Coronavirus

[wilts rover]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

Not quite sure you understand the word 'variant' as in 'different to what is already known' here.

Which is why they should already be testing for it. So it stays like 'a common cold' rather than a new respiratory disease that evades current vaccines.

Not saying it will - but after what the world has just gone through it's madness to say it wont - and do nothing.

[ravenrover]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

[BillyStubbsTears]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

This arrogance in blind ignorance of the facts is truly depressing.

Does a common cold kill 500 people a week, as COVID is still doing here? Does it put 500 people a day in hospital?

Of course, COVID is not remotely the threat it was 2 years ago, but it is still not to be f**ked with.

We had friends due to stay over tonight and celebrate the New Year with. They e cancelled. Because the woman's father has developed pneumonia after struggling with COVID for a week. He's now in intensive care after 8 hours in an ambulance outside a barely functioning A&E Dept.

Common f**king cold...

[ncRover]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

This arrogance in blind ignorance of the facts is truly depressing.

Does a common cold kill 500 people a week, as COVID is still doing here? Does it put 500 people a day in hospital?

Of course, COVID is not remotely the threat it was 2 years ago, but it is still not to be f**ked with.

We had friends due to stay over tonight and celebrate the New Year with. They e cancelled. Because the woman's father has developed pneumonia after struggling with COVID for a week. He's now in intensive care after 8 hours in an ambulance outside a barely functioning A&E Dept.

Common f**king cold...

I’m sorry to hear that, I hope he’s well soon. Yes, for the vast majority of people that’s what it is, a common cold. If it was otherwise we’d still have Whitty and Van Tam on our screens.

Common colds can give people pneumonia. Is that more than average for respiratory conditions for this time of year?

[ncRover]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

Yes, no symptoms. But lost an elderly relative in 2020 to it before the vaccines and recent strains. I’m just being realistic about life.

[BillyStubbsTears]

We are all being realistic about life. No-one is calling for lockdowns. But why on earth would you give unrestricted entry into the country from a state that has an uncontrolled outbreak? Why invite in thousands of new cases, at a time when the NHS is already at breaking point?

[ncRover]

We are all being realistic about life. No-one is calling for lockdowns. But why on earth would you give unrestricted entry into the country from a state that has an uncontrolled outbreak? Why invite in thousands of new cases, at a time when the NHS is already at breaking point?

Ok so, say if we could completely isolate China from the world for 5 years. It would end up with completely divergent variants by genetic code than to what we have now. If we were then exposed to them in 5 years, our immune systems would barely recognise the hypothetical variant.

If we were exposed to a new variant (of which hasn’t even been found but would be much closer in generic code to the current circulating variants) now, our immune systems would recognise it, and the IFR would barely go up and the NHS would barely notice.

China will have a higher IFR due to BOTH lack of natural immunity and currently less effective vaccines. We have nothing to worry about. And as I have said it gets out in the end anyway. Did any countries prevent COVID getting in?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Who is talking about isolating China for 5 years?

[ncRover]

Who is talking about isolating China for 5 years?

I’m just talking hypothetically about wanting to keep their viruses away from us. That is the idea behind the requirement for testing, no?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Who is talking about isolating China for 5 years?

I’m just talking hypothetically about wanting to keep their viruses away from us. That is the idea behind the requirement for testing, no?

No. Because China won't have an uncontrolled massive outbreak for 5 years. It'll have gone through 80% of the population by Easter, then infection rates will automatically fall.

The problem at the moment with Chinese travellers is that SO MANY of them have it. Not that any of them have it.

[ravenrover]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

Yes, no symptoms. But lost an elderly relative in 2020 to it before the vaccines and recent strains. I’m just being realistic about life.

So because you had no symptoms I'm all right jack and f@ck everybody else?

[ncRover]

Who is talking about isolating China for 5 years?

I’m just talking hypothetically about wanting to keep their viruses away from us. That is the idea behind the requirement for testing, no?

No. Because China won't have an uncontrolled massive outbreak for 5 years. It'll have gone through 80% of the population by Easter, then infection rates will automatically fall.

