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Colin C No.3

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1020 on March 25, 2020, 10:09:00 am by Colin C No.3 »
Filo.

Here's a thought. This is the kind of lateral thinking we need from Govt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRampling/status/1242535522691620864

Wouldn’t you just love to see that idea put to Boris live on tv!?



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Filo

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1021 on March 25, 2020, 10:10:20 am by Filo »
Filo.

Here's a thought. This is the kind of lateral thinking we need from Govt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRampling/status/1242535522691620864

Black cabs are ideal, there is a partition, no money needs to change hands the Government can pay the fare

IDM

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1022 on March 25, 2020, 10:14:21 am by IDM »
I can’t get the twitter link on my phone - what’s this idea.?

bpoolrover

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« Reply #1023 on March 25, 2020, 10:24:25 am by bpoolrover »
Filo.

Here's a thought. This is the kind of lateral thinking we need from Govt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRampling/status/1242535522691620864

Wouldn’t you just love to see that idea put to Boris live on tv!?
while safer than public transport it’s still a danger if spreading it this way thou

bpoolrover

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« Reply #1024 on March 25, 2020, 10:25:16 am by bpoolrover »
I can’t get the twitter link on my phone - what’s this idea.?
there are 20k black cab drivers why not get them to drive key workers to work rather than use public transport

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1025 on March 25, 2020, 10:31:58 am by BillyStubbsTears »
And THIS is what I meant when I said a couple of weeks ago that we should be considering a National Coalition Govt.

You need the best brains from all sides. It's not to say that Lab/LD/SNP politicians are smarter than the Tories. It's that the more smart people you have, the more the load can be spread and the more chance there is if the genius left-field idea getting a hearing.

Filo

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1026 on March 25, 2020, 10:42:22 am by Filo »
Prince Charles tests positive for COVID-19, he best stay away from Phil the Greek, that will finish him off for sure

bpoolrover

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« Reply #1027 on March 25, 2020, 11:20:55 am by bpoolrover »
We don’t need a coalition government as they would never agree on anything in fact I can’t think of much worse, yes we need the brains but we don’t need a coalition government to get that surley

pib

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« Reply #1028 on March 25, 2020, 11:29:36 am by pib »
Just been sent this by a friend - you can use this smartphone app to self-report symptoms on a daily basis (even if you are well) to help scientists track the spread of this virus, and identify high-risk areas in the UK.

https://covid.joinzoe.com

Great idea IMO and is one small way that we can all help to tackle this crisis! Sorry if it's already been posted elsewhere.

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1029 on March 25, 2020, 11:32:33 am by Copps is Magic »
Its a major way Pib. In fact, it will be the major way in which the virus in contained once we flatten the curve.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1030 on March 25, 2020, 11:48:01 am by BillyStubbsTears »
We don’t need a coalition government as they would never agree on anything in fact I can’t think of much worse, yes we need the brains but we don’t need a coalition government to get that surley

Yes, because it was a real disaster in WWII wasn't it?

Churchill and Attlee were massive political enemies.

Attlee hated Churchill for having sent in troops to break miners' strikes in Wales.

Churchill accused Attlee of planning a Gestapo police to implement socialism.

Attlee considered Churchill to be an example of the reactionary establishment.

Churchill regularly belittled Attlee as a person of no importance. He said "An empty taxi pulled up outside No10 and Clement Attlee got out." And "Attlee is a modest man, with much to be modest about."

But when we were facing a deadly enemy and economic carnage, they worked together every single day as PM and Deputy PM. Making sure that the fight wasn't about politics. It was about uniting the country.

It's a sad indictment of your thinking about politics that you assume it's always and everywhere about arguing for the sake of arguing.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1031 on March 25, 2020, 11:50:16 am by SydneyRover »
We don’t need a coalition government as they would never agree on anything in fact I can’t think of much worse, yes we need the brains but we don’t need a coalition government to get that surley

Probably correct there for once bp, get rid of johnson and the tories and give the adults a go  :)

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1032 on March 25, 2020, 12:00:44 pm by SydneyRover »
Prince Charles tests positive for COVID-19, he best stay away from Phil the Greek, that will finish him off for sure

Adam Ramsey tweet:

''My parents live in rural NE Scotland. They at risk and will rely on the stretched NHS if they do get Covid-19. Charles Windsor explicitly ignored requests to stay away, risking the lives of countless others so he can be somewhere with a nice view. It's fair to say I'm angry.''


Bristol Red Rover

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« Reply #1033 on March 25, 2020, 12:13:37 pm by Bristol Red Rover »
BST good work with the graphs, always good to see various methods  :thumbsup: FWIW, I prefer what you did before with matching them around the start.

