.
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Liam Hoden
The Rovers board are still in discussions over the preferred candidate for the manager role. You can go to bed #drfc
Won't be today then.
So they all don’t agree who they want then?
Interesting
I've heard they're off to the judges houses to perform.
Maybe it will go to an Independant panel.
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Its part and partial of the game.
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Ffs. Here we go.
Put your conspiracy theories to one side. They can take as long as they want for me.
Do you expect them to publish their inner most thoughts before coming to a final decision. This is not about what flavour ice-cream to choose!
No they can’t, as we have to get the retainer list out by Saturday don’t we and the new manager won’t have time to do it
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Maybe they have offered the job but had no reply, so can't say anything, just in case they have to offer it to another...
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Wellens clear favourite with the bookies now. 11/10... is it happening? :woot:
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Wellens clear favourite with the bookies now. 11/10... is it happening? :woot:
Not (yet) telling enough to feel definitive. But it’s a notable shift at an interesting time.
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Patience. What’s the massive rush.
Let the board go through the process so we end up with the right appointment.
This is a huge decision for them. We need stability and do not want to be going through all this yet again in 12 months.
It’s the 13th May not June. There is no panic. Next few days we will all know I am sure.
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Odds shortened again already!
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Patience. What’s the massive rush.
Let the board go through the process so we end up with the right appointment.
This is a huge decision for them. We need stability and do not want to be going through all this yet again in 12 months.
It’s the 13th May not June. There is no panic. Next few days we will all know I am sure.
Not having a dig at you Camps because I know your post means well but it reminds me so much of the posts from last season when we were waiting for player signings to be announced and people were saying we should wait for Moore to decide so he could “get the right players, not just any players”.
As for not going through this again next year, it could easily happen even if we “get the right man this time” if whoever it is has a good season.
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Now odds on...
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8/11, could just be people lumping on but I doubt anybody would lump at this late stage at such a short price without knowing something.
Hope it's Wellens.
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8/11, could just be people lumping on but I doubt anybody would lump at this late stage at such a short price without knowing something.
Hope it's Wellens.
Agreed. The other two are now a big price if the decision is still wide open between the three.
Trying not to get my hopes up too high... but this is the most significant shift yet.
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I hope it's wellens also.
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Pretty obvious it’s Wellens now. Well... it’s obvious he’s the first choice.
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How do you know that lol even the board can’t make there minds up
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How do you know that lol even the board can’t make there minds up
How do you know they can’t?
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Fair to say the odds moved very similarly to this in previous appointments.
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I hope it’s Wellen’s also
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It was meant as a laugh that’s why I put LOL. Did you not see that like
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I don’t want it it to be Wellens
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I don’t want it it to be Wellens
Why?
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The process appears to be reaching its conclusion. Same time next year?
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I think it’s cos I don’t want him as our manager
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Patience. What’s the massive rush.
Let the board go through the process so we end up with the right appointment.
This is a huge decision for them. We need stability and do not want to be going through all this yet again in 12 months.
It’s the 13th May not June. There is no panic. Next few days we will all know I am sure.
Not having a dig at you Camps because I know your post means well but it reminds me so much of the posts from last season when we were waiting for player signings to be announced and people were saying we should wait for Moore to decide so he could “get the right players, not just any players”.
As for not going through this again next year, it could easily happen even if we “get the right man this time” if whoever it is has a good season.
I just meant another 2/3 days isn’t a problem. Of course we need the new man in place ASAP
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We need to get the retained list into the EFL. Surely, the new manager will want an input into that?
Deadline of Saturday to submit.
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That’s what I put earlier today lol so SNAP
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We need to get the retained list into the EFL. Surely, the new manager will want an input into that?
Deadline of Saturday to submit.
I would imagine it's already been discussed to some degree.
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We need to get the retained list into the EFL. Surely, the new manager will want an input into that?
Deadline of Saturday to submit.
I would imagine it's already been discussed to some degree.
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure SM touched on it that they'd be going through things like this in the latter stages of the interview.
It'll all be under control I'm sure, whoever our new man is.
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We need to get the retained list into the EFL. Surely, the new manager will want an input into that?
Deadline of Saturday to submit.
What happens if the retained list is not submitted by Saturday. Genuine question. Can those players you wish to retain not be allowed to stay. I don’t understand the rules on this. How does this work Alan?
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Wellens clear favourite with the bookies now. 11/10... is it happening? :woot:
Probably based on our poll. Wellens had the slight edge.
