An alternative view - corona virus

[BillyStubbsTears]

He's right. If that has happened, it is wrong and should be corrected.

But that ain't happened half a million times and counting all round the world.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If you want a REAL conspiracy Nudga, have a look what is happening in Florida.

They have a remarkably low number of CV-19 recorded deaths. Only just over 2000, which is about a fifth of the rate per head that we have in the UK.

Interestingly though, they have recorded many, many more pneumonia deaths. In fact so far this year, they have recorded 5,100 pneumonia deaths.

The usual average for the first 5 months of the year? 918.

[bpoolrover]

What about the possibility of cancer treatments being put on hold that were keeping them alive?

A text message I got from a friend.

from a nurse at st catherines - patients going there from DRI for end of life care - many have been ill with COPD for years - they are all being recorded as covid deaths

it’s the same at the nursing home my niece works at 3 have died and been put down as Covid yet they have not had a positive test yet from anyone living there, that’s not to say they didn’t have it thou

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on then. If this "misreporting"[1] is due to conspiracy rather than cock up, ask yourself who benefits? Why would so many health workers be part of it? What do they gain?

In the case of Florida, there is an obvious conclusion. The civil service in the USA is political. The state is Republican run and is usually on a knifedge politically. There is a lot to be gained by a Republican administration painting a picture that it has handled the crisis better than it actually has done.

[drfchound]

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1266291551363231744?s=19

This is what I've been saying.

Nudga, a friend of mine told me that an older relative of his has died, never been tested for the virus but had it on the death certificate as cause of death.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

Yes. Because doctors do so if the patient is symptomatic.

And yes, they will get some wrong. Both ways.

[Bentley Bullet]

I crossed the road today to avoid someone who was coming towards me. Halfway across a bloody car flew round the corner and nearly wiped me out. I thought afterwards had I been killed would I have been classed as a victim of Covid?

[scawsby steve]

I crossed the road today to avoid someone who was coming towards me. Halfway across a bloody car flew round the corner and nearly wiped me out. I thought afterwards had I been killed would I have been classed as a victim of Covid?

To avoid someone who was coming towards you BB? I didn't think Sydney was back in England yet.

[Bentley Bullet]

Come to think of it SS it might have been him. Just after the incident, I said: "lovely weather we're having!" And he took the Guardian newspaper that he had under his arm, opened it to the weather forecast page and said........."No, it's raining!"

[wilts rover]

Since they started recording covid-19 deaths in March the UK has had 60000 excess deaths - that is 60000 deaths more than there would normally be expected to be at this time of year.

38000 of these are officially recorded by the government of having coronavirus as a cause of death.

What did the other 22000 die of?

And people are trying to claim we have over-reported coronavirus deaths!!!

https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

[Nudga]

A lack of medical care for other illnesses like COPD, cancer etc??

An indirect covid death. Resources going to one department whilst other wards are nigh on empty.

And yes, I do know this as fact.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And it's the same conspiracy from Jakarta to Jerusalem to Rio de Janeiro.

All these medics and nurses and epidemiologists all in on the same scam for the purpose of...well, what?

[wilts rover]

A lack of medical care for other illnesses like COPD, cancer etc??

An indirect covid death. Resources going to one department whilst other wards are nigh on empty.

And yes, I do know this as fact.

Then please put up a link to the ONS statistics on the cause of death for this 'fact'.

[Donnywolf]

Go on then. If this "misreporting"[1] is due to conspiracy rather than cock up, ask yourself who benefits? Why would so many health workers be part of it? What do they gain?

In the case of Florida, there is an obvious conclusion. The civil service in the USA is political. The state is Republican run and is usually on a knifedge politically. There is a lot to be gained by a Republican administration painting a picture that it has handled the crisis better than it actually has done.

Last health scare they had in Florida was that outbreak of pregnant Chads which cost Gore the Preidency of course

[Axholme Lion]

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/04/ex-mi6-boss-claims-coronavirus-started-lab-12802460/

I reckon he'll be right.