Re the Coalition gov - On the one hand the tories, esp Johnson, won't want to be giving anyone Labour, esp the leadership candidates, any credibility they'd get from being in power as such. On the other hand, if this pans towards being the unavoidable disaster it seems to be, it would give some wiggle room of directing blame, or at least mitigating blame, at a later date. And Johnson is a master at the old wiggle.

SydneyRover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1034 on March 25, 2020, 12:14:39 pm by SydneyRover »
UK Approx 50% spike in new cases and deaths yesterday, hopefully were not going to see that repeated to often.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1035 on March 25, 2020, 12:35:28 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Very interesting (if some what sobering) to see these daily graphs BST, please keep posting them.

USA appear to be in a right pickle looking at that and I don’t see them being able to get on top of it.

A little reassuring to see the UK line, the next few days will give a better understanding to see if we maintain that current curve though.

The halfwits that are ignoring the advise (mainly London it appears on the tube and construction sites) could impact the outcome massively

Ian

Cheers. Happy to be of service. A lot of my job revolves around finding patterns in complex, messy data and drawing reasonable conclusions from that. Not very often that spills out into the world outside my work.

As for the trends, my take today is:

-if we have 50-90 deaths, we are still broadly tracking China and moving progressively more and more below the USA/West Europe trends.

- 90-130 deaths is a bit more worrying: we'll be clearly moving above the China trend.

130+ and we're heading back to the France/USA/Italy position.

Fingers crossed folks. Kind of puts the experience of looking forward to/dreading an upcoming football match into some sort of perspective.

Filo

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« Reply #1036 on March 25, 2020, 12:37:15 pm by Filo »
Very interesting (if some what sobering) to see these daily graphs BST, please keep posting them.

USA appear to be in a right pickle looking at that and I don’t see them being able to get on top of it.

A little reassuring to see the UK line, the next few days will give a better understanding to see if we maintain that current curve though.

The halfwits that are ignoring the advise (mainly London it appears on the tube and construction sites) could impact the outcome massively

Ian

Cheers. Happy to be of service. A lot of my job revolves around finding patterns in complex, messy data and drawing reasonable conclusions from that. Not very often that spills out into the world outside my work.

As for the trends, my take today is:

-if we have 50-90 deaths, we are still broadly tracking China and moving progressively more and more below the USA/West Europe trends.

- 90-130 deaths is a bit more worrying: we'll be clearly moving above the China trend.

130+ and we're heading back to the France/USA/Italy position.

Fingers crossed folks. Kind of puts the experience of looking forward to/dreading an upcoming football match into some sort of perspective.

5 more in Wales today
6 more in Scotland
« Last Edit: March 25, 2020, 02:28:16 pm by Filo »

Ldr

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1037 on March 25, 2020, 12:58:52 pm by Ldr »
Very interesting (if some what sobering) to see these daily graphs BST, please keep posting them.

USA appear to be in a right pickle looking at that and I don’t see them being able to get on top of it.

A little reassuring to see the UK line, the next few days will give a better understanding to see if we maintain that current curve though.

The halfwits that are ignoring the advise (mainly London it appears on the tube and construction sites) could impact the outcome massively

Ian

Cheers. Happy to be of service. A lot of my job revolves around finding patterns in complex, messy data and drawing reasonable conclusions from that. Not very often that spills out into the world outside my work.

As for the trends, my take today is:

-if we have 50-90 deaths, we are still broadly tracking China and moving progressively more and more below the USA/West Europe trends.

- 90-130 deaths is a bit more worrying: we'll be clearly moving above the China trend.

130+ and we're heading back to the France/USA/Italy position.

Fingers crossed folks. Kind of puts the experience of looking forward to/dreading an upcoming football match into some sort of perspective.

BST love the graphs, think the public demands a webcast a la jon snow on election nights complete with swingometer

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1038 on March 25, 2020, 01:01:42 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
You would need a wide angle lens to get my swingometer in shot...

Filo

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1039 on March 25, 2020, 04:10:56 pm by Filo »
New York 5000 cases in one day 😳😳😳😳😳

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1040 on March 25, 2020, 05:15:06 pm by Copps is Magic »
From the Dutch Government a few hours ago. Quite significant, they haven't released anything like this since the start.

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Possible flattening in number of new hospital admissions for patients with COVID-19
Over the past few days, the number of new patients admitted to hospital had shown a rising curve. That curve now seems to be flattening out. This may indicate a slight decline in how fast the virus is spreading. This is an initial indication. We cannot draw solid conclusions on this basis. It will become apparent in the next few days whether the curve is in fact flattening out.

