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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #781 on December 06, 2019, 11:30:58 am by SydneyRover »
''The leader of the Scottish National party, Nicola Sturgeon, has tweeted in response to Johnson’s comments that people of colour entering the country should be “democratically controlled”.''

She said: “And the Tories claim that their obsession with immigration is nothing to do with race. This is a shocking – and very revealing – comment.”

He's finally snapped, he's mad  :)

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« Reply #782 on December 06, 2019, 11:32:00 am by SydneyRover »


    David Wearing (@davidwearing)

    Try and understand why many people of colour are genuinely fearful of Johnson and the Tories. The racist speech is sinister and dangerous enough, but from Prevent to the Hostile Environment and Windrush they are mobilising all the resources of the state against us https://t.co/iBLxz3qJik
    December 6, 2019


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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #783 on December 06, 2019, 12:13:40 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Even Johnson's not that batshit. It's a subtitling mistake by C4. He said "people of talent". C4 have apologised.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #784 on December 06, 2019, 03:28:05 pm by Donnywolf »
His Dad (now disappeared) has not apologised for suggesting people were thick as they could not spell Pinocchio

Pompous out of touch / eff you jack / elitist git

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #785 on December 06, 2019, 03:34:57 pm by foxbat »

I’ve listened to 3 times this morning before the storm blew up and made it a matter of opinion, I heard “colour” clearly, and “talent” would not have made sense in that sentence about restricting immigration anyway, look at the context!

It sounded like 'colour' to me, butut hard to check now that Channel 4 have taken it down. Couldn't they have just said 'there's disagreement about what he's saying - make your own mind up?'

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #786 on December 06, 2019, 03:36:41 pm by drfchound »
Even Johnson's not that batshit. It's a subtitling mistake by C4. He said "people of talent". C4 have apologised.






Good of you to correct that BST.
Otherwise some people might have believed that the tweet was correct, like SR did.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #787 on December 06, 2019, 04:12:29 pm by foxbat »
The Independent@Independent


Boris Johnson's Brexit envoy to US resigns with furious attack on government
 'peddling half-truths'

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #788 on December 06, 2019, 04:15:56 pm by foxbat »
BBC Politics

Andrew Neil issues a challenge for Boris Johnson to commit to an interview with him, to face questions on why people have “deemed him to be untrustworthy”

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #789 on December 06, 2019, 04:43:40 pm by Donnywolf »
He's said "yes"

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« Reply #790 on December 06, 2019, 05:13:23 pm by foxbat »
Sometimes Boris Johnson’s unusual representations of the truth – what are sometimes impolitely termed “lies” – hide in plain sight, so to speak.

His years as a journalist have endowed him with the capacity for the most brazen, floridly outrageous statements, and he has developed a rare capacity to deliver them with a straight face and without a hint of blushing.

So after the most acrimonious Nato summit anyone can recall, insults flying and deep strategic differences openly on display, Mr Johnson confirmed the alliance to be “rock solid”, its soon-to-be-30 member states sheltering beneath its “giant shield of solidarity”.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #791 on December 06, 2019, 09:08:50 pm by SydneyRover »

I’ve listened to 3 times this morning before the storm blew up and made it a matter of opinion, I heard “colour” clearly, and “talent” would not have made sense in that sentence about restricting immigration anyway, look at the context!

It sounded like 'colour' to me, butut hard to check now that Channel 4 have taken it down. Couldn't they have just said 'there's disagreement about what he's saying - make your own mind up?'

why did the audience laugh at that point? I'm not sure why they laughed but if he'd said talent there's no reason.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #792 on December 06, 2019, 09:29:54 pm by SydneyRover »
At the end of the debate where 'lies' were discussed johnson's main point let's get brexit done is just another lie.

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« Reply #793 on December 06, 2019, 09:33:07 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
When that question came up about trusting politicians to tell the truth, Johnson was smirking as he answered.

He's revelling in it. And apparently 40% of our compatriots don't really give a f**k about his compulsive and incessant lies.

He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?