The problem at the moment with Chinese travellers is that SO MANY of them have it. Not that any of them have it.

Fair enough, I can see where you’re coming from. I just don’t see it as an issue as I’ve explained and sets an ever more increasing precedent for the government to micromanage our lives.

[wilts rover]

Who is talking about isolating China for 5 years?

I’m just talking hypothetically about wanting to keep their viruses away from us. That is the idea behind the requirement for testing, no?

No. Because China won't have an uncontrolled massive outbreak for 5 years. It'll have gone through 80% of the population by Easter, then infection rates will automatically fall.

The problem at the moment with Chinese travellers is that SO MANY of them have it. Not that any of them have it.

Fair enough, I can see where you’re coming from. I just don’t see it as an issue as I’ve explained and sets an ever more increasing precedent for the government to micromanage our lives.

Yes, that's their job - including the health care system where there are currently not enough beds to meet exisiting needs. So risking the spread of a further highly contagious respiratory disease on top of what they already have is madness. Or utterly selfish. Or both.

[SydneyRover]

Reports of high rates of covid among passengers arriving from China into Milan from 3 days ago.

[ncRover]

Who is talking about isolating China for 5 years?

I’m just talking hypothetically about wanting to keep their viruses away from us. That is the idea behind the requirement for testing, no?

No. Because China won't have an uncontrolled massive outbreak for 5 years. It'll have gone through 80% of the population by Easter, then infection rates will automatically fall.

The problem at the moment with Chinese travellers is that SO MANY of them have it. Not that any of them have it.

Fair enough, I can see where you’re coming from. I just don’t see it as an issue as I’ve explained and sets an ever more increasing precedent for the government to micromanage our lives.

Yes, that's their job - including the health care system where there are currently not enough beds to meet exisiting needs. So risking the spread of a further highly contagious respiratory disease on top of what they already have is madness. Or utterly selfish. Or both.

When has it ever been the government’s job to stop you getting a virus outside of a pandemic?

[Bristol Red Rover]

All immune! I don't think so. I'm fully jabbed but had it twice
That is the point, no one knows if it is a new strain

And how are you now? Exactly.

Either it’s nothing to worry about or there is nothing that can be done about it.

The current China situation just proves that no amount of totalitarianism can stop a virus like this. Any attempt otherwise is just dooming yourself to going round in circles for eternity whilst giving up your freedoms.

An extinction level asteroid could hit earth tomorrow but I don’t live my life accordingly.

Thr China situation has been brought on by poor vaccines and no mass immunisation programme hence no implementation of total lockdown would ever control it as has now been shown with huge surge in cases. The secrecy behind the situation in China regardig numbers infected and type/s of variant is worrying, will workd vaccines cope against any new possible unknown strains
I presume by the word exactly you are assuming that I have no after effects, correct?

Bang on. China has managed COVID horrifically. They have played the "We don't need assistance from Western Imperialists" uber-nationalist card on the vaccines. And there own vaccine has been shite. And they are paying a heavy price now. And possibly causing renewed problems for the rest of the world.

Is someone who is vaccinated more likely to live longer and healthier than someone not vaccinated? Taking into account all illnesses, pre existing illness, all side effects etc etc. Strange that there is no research looking at this. Yet some pump up the vaccine as if its some mythical saviour.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Venn Diagram overlap between COVID/vaccine sceptics and Kremlin apologists is a large one

I wonder why that might be?

[wilts rover]

The Venn Diagram overlap between COVID/vaccine sceptics and Kremlin apologists is a large one

I wonder why that might be?

It may very well be but it wont apply to BRR (who I know). His political affinities have nothing whatsoever to do with his vaccine scepticism (if it is that) and vice-versa.

I disagree with him on both points - as can be seen reguarly - but thats because I disagree with him on both points. It's not connected.

[ncRover]

All immune! I don't think so. I'm fully jabbed but had it twice
That is the point, no one knows if it is a new strain

And how are you now? Exactly.