Based on the figures for the number of hospital admissions, mathematical models are used to calculate how fast the virus is spreading. It would also appear that the virus is now spreading less rapidly. Here, too, it will become apparent in the next few days whether this slowing trend continues.

A number of deceased patients were reported again today. However, those reports concerned people who had died sometime within the past few days. Deaths are not always reported immediately. For that reason, a new chart now shows the number of deceased patients according to the day on which they died.

Overview of the numbers
Total number of confirmed cases: 6412 (+852)
Total number of reported deaths: 356 (+ 80)
Total number of confirmed cases who are or were admitted to hospital: 1836 (+341)

The below link also shows hospitalisations due to Covid-19. Appears to have flattened, may even be decreasing.

https://www.rivm.nl/nieuws/actuele-informatie-over-coronavirus/data

adamtherover

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« Reply #1041 on March 25, 2020, 05:35:06 pm by adamtherover »
The figures coming out today are practically non existent, is this the start of something positive,  or just a one off?  We can only hope....

2% increase in new cases and deaths, opposed to huge numbers the day before..?
« Last Edit: March 25, 2020, 05:54:57 pm by adamtherover »

rich1471

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« Reply #1042 on March 25, 2020, 05:39:08 pm by rich1471 »
Off-licences have been added to the government's list of essential UK retailers allowed to stay open during the coronavirus pandemic. only in England

Dutch Uncle

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« Reply #1043 on March 25, 2020, 05:47:02 pm by Dutch Uncle »
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Trump, in common with all populists and demagogues, favours simple solutions to complex problems.

Just caught this from Nick Bryant going down the BBC live ticker. I don't think you will find a more succint account of our current era than this.

Beautifully apposite to Einstein’s ‘things should be as simple as possible, but not more so’

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1044 on March 25, 2020, 05:50:47 pm by Copps is Magic »
The figures coming out today are practically non existent, is this the start of something positive,  or just a one off?  We can only hope....

Figures can change day by day, yes, but there are definitely emerging trends. Most European countries were reporting daily case number increases of 30-40% a few weeks ago. Its now down in most to 10-25%. In Italy the case increase was 7.5% from Yesterday to today - the lowest increase in any Western European country for a long time. As we know the number of cases is not an indication of the overall infection rate, but it can tell you something about the trend. And it also suggests that we should expect to see a much lower number of deaths starting in a few weeks in Italy - as the lag time from infection/hospitalisation passes.

The thing that needs realising, however, is that it is the rate of increase that is flattening - and not the absolute numbers of hospitalisations, positive tests, or deaths which continue to increase. Reducing the rate of increase was the policy of most countries all along and it appears (tentatively) to be working (given our massive-scale social lockdowns!)

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« Reply #1045 on March 25, 2020, 05:59:19 pm by selby »
  I will be disappointed in the future with all this going off here. and the criticism of the government amounts of money given to the NHS, wages for self employed, and  the employed if we continue to shovel money out in foreign aid.

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« Reply #1046 on March 25, 2020, 06:02:56 pm by River Don »
400,000+ volunteering to help the NHS in the space of 24hrs is something I think the country can be proud of.

There are many others volunteering at a local level, who won't be counted in these numbers too. I'm a shopper, helper and general gofer for the retirement flats where my Mum lives. It's not sheltered accommodation but it might as well be given the numbers who are aged over 70, most of whom have underlying health conditions. Basically if it gets in to that building it'll wipe out a large proportion of them. Many are too scared to even step into the corridor.

I think we are in a situation that can only be compared with wartime. I think BST has a point about a coalition government but it might be more realistic if the Labour Party could hurry up, elect a leader and sort a shadow cabinet.

IDM

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« Reply #1047 on March 25, 2020, 06:05:41 pm by IDM »
  I will be disappointed in the future with all this going off here. and the criticism of the government amounts of money given to the NHS, wages for self employed, and  the employed if we continue to shovel money out in foreign aid.

If the country can afford to give overseas aid, it should.

selby

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« Reply #1048 on March 25, 2020, 06:09:08 pm by selby »
  Better things to spend it on in this country now IDM, people have had a good run out of the tax payer in this country, but now it is time to spend  it on our own population.
  The situation has changed.

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1049 on March 25, 2020, 06:25:08 pm by Copps is Magic »
Yeah, the raising out of poverty of 100s of millions of people in India, China, Eastern Europe has had not benefitted us at all Selby. Foreign doctors haven't been trained to work in NHS hospitals. British companies aren't leading in telecommunications and energy supply in Africa. Peace hasn't been brought to many wartorne regions reducing migration pressures.

We should pack it all in and wait for that 350m windfall from leaving the EU.

[/closes irony]

 

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