[Mike_F]

Karol Sikora is a crank with an agenda.

He's been admonished previously by Imperial College London for making a false claim about having an association with them and lying about having an honorary doctorate.

He's heavily invested in private healthcare and is a vocal proponent of privatising the NHS.

All that notwithstanding, he is a medical professional so his views should hold some credence. Except that as he well knows and has as many other medical professionals have reminded him in the responses to his tweet, there are very often numerous contributing factors on a death certificate. Anyone showing symptoms of CoViD-19 would have this noted as a contributory factor.

But all this is the social media equivalent of a red-top printing a headline on the front page on Monday and a retraction in very small print on page twelve on Thursday. The damage is done.

[Nudga]

Figures from NHS England of people whose death certificate shows death from ONLY coronavirus.

0-19: 3
20-39: 32
40-59: 244
60-79: 538
80+: 448

Total: 1265

[turnbull for england]

All along we have known that its not as likely to kill those in rude health, its its effect on those  with weakened systems thats the greatest impact hence locking down those at risk   

[Nudga]

I remember everyone being locked down.

[IDM]

Yes, to prevent those at lower risk spreading the disease to the more vulnerable members of society.

[Nudga]

There were other ways.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on then. What was the most common co-morbidity? And what did we know about the vulnerability of people with that disease back in March?

[Nudga]

Oh hello Harold Shitmum, fancy that eh.

Well we don't know for sure because if a patient went in with a runny nose and died of cancer, they didn't even have to test did they.
It was a f**kin visual diagnosis.

We knew quite early on about who was vulnerable, the Italian death figures told us that.

[Nudga]

: Coronavirus
« Reply #48 on 24-02-2020, 13:09:15 by Metalmicky »
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Interesting to see the death rate by age...

COVID-19 - Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentage shown below does NOT represent in any way the share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

AGE - DEATH RATE*
80+ years old - 14.8%
70-79 years old - 8.0%
60-69 years old - 3.6%
50-59 years old - 1.3%
40-49 years old - 0.4%
30-39 years old - 0.2%
20-29 years old - 0.2%
10-19 years old - 0.2%
0-9 years old - no fatalities

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga.
The information on what is on death certificates is out there.

25% of deaths were in people who also had diabetes. That is by far the biggest co-morbidity. We didn't know in March that would be the case.

There are something like 4-5 million people in the country with diabetes. If we hadn't locked down and the virus cases had kept on doubling every 3-4 days, think how many of those would have caught the virus.

Easy to say that there could have been a different policy on lockdown. How would you have addressed those vulnerabilities that we didn't know existed?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Or look at it in a simpler way.

There are about 17 million people in the UK between 50-69 years old.

If we hadn't locked down, by early May, about 60-70% of the population would have caught the virus.

So that would be about 10 or 12 million infections in that age group.

The figures that you have just posted say about 2.5% of that age group who have caught the virus have died.

2.5% of 10-12 million is 250-300,000.

Dead.

Nearly all in a 5-6 week period.

Except it would have been FAR higher than that because the 2.5% fatality rate is based on a situation where critically ill people got ICU beds. Without the lockdown, that would have ended in early April. And most of that 10-12 million would have been left to fend for themselves.

I know you will ignore that and find some other batshit nonsense to argue your point, but out here in the sane world, that is what we know damn well would have happened.

You have the privilege of indulging in your conspiracy theories because you aren't living in that alternative world where that happened. Because (albeit too late) we did the right thing.

[Nudga]

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1273300221003534337?s=19

[silent majority]

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1273300221003534337?s=19

That's some serious screwed up shit being pushed out that company. A Federal crime?

Alternative Omega Energy? Based in Cambodia?

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1273300221003534337?s=19

That's some serious screwed up shit being pushed out that company. A Federal crime?

Alternative Omega Energy? Based in Cambodia?

With a website that makes Sequentia Capital's look like a Silicon Valley star.

[Nudga]

😂😂 What ever.
Just thought the clip kind of backed up what I was saying a few weeks back, as in, the numbers are/were being inflated.