Either it’s nothing to worry about or there is nothing that can be done about it.

The current China situation just proves that no amount of totalitarianism can stop a virus like this. Any attempt otherwise is just dooming yourself to going round in circles for eternity whilst giving up your freedoms.

An extinction level asteroid could hit earth tomorrow but I don’t live my life accordingly.

Thr China situation has been brought on by poor vaccines and no mass immunisation programme hence no implementation of total lockdown would ever control it as has now been shown with huge surge in cases. The secrecy behind the situation in China regardig numbers infected and type/s of variant is worrying, will workd vaccines cope against any new possible unknown strains
I presume by the word exactly you are assuming that I have no after effects, correct?

Bang on. China has managed COVID horrifically. They have played the "We don't need assistance from Western Imperialists" uber-nationalist card on the vaccines. And there own vaccine has been shite. And they are paying a heavy price now. And possibly causing renewed problems for the rest of the world.

Is someone who is vaccinated more likely to live longer and healthier than someone not vaccinated? Taking into account all illnesses, pre existing illness, all side effects etc etc. Strange that there is no research looking at this. Yet some pump up the vaccine as if its some mythical saviour.

That would probably be more of an indication of  health and lifestyle behaviours and would be very hard to extrapolate the effect of the vaccine / covid infection within that. E.g someone who relies on medication more vs someone who relies on natural remedies / looking after themselves in more holistic ways.

Would be interesting though. Would need a longitudinal study over decades.

[TommyC]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

This arrogance in blind ignorance of the facts is truly depressing.

Does a common cold kill 500 people a week, as COVID is still doing here? Does it put 500 people a day in hospital?

Of course, COVID is not remotely the threat it was 2 years ago, but it is still not to be f**ked with.

We had friends due to stay over tonight and celebrate the New Year with. They e cancelled. Because the woman's father has developed pneumonia after struggling with COVID for a week. He's now in intensive care after 8 hours in an ambulance outside a barely functioning A&E Dept.

Common f**king cold...

These 500 excess deaths we're currently experiencing every week, are you sure they are all Covid deaths?

Would you accept some of the appalling conditions currently being seen in our hospitals may be as a result of the damaging effect of lockdowns rather than simply "Covid deaths"? See comments from the President of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine (monitoring standards of care in A&E Departments) who stated that a severe flu outbreak, which was made worse by a lack of immunity because of Covid isolation measures, has resulted in bed occupancy reaching record levels.

"What we're seeing now in terms of these long waits is being associated with increased mortality, and we think somewhere between 300-500 people are dying as a consequence of delays and problems with urgent and emergency care each week," he told Times Radio. "We need to actually get a grip of this"

A close friend of mine works in a Senior Nursing position in York Hospital and when i saw her over the festive period (looking exhausted) she said it was like "the end of the world" in there, particularly A&E. Her advice was "don't get ill". No mention from her of this crisis being due to Covid deaths.

The absolute shitshow we are seing now appears to me a direct result of our pandemic response. To paint it as further evidence of the lethal nature of Covid looks like simply playing politics with the issue. Disingenuous.

I'm looking forward to the time when our pandemic response and in particular the effect of lockdowns, can be reviewed and balanced against the longer term catastrophic consequences they appear to have caused. The narrative thankfully appears to be shifting in that direction and I fear a few are going to end up with egg on their faces.

See also the decision to print more money in the 18 month pandemic period than was printed during the entire decade following the 2008 financial crash and to shovel that money straight into people's pockets to sit at home, as opposed to 2008 when the QE was kept largely within the financial system/banking institutions. Anyone who says that isn't by far and away the most significant cause of the inflation now being seen, once again appears to me to be avoiding the elephant in the room.

The usual suspects will scream Bergamo, unmitigated outbreaks, bodies piling high as they usually do. I maintain however, our response could and should have been more nuanced and I'm more convinced by the day that there will be shown to have been a better way. No, I can't set out my blueprint of what that would be just yet. But locking people up in their homes sure as shit didn't feel right back then and it doesn't look right now!

