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not to mention untrue.
We elect a government to make the ‘hard’ decisions during times of difficulty, decisions made to protect the mass of the country’s population.If those decisions include restrictions on air travel, large gatherings of people, the ‘enforced’ wearing of masks in public places, cancellations of ‘non-urgent’ operations or full lockdown then so be it.We’re in the throes of a pandemic & that has been the case for over two years & could well be the case for the next two or more years with the real possibility of even more transmissible variants of covid rearing their heads as we now brace ourselves to deal with the Omicron variant.I don’t have a business to run but I’ve had an operation put on hold for the foreseeable future, three hospital consultations cancelled in the past two years & understandably so as the NHS frontline staff gear up for another testing time on the near horizon whilst still dealing with patients suffering from covid as they have since early 2020.‘I’ve had to cancel my holiday again’……do me a favour.Anyone who describes the current situation in the country as “…a charade of endless panic & restrictions” needs a reality check & a good slap.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on December 07, 2021, 02:57:39 pmEven the fully jabbed will have to isolate for 10 days if they get Omicron. Not much point in getting jabbed and testing yourself then really. Do vaccine passports not now work for Omicron then? I can't think why you would want to get tested.
Even the fully jabbed will have to isolate for 10 days if they get Omicron. Not much point in getting jabbed and testing yourself then really. Do vaccine passports not now work for Omicron then?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 07, 2021, 03:36:02 pmQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on December 07, 2021, 02:57:39 pmEven the fully jabbed will have to isolate for 10 days if they get Omicron. Not much point in getting jabbed and testing yourself then really. Do vaccine passports not now work for Omicron then? I can't think why you would want to get tested.Agree. I've had various colds and things in the past 20 months and not tested once. My kid got tested once before school first went back until we realised it was a load of cobblers and that she'd bascially have to stick carcinogenic swabs in mouth and nose twice a week until the end of time. Some parents are actually still subjectig their kids to this nonsense. I'm furious too. Just got the kid back from school and she said they were all sat in class freezing to death in their coats with the bloody windows open. Letter to the public health dept incoming and also school board of governers. Don't bother with the head anymore as he's a grade A prick and already knows my feelings. There has to some sort of law against subjecting kids to be sat in the cold whilst in school? Rather teach from home now as school is becoming like a medieval prison.
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 07, 2021, 02:21:02 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 07, 2021, 01:01:13 pmQuote from: selby on December 07, 2021, 10:33:54 am The government really cannot win, they have had criticism for not locking down early enough, for imposing restrictions now that are too heavy handed especially for air travel, and any business with a vested interest in self preservation such as hospitality, travel, and the arts kick up a fuss at every restriction that is brought in that effects them. It really is a Rock and a Hard place helped by the nobody tells me what to do brigade. If it wasn't so serious it would be very funny, and with very well off people like Elton John kicking off about the amount of money it is costing him at times it is simply hilarious. On a TV broadcast this morning it was stated that over 90% of those hospitalised at the moment are not vaccinated, that is the problem. Giving them hospital treatment is a given, the conversation should they be given that treatment is another conversation all together.Should people who are injured in a motor accident be refused treatment owing to them being on the road and at risk of an accident?The largest single group of unvaccinated people in hospital are children under 12 btw. are you sure about the under 12s mate seems abit oddYes this was the chart published last weekhttps://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1466439163973181440
Quote from: wilts rover on December 07, 2021, 01:01:13 pmQuote from: selby on December 07, 2021, 10:33:54 am The government really cannot win, they have had criticism for not locking down early enough, for imposing restrictions now that are too heavy handed especially for air travel, and any business with a vested interest in self preservation such as hospitality, travel, and the arts kick up a fuss at every restriction that is brought in that effects them. It really is a Rock and a Hard place helped by the nobody tells me what to do brigade. If it wasn't so serious it would be very funny, and with very well off people like Elton John kicking off about the amount of money it is costing him at times it is simply hilarious. On a TV broadcast this morning it was stated that over 90% of those hospitalised at the moment are not vaccinated, that is the problem. Giving them hospital treatment is a given, the conversation should they be given that treatment is another conversation all together.Should people who are injured in a motor accident be refused treatment owing to them being on the road and at risk of an accident?The largest single group of unvaccinated people in hospital are children under 12 btw. are you sure about the under 12s mate seems abit odd
Quote from: selby on December 07, 2021, 10:33:54 am The government really cannot win, they have had criticism for not locking down early enough, for imposing restrictions now that are too heavy handed especially for air travel, and any business with a vested interest in self preservation such as hospitality, travel, and the arts kick up a fuss at every restriction that is brought in that effects them. It really is a Rock and a Hard place helped by the nobody tells me what to do brigade. If it wasn't so serious it would be very funny, and with very well off people like Elton John kicking off about the amount of money it is costing him at times it is simply hilarious. On a TV broadcast this morning it was stated that over 90% of those hospitalised at the moment are not vaccinated, that is the problem. Giving them hospital treatment is a given, the conversation should they be given that treatment is another conversation all together.Should people who are injured in a motor accident be refused treatment owing to them being on the road and at risk of an accident?The largest single group of unvaccinated people in hospital are children under 12 btw.
