Brexit Dividend

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

negative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for  what exactly.
 I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.

Just a little thing called democracy.

What’s your view on giving Scotland a vote on independence?

Democracy and the right to self-determination go hand in hand.

So are you against the Conservatives refusal to allow Scotland to be self determining?

1. They had a "once in a generation" vote not long ago.

2. Is it the right of Scots or people living in Scotland? Two very different things.

[aidanstu]

negative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for  what exactly.
 I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.

Just a little thing called democracy.

What’s your view on giving Scotland a vote on independence?

Democracy and the right to self-determination go hand in hand.

So are you against the Conservatives refusal to allow Scotland to be self determining?

1. They had a "once in a generation" vote not long ago.

2. Is it the right of Scots or people living in Scotland? Two very different things.

The Scottish never said it should be a once in a generation vote; the conservatives did.

You know fine well that vote was taken before Brexit and the Scot’s were forced into a deal they didn’t want or vote for.

Why should people only get to vote once on something; what other walk of life does that happen in? Things change, times change and that approach hardly supports the concept of democracy does it?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

negative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for  what exactly.
 I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.

Just a little thing called democracy.

What’s your view on giving Scotland a vote on independence?

Democracy and the right to self-determination go hand in hand.

So are you against the Conservatives refusal to allow Scotland to be self determining?

1. They had a "once in a generation" vote not long ago.

2. Is it the right of Scots or people living in Scotland? Two very different things.

The Scottish never said it should be a once in a generation vote; the conservatives did.

You know fine well that vote was taken before Brexit and the Scot’s were forced into a deal they didn’t want or vote for.

Why should people only get to vote once on something; what other walk of life does that happen in? Things change, times change and that approach hardly supports the concept of democracy does it?

Just like the snp you are trying to rewrite history a little.  I know the person who said it is now a Russian today TV presenter, so their word may not be wholely truthful, however he did sign the agreement and say the words.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-29196661

You'll also remember the many elements the snp stated as the case for independence that didn't turn out to be true either - oil and gas the obvious one.

So, do we have a vote every week, every year, every time the wind changes?

What would becoming independent and joining the EU mean for Scotland? A great big mess is the answer.

[danumdon]

I think also you have to look at Scottish independence from the other view of how a decision either way impacts on the future of all of the UK,

What affect would a possible parting of the ways for Scotland from the UK have on the remaining constitutes of the Uk?

I would say that as it does impact others then they should also have a say in the future of the Union.

Because the country is a union in the same way that the Brexit vote impacted all corners regardless of the local vote then a future independence vote for Scotland should include a UK wide vote.

After all its only democratic to do it this way.

[normal rules]

I wonder what an independant Scotland would do for an armed Force? They have none currently. Would they join NATO?
Our Nuclear deterrent is currently based in Scotland, and unless I’m mistaken, there is no other coastal location suitable for submarines in England or Wales. Because of a lack of deep water close to the coast. That’s why Scotland is used.

[ravenrover]

Isn't Poole harbour one of the deepest in the world and what about Milford Haven?

[normal rules]

Isn't Poole harbour one of the deepest in the world and what about Milford Haven?

You are right to point the two out as possible locations. There is more to my initial point though. Yes, they have deep water access, however, in the case of Poole, there is a requirement that the council to have a plan in place in case of a radiation emergency, including stocking enough iodine tablets for people within a 1.5km radius of the port.
And neither location has a suitable nearby location for nuclear warhead storage.
Plymouth is another possible, but because of the dense population and lack of nearby storage potential I think that’s a no also.
Scotland ticks all the boxes. Remote, suitable storage nearby and deep water access.
It’s been considered as part of the Scottish ref plans in 2014. It would cause a big headache if it happened.

[ravenrover]

I saw something recently where the low cloud cover for most of the year was also beneficial to it's location, stopped sat spying

[normal rules]

It’s no secret where it is. You can see the storage facility on google maps.

[ravenrover]

Oh come on at least credit me with a bit more intelligence.  It was more to do with what activity was going on at any one time away from prying eyes above

[normal rules]

Sorry. I was talking about the storage dump. Not Faslane.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Oh come on at least credit me with a bit more intelligence.  It was more to do with what activity was going on at any one time away from prying eyes above

Russia have spies embedded in the hills almost permanently around the base.  There's many vantage points where you can see every part of the bases and areas around them.  The navy aren't that bothered that activity can be seen, they want to make it clear that we have a capability, that's part of the deterrent.  It's when the subs are at sea they want them hidden.

