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Quote from: DonnyOsmond on August 02, 2021, 12:48:45 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 12:16:02 pmSo why don't they remain in France then instead of risking their lives sailing across the Channel in dinghies to get in the UK where they will receive fewer benefits?Because it's not purely about the monetary figure they'd receive. They may be able to speak English or may have family over here already.In that case, they may have a stronger case to apply for asylum. What about those who can't speak English or don't have family here?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 12:16:02 pmSo why don't they remain in France then instead of risking their lives sailing across the Channel in dinghies to get in the UK where they will receive fewer benefits?Because it's not purely about the monetary figure they'd receive. They may be able to speak English or may have family over here already.
So why don't they remain in France then instead of risking their lives sailing across the Channel in dinghies to get in the UK where they will receive fewer benefits?
Without walking you down the garden path, my point is you haven't answered post 111.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 01:54:22 pmWithout walking you down the garden path, my point is you haven't answered post 111.I can't find anything about people claiming for family members in other countries. Maybe you should vote for another party if they're not solving current issues the country is having.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 01:54:22 pmWithout walking you down the garden path, my point is you haven't answered post 111.Post 111 is just full of statements? No questions; nothing to answer to.I'll bite though - why wouldn't we be proud our country has so much to offer people that people would prefer to come here that stay in France?(BB - That is a question, and you seem to insist on people answering questions when they are asked, so...)
Quote from: bobjimwilly on August 02, 2021, 02:30:58 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 01:54:22 pmWithout walking you down the garden path, my point is you haven't answered post 111.Post 111 is just full of statements? No questions; nothing to answer to.I'll bite though - why wouldn't we be proud our country has so much to offer people that people would prefer to come here that stay in France?(BB - That is a question, and you seem to insist on people answering questions when they are asked, so...)BJW. Have a walk around Hexthorpe, for instance, and come back and tell me it makes you proud of our country.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on July 31, 2021, 11:29:07 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 11:21:54 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on July 30, 2021, 10:40:08 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on July 30, 2021, 07:23:41 pmI always find it strange why anyone would be against immigration anyway? How do people think American became the most powerful, and at one point the richest, country in the world?That's a good comparison! The population Density of the USA is 80 per square mile, the population Density of the Uk is 700 per square mile.Yeah but with an EU passport you could live in any of 27 other countries in the wealthiest bloc in the worldYes the EU is the promised land!, so why have we got illegal immigrants crossing the Chanel from this Utopian Paradise?Why have we got hundreds of thousands of Romas living here just what is wrong with the EI that makes us so attractive?I guess the Roma were born in the UK which makes them citizens, what's your heritage sprot, related to the royal family?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 11:21:54 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on July 30, 2021, 10:40:08 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on July 30, 2021, 07:23:41 pmI always find it strange why anyone would be against immigration anyway? How do people think American became the most powerful, and at one point the richest, country in the world?That's a good comparison! The population Density of the USA is 80 per square mile, the population Density of the Uk is 700 per square mile.Yeah but with an EU passport you could live in any of 27 other countries in the wealthiest bloc in the worldYes the EU is the promised land!, so why have we got illegal immigrants crossing the Chanel from this Utopian Paradise?Why have we got hundreds of thousands of Romas living here just what is wrong with the EI that makes us so attractive?
Quote from: Sprotyrover on July 30, 2021, 10:40:08 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on July 30, 2021, 07:23:41 pmI always find it strange why anyone would be against immigration anyway? How do people think American became the most powerful, and at one point the richest, country in the world?That's a good comparison! The population Density of the USA is 80 per square mile, the population Density of the Uk is 700 per square mile.Yeah but with an EU passport you could live in any of 27 other countries in the wealthiest bloc in the world
Quote from: bobjimwilly on July 30, 2021, 07:23:41 pmI always find it strange why anyone would be against immigration anyway? How do people think American became the most powerful, and at one point the richest, country in the world?That's a good comparison! The population Density of the USA is 80 per square mile, the population Density of the Uk is 700 per square mile.