[Nudga]

COVID has become a cult for some, they won't admit to any harms done by lockdowns.
I mentioned my wife's safeguarding case load went up by 250% in the first lockdown but it was just "meh" .
Not a mention over the last 4 or 5 months of excess non COVID deaths though, two faced double standard Kitsons.

[SydneyRover]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

This arrogance in blind ignorance of the facts is truly depressing.

Does a common cold kill 500 people a week, as COVID is still doing here? Does it put 500 people a day in hospital?

Of course, COVID is not remotely the threat it was 2 years ago, but it is still not to be f**ked with.

We had friends due to stay over tonight and celebrate the New Year with. They e cancelled. Because the woman's father has developed pneumonia after struggling with COVID for a week. He's now in intensive care after 8 hours in an ambulance outside a barely functioning A&E Dept.

Common f**king cold...

These 500 excess deaths we're currently experiencing every week, are you sure they are all Covid deaths?

Would you accept some of the appalling conditions currently being seen in our hospitals may be as a result of the damaging effect of lockdowns rather than simply "Covid deaths"? See comments from the President of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine (monitoring standards of care in A&E Departments) who stated that a severe flu outbreak, which was made worse by a lack of immunity because of Covid isolation measures, has resulted in bed occupancy reaching record levels.

"What we're seeing now in terms of these long waits is being associated with increased mortality, and we think somewhere between 300-500 people are dying as a consequence of delays and problems with urgent and emergency care each week," he told Times Radio. "We need to actually get a grip of this"

A close friend of mine works in a Senior Nursing position in York Hospital and when i saw her over the festive period (looking exhausted) she said it was like "the end of the world" in there, particularly A&E. Her advice was "don't get ill". No mention from her of this crisis being due to Covid deaths.

The absolute shitshow we are seing now appears to me a direct result of our pandemic response. To paint it as further evidence of the lethal nature of Covid looks like simply playing politics with the issue. Disingenuous.

I'm looking forward to the time when our pandemic response and in particular the effect of lockdowns, can be reviewed and balanced against the longer term catastrophic consequences they appear to have caused. The narrative thankfully appears to be shifting in that direction and I fear a few are going to end up with egg on their faces.

See also the decision to print more money in the 18 month pandemic period than was printed during the entire decade following the 2008 financial crash and to shovel that money straight into people's pockets to sit at home, as opposed to 2008 when the QE was kept largely within the financial system/banking institutions. Anyone who says that isn't by far and away the most significant cause of the inflation now being seen, once again appears to me to be avoiding the elephant in the room.

The usual suspects will scream Bergamo, unmitigated outbreaks, bodies piling high as they usually do. I maintain however, our response could and should have been more nuanced and I'm more convinced by the day that there will be shown to have been a better way. No, I can't set out my blueprint of what that would be just yet. But locking people up in their homes sure as shit didn't feel right back then and it doesn't look right now!

These ones? you could contact the CMO and ask.

''Deaths within 28 days of positive test in England
AVAILABLE ATNATIONLEVEL.
Up to and including 17 December 2022

Last 7 days
508
Direction arrowTHERE HAS BEENAN INCREASE OF8(1.6%)COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS 7 DAYS.
Rate per 100,000 people: 0.9''

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[wilts rover]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

This arrogance in blind ignorance of the facts is truly depressing.

Does a common cold kill 500 people a week, as COVID is still doing here? Does it put 500 people a day in hospital?

Of course, COVID is not remotely the threat it was 2 years ago, but it is still not to be f**ked with.

We had friends due to stay over tonight and celebrate the New Year with. They e cancelled. Because the woman's father has developed pneumonia after struggling with COVID for a week. He's now in intensive care after 8 hours in an ambulance outside a barely functioning A&E Dept.

Common f**king cold...

These 500 excess deaths we're currently experiencing every week, are you sure they are all Covid deaths?