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I don't think there's anything stopping us later offering a deal to a player previously put on the released list is there?
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Think you might be right Pliskin,I would think the ruling is in place to prevent clubs hindering a player who needs to know if he has a job or not and can therefore take the right moves to sort himself another club,job.Wise clubs would explain the situation to the player who can then wait a few days or so and see if the new manager wants to offer him a place with club.
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What do they call a deer with no eyes, Camps?
All I do know is we have to get the list in.
By the way, latest odds, on twitter, is 4/9.
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The retained list should not be a problem
Contracted players
Players offered contracts
Players released
Players gone back to parent clubs
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The retained list is irrelevant.
It indicates only who we have offered deals to. Tommy Rowe was on it two seasons ago and he didn't stay. Conversely, Paul Keegan was released one summer but re-signed for us a month later.
It'll just say we've offered deals to James/Halliday/Wright and not the rest. This was all decided a while ago by the club regardless of who the new manager ended up being.
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We need to get the retained list into the EFL. Surely, the new manager will want an input into that?
Deadline of Saturday to submit.
I would imagine it's already been discussed to some degree.
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure SM touched on it that they'd be going through things like this in the latter stages of the interview.
It'll all be under control I'm sure, whoever our new man is.
You're right, its part of the interview process in assessing the current squad and giving an indication of who they feel has potential and who they would consider let go.
But, the retained list is also a box ticking exercise to a point, it helps players to work out if they need to get active straight away or clear off on holiday knowing they have a contract in their back pocket.
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I see the Sun have an article claiming it's going to be Wellens. Make of that what you will.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14952871/doncaster-rovers-richie-wellens-darren-moore/
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Who would Wellens' assistant be?
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Who would Wellens' assistant be?
At Swindon he had Noel Hunt I believe.
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I see the Sun have an article claiming it's going to be Wellens. Make of that what you will.
they might well be correct in what they say but The Sun really they are the biggest fibbers in the world of news so take it without a pinch of salt till we know officially lol
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14952871/doncaster-rovers-richie-wellens-darren-moore/
It doesn't say any more than that he's one of the final three despite what the headline says.
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I see the Sun have an article claiming it's going to be Wellens. Make of that what you will.
See above post.
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Who would Wellens' assistant be?
Tommy Wright and Noel Hunt have been his assistants previously.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14952871/doncaster-rovers-richie-wellens-darren-moore/
It doesn't say any more than that he's one of the final three despite what the headline says.
I know - that's why I posted the link....
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To be fair the Sun article only says Wellens is one of three under consideration.
I suspect the movement in the bookies odds will because money has gone on Wellens. Perhaps someone around the club has heard something.
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Who would Wellens' assistant be?
Tommy Wright and Noel Hunt have been his assistants previously.
The Tommy Wright who played for us in the conference days?
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He mentions Warren Joyce in an interview at Salford.
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He mentions Warren Joyce in an interview at Salford.
He was really Neville’s man not Richies. That was one of the issues they had.
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He mentions Warren Joyce in an interview at Salford.
He was really Neville’s man not Richies. That was one of the issues they had.
Ah, that makes more sense now.
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Come on rovers give us some news today, please!
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Come on rovers give us some news today, please!
It's not being announced who the new manager is until Monday.
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Who would Wellens' assistant be?
Tommy Wright and Noel Hunt have been his assistants previously.
The Tommy Wright who played for us in the conference days?
Yeah
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Come on rovers give us some news today, please!
It's not being announced who the new manager is until Monday.
I had a feeling they would want to sleep on it...... good decision.
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Come on rovers give us some news today, please!
It's not being announced who the new manager is until Monday.
Great, i can stop refreshing this page and the Twitter feed every half hour :) - reading between the lines that does seem like a decision has been made though.
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Thanks SM.
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Kind of gives the impression plan A has fallen through.
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We are so slow as a football club
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Probably down to the agents and disusing wages, I didn't envision we would be announcing anything this side of the weekend if we were only just 2nd interviewing yesterday
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I spoke with the club this morning, and the successful candidate has accepted the role and is delighted to be joining the club.
The delay with the official announcement is down to a few factors, none of them serious or to do with the appointment itself, but there are a number of meetings that will be taking place today and over the weekend, so the plan is to do the official announcement once those details are taken care of.
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I spoke with the club this morning, and the successful candidate has accepted the role and is delighted to be joining the club.