The government really cannot win, they have had criticism for not locking down early enough, for imposing restrictions now that are too heavy handed especially for air travel, and any business with a vested interest in self preservation such as hospitality, travel, and the arts kick up a fuss at every restriction that is brought in that effects them. It really is a Rock and a Hard place helped by the nobody tells me what to do brigade. If it wasn't so serious it would be very funny, and with very well off people like Elton John kicking off about the amount of money it is costing him at times it is simply hilarious. On a TV broadcast this morning it was stated that over 90% of those hospitalised at the moment are not vaccinated, that is the problem. Giving them hospital treatment is a given, the conversation should they be given that treatment is another conversation all together.
Quote from: wilts rover on December 07, 2021, 04:04:33 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 07, 2021, 02:21:02 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 07, 2021, 01:01:13 pmQuote from: selby on December 07, 2021, 10:33:54 am The government really cannot win, they have had criticism for not locking down early enough, for imposing restrictions now that are too heavy handed especially for air travel, and any business with a vested interest in self preservation such as hospitality, travel, and the arts kick up a fuss at every restriction that is brought in that effects them. It really is a Rock and a Hard place helped by the nobody tells me what to do brigade. If it wasn't so serious it would be very funny, and with very well off people like Elton John kicking off about the amount of money it is costing him at times it is simply hilarious. On a TV broadcast this morning it was stated that over 90% of those hospitalised at the moment are not vaccinated, that is the problem. Giving them hospital treatment is a given, the conversation should they be given that treatment is another conversation all together.Should people who are injured in a motor accident be refused treatment owing to them being on the road and at risk of an accident?The largest single group of unvaccinated people in hospital are children under 12 btw. are you sure about the under 12s mate seems abit oddYes this was the chart published last weekhttps://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1466439163973181440So you’ve made a statement that under 12s are the largest unvaccinated group in hospital, then produce a graph which doesn’t show that as evidence?
Yep see it now. I have probably got mixed up with the U-12 being the fastest rising group in hospital (though very low figures) with that one of the positive tests/infections. Anyway my bad, thats what you get for rushing.
Seriously high positive case numbers now. The 7 day average is now at over 48k per day. That's only been exceed for a fortnight back in the depths of the January wave.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2021, 04:31:35 pmSeriously high positive case numbers now. The 7 day average is now at over 48k per day. That's only been exceed for a fortnight back in the depths of the January wave. the numbers are quite high but we are doing more testing again think today was 1.1 million tests, also as were in December the numbers are probably not as high as many had forecast it will be interesting to see if the numbers go up at Xmas or not with the schools breaking up or with people mixing more with families, but at the minute hospitalisations are not rising much if any
Limited capacity perhaps ? Which won’t be a problem given current crowds.
Pompey put this out at the end of last month .Portsmouth Football Club would like to advise supporters on some of the actions that would – or might – be adopted for football if the government, later this winter, implements their ‘Plan B’ measures in England in the continued fight to counter the spread of Covid-19.The new Plan B regulations could come into effect at just seven days’ notice and would impact any games attracting an attendance of 10,000 or higher.In order to attend games, supporters aged 18 and above could be required to show an up-to-date NHS Covid pass proving they have received both vaccinations.It is not yet clear whether the checks would be mandatory for every supporter or spot checks on a mandatory minimum number of spectators would be required.The EFL and Premier League are working hard with the government to understand more about how the measures would impact on football.EFL clubs are conscious that these checks – whether mandatory or random – would certainly lead to increased queuing time at turnstiles.The club are already working through and planning a series of contingency measures to minimise disruption on matchdays, but supporters can also play their part by being personally ready for any potential introduction of Covid Plan B, especially given the measures would be introduced at just seven days’ notice.A digital Covid pass can be obtained through the NHS app or there is the option to request an NHS Covid Pass letter. Click here for more information on getting an NHS Covid pass.Please note that the card stamped when you received your vaccinations would not be accepted as proof.We recommend that supporters register now for the digital Covid pass and download it to the wallet on their phone. This would make it easily accessible without having to sign in to access the app on arrival at venues where the pass is required.At Fratton Park, this would save considerable time at our turnstiles. We would also advise that you carry a printed copy of the pass in case you suffer battery loss on your phone, the app fails or should there be an unexpected loss of connectivity at the stadium.If you have not received both vaccinations or do not have an NHS Covid pass, or are officially exempt from vaccination for medical reasons, then we are awaiting confirmation as to whether proof of a negative lateral flow test from 48 hours before kick-off would be accepted.Portsmouth Football Club will provide regular updates as and when we receive further information from the EFL and government.We will also make all fans aware of the precise measures needed to attend games at Fratton Park should Covid Plan B need to be implemented.To ensure a safe and enjoyable visit to Fratton Park for all, we ask that everyone continues to adhere to the Supporters’ Code of Conduct.”The ridiculous thing for me is you could have say 8000 at a league one or two club in a tightly packed crowd, but that’s ok. Once again. A very mixed message .
The bit that says if you exempt from vaccination you might be required to have a lfd test. Don't think so. Exemption means just that. The same rights as a vaccinated person.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on December 08, 2021, 12:09:06 pmThe bit that says if you exempt from vaccination you might be required to have a lfd test. Don't think so. Exemption means just that. The same rights as a vaccinated person. Grand. Stop at home then.
What's this "legally exempt from testing" thing then?