I always find it strange why anyone would be against immigration anyway? How do people think American became the most powerful, and at one point the richest, country in the world?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 01:15:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on August 02, 2021, 12:48:45 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 12:16:02 pmSo why don't they remain in France then instead of risking their lives sailing across the Channel in dinghies to get in the UK where they will receive fewer benefits?Because it's not purely about the monetary figure they'd receive. They may be able to speak English or may have family over here already.In that case, they may have a stronger case to apply for asylum. What about those who can't speak English or don't have family here?The 1951 Refugee Conventionhttps://www.unhcr.org/en-au/1951-refugee-convention.html
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 31, 2021, 11:55:35 amQuote from: Sprotyrover on July 31, 2021, 11:29:07 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 11:21:54 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on July 30, 2021, 10:40:08 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on July 30, 2021, 07:23:41 pmI always find it strange why anyone would be against immigration anyway? How do people think American became the most powerful, and at one point the richest, country in the world?That's a good comparison! The population Density of the USA is 80 per square mile, the population Density of the Uk is 700 per square mile.Yeah but with an EU passport you could live in any of 27 other countries in the wealthiest bloc in the worldYes the EU is the promised land!, so why have we got illegal immigrants crossing the Chanel from this Utopian Paradise?Why have we got hundreds of thousands of Romas living here just what is wrong with the EI that makes us so attractive?I guess the Roma were born in the UK which makes them citizens, what's your heritage sprot, related to the royal family?Wrong there Sydders most of the Roma were born in the former Czech Republic and Romania, where they lived literally on rubbish tipsThat's one of the reasons they chuck everything into the street, no Bobby has ever taught them how to behave. The other reason is is you go down Popple Street in Fir Vale sheffield you will think it's a football crowd, but that's what you get when 32 folks share a 2 up 2 down! Somebody set up a pop up hut buying jumble clothes, nobody dare put their washing out to dry for 6 months!
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 02, 2021, 01:20:47 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 01:15:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on August 02, 2021, 12:48:45 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 02, 2021, 12:16:02 pmSo why don't they remain in France then instead of risking their lives sailing across the Channel in dinghies to get in the UK where they will receive fewer benefits?Because it's not purely about the monetary figure they'd receive. They may be able to speak English or may have family over here already.In that case, they may have a stronger case to apply for asylum. What about those who can't speak English or don't have family here?The 1951 Refugee Conventionhttps://www.unhcr.org/en-au/1951-refugee-convention.htmlYour Cobbers know how to sort em mate, thirteen ships of the Armidale class for a start, the RNLI are a humanitarian organisation, we need to take a leaf out of Sydders adopted countries books and use our navy to take em back to France?
Record beat again last Thursday. 592 people made the crossing in a single day. Where on earth are all these people being put.?
Quote from: normal rules on August 14, 2021, 09:58:39 pmRecord beat again last Thursday. 592 people made the crossing in a single day. Where on earth are all these people being put.?At yours and mine's expense .We can't even solve our own relative poverty .Never mind at least the lefty middle class ease their conscience in the big city's .The metropolitan middle class ?Is why you'll never get a Labour government .Fact .
It's quite disturbing, (distressing?), how many people on here, (and elsewhere in the UK), fail to see these people as human beings in dire need of help. Farage and his yob mob did a right good job on some folk! I hope you're, (NOT), proud of yourselves!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on August 15, 2021, 09:31:50 amIt's quite disturbing, (distressing?), how many people on here, (and elsewhere in the UK), fail to see these people as human beings in dire need of help. Farage and his yob mob did a right good job on some folk! I hope you're, (NOT), proud of yourselves!Please don’t mistake my comments as anti humanitarian. They are not intended that way. This is a crisis. We are not the land of milk and honey. We have our own issues in this country with poverty and homelessness. We don’t need it adding to. As a suggestion, there is plenty of work in Lincolnshire for these people, instead of putting them in four star hotels in Kensington. Clements veg processing plant even has its own small town of static caravans to house them in. But they will end up on the black underground labour market, slaving away in some car wash or takeaway business. The uk govt is powerless to deport them also. All this talk from PP about sending them back to the last euro country they came from is poppy cock . There is no way the french will take them back.