The delay with the official announcement is down to a few factors, none of them serious or to do with the appointment itself, but there are a number of meetings that will be taking place today and over the weekend, so the plan is to do the official announcement once those details are taken care of.
Please can someone phone the club shop and find out which shirt letters they're short of, but expect to have by Monday, please?
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Will the new manager have an input into the retained list of players SM?
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So next week it is then..... :whistle:
How well do you know this club
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1/6 Wellens now. It’s on.
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Will the new manager have an input into the retained list of players SM?
Reply #928 explains it's just a box ticking exercise.
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According to Hoden the main reason it's taking til Monday is to get the new man's assistant in place. Don't think it's anything to worry about, it sounds like we've got our first choice.
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1/6 Wellens now. It’s on.
So, as a non-betting man, does 1/6 mean that, with it being on, if I put my house on it, I'll get an additional sixth of my house back?
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Yes
Put £600 on and you’ll get £700 back
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Is it worth putting money on Robinson? SM
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Is it worth putting money on Robinson? SM
You can but ask?
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SM said "Joining the club" is that a hint as RW would be "Re-Joining".
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SM said "Joining the club" is that a hint as RW would be "Re-Joining".
I doubt he would've put "re-joining" as it would've given the entire thing away.
I'm sure he's not at liberty to give it away, we will all just have to wait patiently. :silly:
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Wellens n Copps !
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Look on twitter someones posted a video of him liking there tweet
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Wellens. Intense character. Undoubted footballing ability, does that translate into a management philosophy?
Has indicated a desire to manage us in the past, but left us last time because the 'commute was too long' and swinging left and rights with Butler in the car park. Reformed character? Man management?
With our modest/realistic budget does he have the knowledge to identify and bring young talent to the club?
I would have liked to see him have a longer apprenticeship and some of the questions above answered above, but as it is I am willing to give him a chance (which for me means longer than 1 season).
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Wellens. Intense character. Undoubted footballing ability, does that translate into a management philosophy?
Has indicated a desire to manage us in the past, but left us last time because the 'commute was too long' and swinging left and rights with Butler in the car park. Reformed character? Man management?
With our modest/realistic budget does he have the knowledge to identify and bring young talent to the club?
I would have liked to see him have a longer apprenticeship and some of the questions above answered above, but as it is I am willing to give him a chance (which for me means longer than 1 season).
Swinging left and rights :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Wouldn’t say wellens is a 1/6 shot....
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Wellens. Intense character. Undoubted footballing ability, does that translate into a management philosophy?
Has indicated a desire to manage us in the past, but left us last time because the 'commute was too long' and swinging left and rights with Butler in the car park. Reformed character? Man management?
With our modest/realistic budget does he have the knowledge to identify and bring young talent to the club?
I would have liked to see him have a longer apprenticeship and some of the questions above answered above, but as it is I am willing to give him a chance (which for me means longer than 1 season).
Swinging left and rights :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It wouldn't be the first time, allegedly .
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Wouldn’t say wellens is a 1/6 shot....
It's Wellens. He's even been toying with the fans liking tweets such as "like if you are the new manager Richie" he's been liking and then quickly unliking them soon after.
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Wouldn’t say wellens is a 1/6 shot....
Well, apparently he is.
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Look on twitter someones posted a video of him liking there tweet
If true then that to me say's he hasn't got the job.
If he as got the job then that sort of interaction on social media is very unprofessional and disrespectful to DRFC as potential new employers.
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Exactly what I was thinking Eastender!
BobG
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It's harmless, honestly. Makes no difference to anything especially if he is the man already decided to take over.
Coppinger liked a load of "one more year" tweets a few weeks ago despite the fact he was indeed retiring, that isn't much different.
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Fair enough :)
BobG
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Look on twitter someones posted a video of him liking there tweet
If true then that to me say's he hasn't got the job.
If he as got the job then that sort of interaction on social media is very unprofessional and disrespectful to DRFC as potential new employers.
Wellens out
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I’m not convinced about Wellens’ trustworthiness. He must have done some forelock tugging and apologising in his interviews...
I’d have gone for Robinson personally, but then I’m not the one writing the massive cheques each year, so I have faith that the board have once again made a good, diligent decision and asked the hard questions. It’s classy of them to let bygones be bygones.
RTID.
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I don't remember this story about Wellens and Butler trading blows, what was the craic there?
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I’m not convinced about Wellens’ trustworthiness. He must have done some forelock tugging and apologising in his interviews...