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« Reply #794 on December 07, 2019, 06:14:49 am by Donnywolf »
We will see for I fear we will soon see

Then when his compulsion to lie and lie and lie will be shown as true and probably the NHS will go in its present format - and there will be 6 revamped hospitals - we will still have immigration and anything else he has promised

Oh here is one. Stop the export of live animals - sending them thousands of miles to die when they could be killed here (still not ideal) and shipped frozen to the end user. That will be stopped - he says it again and again

Once in power someone from Cumbria Wales Scotland will say that will ruin us and he will say ok we will continue letting you ship theses poor creatures and we will review it. There ends that story and thats how lots of things will go under the carpet

If I am right lots of the people who cant see the lies and threat will realise they have "fallen for it" BUT not all of them

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« Reply #795 on December 07, 2019, 07:57:33 am by SydneyRover »
If as a kid if I'd have brought a 'friend' into the home that lied about pretty much everything my parents would have gone ballistic and I'd have been read the riot act.

If you vote conservative you risk bringing this thug into your lives your children's lives, your home, your kids schools and of course your hospital.
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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #796 on December 07, 2019, 08:17:52 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?

I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.

I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.

Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #797 on December 07, 2019, 08:20:18 am by SydneyRover »
The simple difference here though bfyp is that johnson lies is a liar a reknowned liar and has form as a liar.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #798 on December 07, 2019, 09:17:18 am by BigH »
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?

I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.

I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.

Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.
You've probably touched on the possible silver lining to all this BFYP.

Johnson, Gove, Patel and co will get to own Brexit in all its glory; theirs and theirs alone. They will have no one else to blame for the catastrophe that will unfold.

Labour will get rid of Corbyn and McDonnell. So long as they don't replace them with another bunch of serial losers they mighty actually end up with a credible, electable leadership (although I'm not holding my breath).

So, by the time of the next election in 2024 we might have a situation where Johnson et al have been well and truly rumbled and there's a credible opposition as an alternative.

That's a big 'might' mind you. And Lord knows what will happen in the meantime. All I can see is, at best, another five years of this current Tory dross.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #799 on December 07, 2019, 09:26:18 am by SydneyRover »
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.

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« Reply #800 on December 07, 2019, 09:33:24 am by Donnywolf »
Johnson and all those yes men and women he is surrounded by will be rumbled OR has anyone thought that Johnson may do what Cameron did when he lost the Referendum ?

He may actually jump ship to AVOID the flak that may or may not come his way AND knowing him he may already have the Speech written ?

Wonder what the odds of that would be ? Just think of the legacy. "Got Brexit done" tick handed over power as was burnt out. Then if / when there are not all the things coming to pass that he has led people to believe he has the perfect alibi . Got Brexit done handed over reins to someone else

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #801 on December 07, 2019, 09:36:32 am by wilts rover »
A credible leader is one who lies a lot - is that what people are saying they want - funny old world

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« Reply #802 on December 07, 2019, 09:48:37 am by BillyStubbsTears »
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?

I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.

I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.

Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.

BFYP.

No. That's a lie over a matter of objective truth.

But if you're not having that...

What about the 40 hospitals?
What about Labour spending £1.2trn?
What about the media in the hospital?
What about the Fact Check Twitter page?
What about the 50,000 new nurses?
What about the doctored BBC website?
What about the Russian meddling report?
What about him having no conflict of interest with Jennifer Arcuri?
What about the £350m?
What about Turkey joining the EU?
What about the fabricated story in the Telegraph that got him sacked?
What about lying to the then Tory leader about an affair that got him sacked?
What about bent bananas?
What about the number of children he's fathered?

There's a list of egregious lies and deceptions from him just off the top of my head. Peter Oborne, that well-known Socialist has a list four times longer.

Johnson is a pathological, lifelong liar. And we are about to empower him. I do hope you've never experienced the carnage that an empowered pathological liar can do. I have. I've spent two years picking up the pieces from it at work and just yesterday had a colleague break down in tears over an issue that we are still dealing with.

People like that destroy everything they touch. And we're just about to vote one I to power.

Madness.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
« Reply #803 on December 07, 2019, 10:19:48 am by BigH »
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.

Sydney, those are noble aims, which, funnily enough, I support.

But noble aims are worthless if you don't have the wherewithal to deliver them; in this case overwhelming support of the electorate and the charisma and leadership qualities to pull it off. It's a shame that it looks like it'll take a second General Election failure for Corbyn and his clique to get the message.