You have no idea what I do for a living. I work closely with immigration enforcement as part of a partner agency strategy. The uk govt makes no disparity between economic migrants and asylum seekers. They are either illegal entrants or not. It’s that simple. I read no daily rag. I base my comments on real life experience. I have personally been involved in extraditions within the schengen area pre covid. The uk is not the place for tens of thousands of migrants to settle.
Quote from: normal rules on August 15, 2021, 08:33:28 pmYou have no idea what I do for a living. I work closely with immigration enforcement as part of a partner agency strategy. The uk govt makes no disparity between economic migrants and asylum seekers. They are either illegal entrants or not. It’s that simple. I read no daily rag. I base my comments on real life experience. I have personally been involved in extraditions within the schengen area pre covid. The uk is not the place for tens of thousands of migrants to settle.On the ground experience seems to escape the lefty experts on here .But fair play for trying .
Quote from: tyke1962 on August 15, 2021, 11:32:16 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 15, 2021, 08:33:28 pmYou have no idea what I do for a living. I work closely with immigration enforcement as part of a partner agency strategy. The uk govt makes no disparity between economic migrants and asylum seekers. They are either illegal entrants or not. It’s that simple. I read no daily rag. I base my comments on real life experience. I have personally been involved in extraditions within the schengen area pre covid. The uk is not the place for tens of thousands of migrants to settle.On the ground experience seems to escape the lefty experts on here .But fair play for trying .Tyke he also I think told us he was in the army''Non Taliban leave afghan.Then carpet bomb every f**king square kilometre. Twice over''
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 15, 2021, 11:47:03 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on August 15, 2021, 11:32:16 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 15, 2021, 08:33:28 pmYou have no idea what I do for a living. I work closely with immigration enforcement as part of a partner agency strategy. The uk govt makes no disparity between economic migrants and asylum seekers. They are either illegal entrants or not. It’s that simple. I read no daily rag. I base my comments on real life experience. I have personally been involved in extraditions within the schengen area pre covid. The uk is not the place for tens of thousands of migrants to settle.On the ground experience seems to escape the lefty experts on here .But fair play for trying .Tyke he also I think told us he was in the army''Non Taliban leave afghan.Then carpet bomb every f**king square kilometre. Twice over''Sydney I'm for everyone having a fair crack in this world .Reality doesn't exactly fit that narrative .I've had more lessons from Billy and co on reality with regards to the this and that on this board that you can shake a fecking stick at .Life ain't fair , twas ever thus .Absolutely ain't no way you will sell illegal crossings of the English channel as some kind of humanitarian crisis that's going to strike a chord with enough of the electorate .This is planet reality .I've a heart and I'm a socialist at heart but I ain't a mug and clearly that's the issue here .This is a country with wealth except you fail to understand it's not shared enough within its population to any significant extent .Expecting people to be sympathetic towards illegal migrants is at best flawed and naive for those who are struggling themselves .The Tories have you played all day long but many of you continue down the path that gives them the ammunition they need to get elected .Your as much as the problem as anybody .Who gives a feck about cruel to foreigners when our own low paid have it hard .Get fecking real please .
You have no idea what I do for a living. I work closely with immigration enforcement as part of a partner agency strategy. The uk govt makes no disparity between economic migrants and asylum seekers. They are either illegal entrants or not. It’s that simple. RI read no daily rag. I base my comments on real life experience. I have personally been involved in extraditions within the schengen area pre covid. The uk is not the place for tens of thousands of migrants to settle.