Would you accept some of the appalling conditions currently being seen in our hospitals may be as a result of the damaging effect of lockdowns rather than simply "Covid deaths"? See comments from the President of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine (monitoring standards of care in A&E Departments) who stated that a severe flu outbreak, which was made worse by a lack of immunity because of Covid isolation measures, has resulted in bed occupancy reaching record levels.

"What we're seeing now in terms of these long waits is being associated with increased mortality, and we think somewhere between 300-500 people are dying as a consequence of delays and problems with urgent and emergency care each week," he told Times Radio. "We need to actually get a grip of this"

A close friend of mine works in a Senior Nursing position in York Hospital and when i saw her over the festive period (looking exhausted) she said it was like "the end of the world" in there, particularly A&E. Her advice was "don't get ill". No mention from her of this crisis being due to Covid deaths.

The absolute shitshow we are seing now appears to me a direct result of our pandemic response. To paint it as further evidence of the lethal nature of Covid looks like simply playing politics with the issue. Disingenuous.

I'm looking forward to the time when our pandemic response and in particular the effect of lockdowns, can be reviewed and balanced against the longer term catastrophic consequences they appear to have caused. The narrative thankfully appears to be shifting in that direction and I fear a few are going to end up with egg on their faces.

See also the decision to print more money in the 18 month pandemic period than was printed during the entire decade following the 2008 financial crash and to shovel that money straight into people's pockets to sit at home, as opposed to 2008 when the QE was kept largely within the financial system/banking institutions. Anyone who says that isn't by far and away the most significant cause of the inflation now being seen, once again appears to me to be avoiding the elephant in the room.

The usual suspects will scream Bergamo, unmitigated outbreaks, bodies piling high as they usually do. I maintain however, our response could and should have been more nuanced and I'm more convinced by the day that there will be shown to have been a better way. No, I can't set out my blueprint of what that would be just yet. But locking people up in their homes sure as shit didn't feel right back then and it doesn't look right now!

People weren't 'locked in their homes' and what other response would you suggest to stop the spread of a highly infectious respiratory disease with no known cure that saw medical systems overwhelmed worldwide? 'Let the old people die?'

You are also conflating two different issues - the continuing deaths from one disease - covid - and the run down of the NHS (inc social care) by the Tories since 2010.

[Nudga]

Lone families were removed from beaches and countryside walks. Even had drones out looking for them.

[wilts rover]

Lone families were removed from beaches and countryside walks. Even had drones out looking for them.

So people weren't 'locked in their homes' then?

[wilts rover]

Hospital beds per 1000 people:

Germany 8.0
France 5.9
Belgium 5.6
Switzerland 4.6
Greece 4 2
Portugal 3.5
Holland 3.2
Italy 3.1
Ireland 3.0
UK 2.5

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tommy.

The 500 deaths per week is the current number with COVID as a factor on the death certificate.

I didn't say anything about excess deaths. But since you mention it, I heard the head of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine (I think that was the name of the organisation) on R4 this morning saying that because of the current A&E crisis, he reckons 500 people a week are dying who should be saved. Apart from the few of those who are COVID sufferers, this is totally separate from COVID.

You can take as long as you want concocting an explanation for why A&E delays now are caused by COVID policy in March 2020. Me, I'd prefer to listen to that expert who said the delays are due to long term under investment in the A&E system. But I'm sure you know better.

Regarding the "nuanced system" I'll ask the question I always ask when that comes up. If it was so easy, why did no-one do it? If you know how to run a "nuanced system", I suggest you cut a deal with the Chinese Consulate in Manchester today. Sell yourself to China as a consultant. You'll make a fortune, because 3 years in, they haven't figured out how to protect the vulnerable and let the rest of society crack on.

YOU haven't got a solution to that. NO-ONE has. Because it doesn't exist.

And YES lockdowns didn't feel right. If you only think about lockdown in isolation. On the spot, at the time, we had a choice between lockdown or 4-500,000 deaths over 6 weeks. 2 million people needing hospital treatment from an NHS with 100,000 beds. How "right" would that have felt?

I did predict this in March 2020. That if we avoided the worst, there'd be plenty of people who were protected from experiencing the disaster we might have had, who then woukd self-importantly insist it was all an over-reaction.