I remember as a kid at school near the base one of the teachers was very pro cnd.  It was parents evening that night and he was having a rant. One of the other lads piped up and said he should discuss it with his dad that night, he was a missile technician.  The teacher often forgot half of us had mainly dad's who worked at the base in some form.  Cost us a few lunchtimes winding him up mind.

[SydneyRover]

68% of Ukrainians want to join the EU to help retain independence and sovereignty

[BillyStubbsTears]

Posted without comment. Other than...what the hell have we done?

https://mobile.twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1507619876537520132

[belton rover]

Posted without comment. Other than...what the hell have we done?

https://mobile.twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1507619876537520132

I think what you mean is ‘posted with comment’.

[tyke1962]

68% of Ukrainians want to join the EU to help retain independence and sovereignty

Good Luck with that .

[tyke1962]

Posted without comment. Other than...what the hell have we done?

https://mobile.twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1507619876537520132

Democratically voted to leave perhaps ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Then own the consequences Tyke. This is on you.

[tyke1962]

Then own the consequences Tyke. This is on you.

The country is completely fecked up Billy .

Nobody speaks or represents the lower paid anymore .

They stuck two fingers up and it doesn't much matter  because they were fecked anyway either way .

A totally free hit .

The fact they pyssed you off is testament to that and your own beliefs which aren't there's .

The fact that many people such as yourself called them thick , uneducated and racist means the current pro EU Labour Party leader has no wriggle room .

The Tories are corrupt , not fit for office and look after themselves .

That wasn't the issue , the silent majority wanted to feck you over and they did .

Own that .

[SydneyRover]

68% of Ukrainians want to join the EU to help retain independence and sovereignty

And a better economic future

[BillyStubbsTears]

Christ Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.

Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war.

You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.

Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?

[tyke1962]

Christ Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.

Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war.

You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.

Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?

Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .

I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .

They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .

That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .

It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .

[tyke1962]

68% of Ukrainians want to join the EU to help retain independence and sovereignty

And a better economic future

If it's a successful one I'll give you that , if it isn't the EU will impose austerity quicker than Cameron and Osborne could do on acid .

Ask the Greeks and Italians how that works out .

[SydneyRover]

Christ Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.

Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war.

You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.

Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?

Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .

I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .

They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .

That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .

It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .

I can see why you and your circle were seen as such an easy mark.

[selby]

  Billy, have you seen  the price of Brent Crude oil and gas? They will not be doing any harm at all to the value of exports.

[SydneyRover]

  Billy, have you seen  the price of Brent Crude oil and gas? They will not be doing any harm at all to the value of exports.

Or about 1% of GDP

[Glyn_Wigley]

Christ Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.

Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war.

You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.

Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?

Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .

I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .

They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .

That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .

It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .

Why do you keep going on about the country being fecked up when it's you and your mates that have fecked the country up? It's like you're proud of it but don't want to take any blame for it.

[danumdon]

Christ Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.

Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war.

You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.

Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?

Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .

I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .

They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .

That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .

It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .

Why do you keep going on about the country being fecked up when it's you and your mates that have fecked the country up? It's like you're proud of it but don't want to take any blame for it.

Glyn, would you care to put some meat on the bones of how Tyke and people like him have fu*cked up the country with him being just a lad from South Yorkshire and all that and his surmane not being Johnson?

[selby]

  It depends if you play by the EU rules or not, When Russia invaded  the Ukraine in 2014 the EU put a ban on all arms sales to Russia.
  In that time line over £300 million pounds worth of arms were exported to Russia by EU member countries, France being by far the worst offender with £233.7 million pounds worth of sales and Austria  that good old neutral country well up there in sales of arms.
 You will be pleased to know that the UK over that time period had a sales figure of £0, zilch, nothing.
  So a big Brexit Dividend is parting company with cheating two faced  countries that cheat and do what they want when they want.
  As an aside I cannot for the life of me understand what Russia would want French equipment for, they have not won a war for hundreds of years, although I suppose they could be running shoes I guess. 

[SydneyRover]

  It depends if you play by the EU rules or not, When Russia invaded  the Ukraine in 2014 the EU put a ban on all arms sales to Russia.
  In that time line over £300 million pounds worth of arms were exported to Russia by EU member countries, France being by far the worst offender with £233.7 million pounds worth of sales and Austria  that good old neutral country well up there in sales of arms.
 You will be pleased to know that the UK over that time period had a sales figure of £0, zilch, nothing.
  So a big Brexit Dividend is parting company with cheating two faced  countries that cheat and do what they want when they want.
  As an aside I cannot for the life of me understand what Russia would want French equipment for, they have not won a war for hundreds of years, although I suppose they could be running shoes I guess.

Yep noone likes the exocet aye?