I’d have gone for Robinson personally, but then I’m not the one writing the massive cheques each year, so I have faith that the board have once again made a good, diligent decision and asked the hard questions. It’s classy of them to let bygones be bygones.
RTID.
Have to say that it's looking more and more likely to be wellens given all the articles coming out. I'm really disappointed if I'm honest as I think Robinson would have been a huge appointment for us and perfect for where the club is.
Everything I've heard tells me Wellens is just not what we want or need. I hope to be proved wrong obviously and that he can turn the club around. I can just see his ego screwing Everything up
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I don't remember this story about Wellens and Butler trading blows, what was the craic there?
Me neither, hear plenty of people referring to it but can’t remember anything at the time.
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It looks very much like it’s Wellens. And when you listen to his interviews, once you get past the Manchester accent and occasional butchering of the English language, he has some really insightful views on how the game should be played.
He’s still a developing manager (and I think that’s what we wanted / expected) and I honestly think he might surprise a few on here and you’ll find he’s a far more balanced and considered character than his reputation suggests. As he develops, his character will evolve and I dare say he’s not the same person that clearly upset people with his approach and actions 10 years or so ago. We all change our perspectives as we grow, don’t we.
In the interviews I’ve listened to there’s been plenty of responsibility, humility and sharing praise with others. But clearly the desire is there and his expectations in terms of what he gets back from the players will be very high. We desperately need that.
Let’s wipe the slate clean and give him a chance. It’ll be a tough job, like it would’ve been for any manager, and it won’t all be plain sailing. But it’s in all our interests for him to succeed. He’s obviously convinced the panel, who don’t suffer fools, and they’ve picked him ahead of a load of other decent candidates. Given the views some people have on him, it would have been very easy to just chuck his application out and pick someone else, but it looks like they haven't, and we know they are acting in the best interests of the club. So now we should back him too.
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Betting suspended on Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson on Sky Bet???
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Betting suspended on Bernard Morley and Anthony Johnson on Sky Bet???
Half the market is suspended so I wouldn’t worry
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Can anyone tell me the name of a top manager who isn't a bit sparky when ruffled.
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Being abrasive and falling out with players, top players at that never did Fergie snr any harm, the most decorated manager in the English game
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Having read the numerous comments about Wellens you can hear the knives sharpening from certain fans waiting for him to slip up already. And I sure when he does they’ll be there ready to stick them into him and say “I told you so” with a great deal of glee. Sad really.
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Being abrasive and falling out with players, top players at that never did Fergie snr any harm, the most decorated manager in the English game
With those sorts of managers you might get a few fall outs but if you get the right squad in place the majority will run through brick walls for the boss.
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Having read the numerous comments about Wellens you can hear the knives sharpening from certain fans waiting for him to slip up already. And I sure when he does they’ll be there ready to stick them into him and say “I told you so” with a great deal of glee. Sad really.
I think that most regular posters know who post regularly whether we win or lose and praise or criticise as they see fit
They also know those that always seem to have the same agenda and only post after a defeat or poor performance to have a dig at the club, manager or board.
Surely if you can be bothered to post after a defeat you would also feel inclined to post after a win. I tend to take with a pinch of salt their views as their stance is obvious.
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I don't remember this story about Wellens and Butler trading blows, what was the craic there?
Me neither, hear plenty of people referring to it but can’t remember anything at the time.
It doesn’t ring any bells with me either but if enough people mention it, it gradually becomes an accepted fact.
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I've heard a variety of accounts of the incident which tend to vary slightly however, I think it’s fair to say that Butler and Wellens may have had a slight disagreement.
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I've heard a variety of accounts of the incident which tend to vary slightly however, I think it’s fair to say that Butler and Wellens may have had a slight disagreement.
In fairness, this kind of thing is pretty common in football. It shouldn't be a problem now.
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The only fight I got to hear about, from someone who actually witnessed it was between Wellens and Stock at halftime. Both were subbed and didn't appear 2nd half
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I've heard a variety of accounts of the incident which tend to vary slightly however, I think it’s fair to say that Butler and Wellens may have had a slight disagreement.
Wellens did a interview prior to our game against Charlton in the playoffs where he was praising the job that GM had done.
He then went on to mention having great experienced players like Coppinger and Andy Butler makes a massive difference and how important both have been for us.
I doubt very much he would be praising AB so much if there was any bad blood. There may have been in the past but that's football, it clearly is done and dusted now.
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Well, it was a number of years ago and everyone has probably moved on.
Onwards.