[i_ateallthepies]

If there’s a new variant in there it’s already here.

In which case, it won’t cause us any issues. It’s just the govt wanting to be seen to be doing something for people who are still scared over what is now (for us) a common cold.

This Christmas lurgy has caused more disruption, should we give that a name and start testing for it?

You had Covid?

This arrogance in blind ignorance of the facts is truly depressing.

Does a common cold kill 500 people a week, as COVID is still doing here? Does it put 500 people a day in hospital?

Of course, COVID is not remotely the threat it was 2 years ago, but it is still not to be f**ked with.

We had friends due to stay over tonight and celebrate the New Year with. They e cancelled. Because the woman's father has developed pneumonia after struggling with COVID for a week. He's now in intensive care after 8 hours in an ambulance outside a barely functioning A&E Dept.

Common f**king cold...

These 500 excess deaths we're currently experiencing every week, are you sure they are all Covid deaths?

Would you accept some of the appalling conditions currently being seen in our hospitals may be as a result of the damaging effect of lockdowns rather than simply "Covid deaths"? See comments from the President of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine (monitoring standards of care in A&E Departments) who stated that a severe flu outbreak, which was made worse by a lack of immunity because of Covid isolation measures, has resulted in bed occupancy reaching record levels.

"What we're seeing now in terms of these long waits is being associated with increased mortality, and we think somewhere between 300-500 people are dying as a consequence of delays and problems with urgent and emergency care each week," he told Times Radio. "We need to actually get a grip of this"

A close friend of mine works in a Senior Nursing position in York Hospital and when i saw her over the festive period (looking exhausted) she said it was like "the end of the world" in there, particularly A&E. Her advice was "don't get ill". No mention from her of this crisis being due to Covid deaths.

The absolute shitshow we are seing now appears to me a direct result of our pandemic response. To paint it as further evidence of the lethal nature of Covid looks like simply playing politics with the issue. Disingenuous.

I'm looking forward to the time when our pandemic response and in particular the effect of lockdowns, can be reviewed and balanced against the longer term catastrophic consequences they appear to have caused. The narrative thankfully appears to be shifting in that direction and I fear a few are going to end up with egg on their faces.

See also the decision to print more money in the 18 month pandemic period than was printed during the entire decade following the 2008 financial crash and to shovel that money straight into people's pockets to sit at home, as opposed to 2008 when the QE was kept largely within the financial system/banking institutions. Anyone who says that isn't by far and away the most significant cause of the inflation now being seen, once again appears to me to be avoiding the elephant in the room.

The usual suspects will scream Bergamo, unmitigated outbreaks, bodies piling high as they usually do. I maintain however, our response could and should have been more nuanced and I'm more convinced by the day that there will be shown to have been a better way. No, I can't set out my blueprint of what that would be just yet. But locking people up in their homes sure as shit didn't feel right back then and it doesn't look right now!

Years behind the curve there, Tommy Hindsight.

[BillyStubbsTears]

COVID has become a cult for some, they won't admit to any harms done by lockdowns.
I mentioned my wife's safeguarding case load went up by 250% in the first lockdown but it was just "meh" .
Not a mention over the last 4 or 5 months of excess non COVID deaths though, two faced double standard Kitsons.

Nudga
While you catch breath in between calling people who disagree with you b*llocks "double standards Kitsons", some of us have been talking for months about the non-COVID excess death figures. I've just done so a few minute ago.

[Nudga]

COVID has become a cult for some, they won't admit to any harms done by lockdowns.
I mentioned my wife's safeguarding case load went up by 250% in the first lockdown but it was just "meh" .
Not a mention over the last 4 or 5 months of excess non COVID deaths though, two faced double standard Kitsons.

Nudga
While you catch breath in between calling people who disagree with you b*llocks "double standards Kitsons", some of us have been talking for months about the non-COVID excess death figures. I've just done so a few minute ago.

I don't remember you posting anything about non COVID excess deaths "for months".