Why Corbyn didn't get ruthless and berate Johnson last night for his incompetence, his untrustworthiness, his lies and his cowardice I'll never quite know...

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« Reply #804 on December 07, 2019, 10:47:10 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Couldn't agree more Big H.

I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.

I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.

If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.

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« Reply #805 on December 07, 2019, 11:19:18 am by Campsall rover »
Couldn't agree more Big H.

I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.

I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.

If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
Thought Boris won that debate.

Sorry Corbyn will be a total disaster for this country imo.
He will take us back 40 years.
We will be calling in the IMF to bail us out in 3/4 years if he ties to implement all of the policies in his party’s manifesto.

The Liberals are a disgrace. Cancel Brexit. What’s all that about?
So the referendum and the 52% who voted to leave are irrelevant.

I voted to REMAIN but we lost. WHAT ABOUT DEMOCRACY. The leavers won so we should leave. END OF

He has got a deal with the EU so let’s get on with leaving.

The conservatives at the present time are not my cup of tea and Boris is the wrong man to be Prime minister but he was selected by the Conservative Party so he is what we have got. Like it or not.

As it is at the moment we have to elect a Conservative government as the alternatives are too horrendous to contemplate imo.

Boris and the Conservatives are the least worst option imo. Sorry state of British Politics.

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« Reply #806 on December 07, 2019, 11:30:17 am by Sprotyrover »
Couldn't agree more Big H.

I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.

I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.

If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
I PMSL at Boris "leaders who lied should be made to crawl on hand and knee through the chamber flaggilating themselves with their......bundle of made up Documents about the supposed sell off of the NHS!"
Abosloutly brilliant ! Corbyn pulled that face on Billy avatar caricature absolutely destroyed Corbyn😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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« Reply #807 on December 07, 2019, 11:35:31 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Campsall.

So I guess you haven't seen the IFS analysis that reckons Labour's policies, if implemented in full will only increase the national debt by a couple of percent? Talk of the country needing to be bailed out is just silly. Japan, USA, Germany and others have operated perfectly well in recent years with higher levels of debt than we have or will have under Labour.

By the way. You're obviously old enough to remember Labour going to the IMF for a bail out. Massive news, wasn't it?

I assume you remember the follow up? It turned out the bail out was never needed. The Treasury civil servants, somehow, no-one knows how, got their numbers hopelessly wrong on how much the Govt needed to keep operating.

They corrected them a few months later, but by that time the loan had already been applied for and received.

Dennis Healy, the Chancellor, swore that there'd effectively been a coup by senior civil servants to force the Labour Govt to change policy.


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« Reply #808 on December 07, 2019, 11:36:55 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Sproty.

That in itself was an untruth. Those documents aren't made up.

But hey! There you go. You want a PM who makes you piss yourself while he lies to you, you've got it. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.

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« Reply #809 on December 07, 2019, 12:16:18 pm by Campsall rover »
Sproty.

That in itself was an untruth. Those documents aren't made up.

But hey! There you go. You want a PM who makes you piss yourself while he lies to you, you've got it. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.
BST do you seriously think Corbyn is capable of running our economy without unparalleled levels of debt for this country. We will be paying for them for decades. It will make the present levels of poverty in the Uk look like a Royal tea party.
The Labour Party have done nothing well almost nothing to help those who need it most for a very very long time imo. Probably the last major thing they can be proud of is the Creation of the NHS.
I am not a hardened Tory BST but what they have to offer the British public is definitely better than having a very left wing Prime Minister who will run this country into the ground.
He will drive the brains away and business’s will move elsewhere because of the taxes he will impose.
Jobs will be lost & the very people he wants to help will be much worse off.
You are old enough as well BST to remember the 1970’s and the Chaos the Labour Party was responsible for.
Corbyn will take us back to those dark ages imo.

Anyway i think Corbyn will be lucky if he gets 30% of the vote next Thursday.
A great many of the Labour supporters who want remain will vote Liberal. Even more Labour voters who want to leave will vote either for the Brexit Party if their is a candidate or Conservative because they are the party that will get Brexit done.
That’s what a majority voted for. I didn’t but I lost so hard luck.
Let’s get on with what was voted for.
This non exit of the EU is far and away the most anti democratic thing of my adult life.


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