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Quote from: bpoolrover on October 12, 2021, 01:24:29 pmThere were many differing views on this forum and in the media at the start, there were very few calls to lockdown before March 16th in fact I think only river don was the only one, a lot of the others thought the economic cost of it would result in as bad a loss as the virus might, most followed just like the government did at the start what vallance and witty were saying and let's be fair they couldn't do much elseYou are correct bpool - there were many different views and some of us certainly said they could do things very differently. Like tell the truth.And you think they got the second and third lockdowns right - when they knew exactly how deadly it was? Really?They were prepared to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people to their mad herd immunity.
There were many differing views on this forum and in the media at the start, there were very few calls to lockdown before March 16th in fact I think only river don was the only one, a lot of the others thought the economic cost of it would result in as bad a loss as the virus might, most followed just like the government did at the start what vallance and witty were saying and let's be fair they couldn't do much else
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 23, 2021, 11:45:39 pmGood news and bad news in this assessment of the current cases by age group.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_7JAa-VQAQZmpU?format=jpg&name=mediumClearly there has been a sharp drop in cases in most age groups since the start of September. As such we should probably expect an equally sharp fall in daily deaths over the next fortnight, hopefully down to below 100 per day which is where they have been now for a month. That all ties in with the sharp drop in daily hospitalisations over the last week or two. That is all very welcome news.Concerning thing is that it looks like cases in schoolkids have rocketed again after the start of term. I heard the other day that 1 in 8 kids are currently off school with COVID. And that graph suggests that, as previously, those cases are now spreading out into a rise in cases among other age groups. So that would imply that hospital cases would likely start rising again around the end of the month, and deaths around mid-October. Question now is how long this increase in cases goes on for. If it carries on through October, and increases with University students going back to college, the hospital cases and deaths are likely to be rising sharply through November, just as we go into the flu season.Pretty much exactly what has happened.Daily deaths did drop sharply, from about 140 per day to under 110. But that fall ran out of steam last week and it looks like daily death numbers are rising again.Which is a concern, because over the past three weeks, case numbers have been consistently rising and are now back around 40,000 new positives per day. And hospital admissions which fell quickly at the end of last month are also starting to rise again. All of which means it looks baked in that the daily deaths are going to be back up around 140-150 per day, and new hospitalisations back up pushing 1000 per day by early November. Just as the flu season gets going.I get a feeling this is going to be another bloody rough winter for the NHS.
Good news and bad news in this assessment of the current cases by age group.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_7JAa-VQAQZmpU?format=jpg&name=mediumClearly there has been a sharp drop in cases in most age groups since the start of September. As such we should probably expect an equally sharp fall in daily deaths over the next fortnight, hopefully down to below 100 per day which is where they have been now for a month. That all ties in with the sharp drop in daily hospitalisations over the last week or two. That is all very welcome news.Concerning thing is that it looks like cases in schoolkids have rocketed again after the start of term. I heard the other day that 1 in 8 kids are currently off school with COVID. And that graph suggests that, as previously, those cases are now spreading out into a rise in cases among other age groups. So that would imply that hospital cases would likely start rising again around the end of the month, and deaths around mid-October. Question now is how long this increase in cases goes on for. If it carries on through October, and increases with University students going back to college, the hospital cases and deaths are likely to be rising sharply through November, just as we go into the flu season.
On the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 12, 2021, 04:59:06 pmOn the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.And we left schools open.And UniversitiesAnd workplaces.We were happy to let people carry on getting the bus and the train.Maybe you think it was people's fault for not figuring out for themselves what "essential" contact and travel was?
On the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2021, 05:42:08 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 12, 2021, 04:59:06 pmOn the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.And we left schools open.And UniversitiesAnd workplaces.We were happy to let people carry on getting the bus and the train.Maybe you think it was people's fault for not figuring out for themselves what "essential" contact and travel was?Schools, Uni's and Workplaces were essential. Going to the supermarket to panic buy bog rolls wasn't.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 12, 2021, 04:59:06 pmOn the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.And we left schools open.And UniversitiesAnd workplaces.We were happy to let people carry on getting the bus and the train.Maybe you think it was people's fault for not figuring out for themselves what "essential" contact and travel was?
Jonathon Ashworth, shadow health minister asked in the Commons on 11 March 2020, said that some scientists suggested we are not following the epidemiology and placing too much emphasis on behavioural science, therefore when should we move into the so-called delay stage and adopt more stringent social distancing rules. He asked the Health Secretary why UK thinking appears to differ from other European nations. So questions about lockdown were being asked.
BFYPOf course mistakes were going to be made. But that doesn't mean you give those who made them a free pass.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2021, 09:33:23 pmBFYPOf course mistakes were going to be made. But that doesn't mean you give those who made them a free pass. So just to confirm, we criticise them all from all parties then?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 12, 2021, 06:05:32 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2021, 05:42:08 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 12, 2021, 04:59:06 pmOn the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.And we left schools open.And UniversitiesAnd workplaces.We were happy to let people carry on getting the bus and the train.Maybe you think it was people's fault for not figuring out for themselves what "essential" contact and travel was?Schools, Uni's and Workplaces were essential. Going to the supermarket to panic buy bog rolls wasn't.And what about visiting your mum on Mother's Day? Was that essential?Only our joker in chief was sniggering his way through a question about that at the daily briefing 4 days later. There was a simple answer when he was asked whether he'd be visiting his Mum. "No, if course I won't. What a ridiculous question. We are in a national emergency and for this year I urge everyone to keep apart especially from elderly people."That's what a serious politician would have said.What did Johnson say?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-mum-coronavirus-mothers-day-self-isolate-tv-address-today-a9415496.html%3fampWe needed a PM who set an example. Instead we got Johnson. He's there grinning his way through his puerile response instead of leading the nation. And on that very day, about 100,000 people caught the virus with about 1000 of them not seeing the end of April.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2021, 05:42:08 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 12, 2021, 04:59:06 pmOn the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.And we left schools open.And UniversitiesAnd workplaces.We were happy to let people carry on getting the bus and the train.Maybe you think it was people's fault for not figuring out for themselves what "essential" contact and travel was?Schools, Uni's and Workplaces were essential. Going to the supermarket to panic buy bog rolls wasn't.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 12, 2021, 04:59:06 pmOn the 16th of March, the PM said “now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact and travel.” So, although it wasn't an official start to lockdown on that date it was a message that strongly advised caution.And we left schools open.And UniversitiesAnd workplaces.We were happy to let people carry on getting the bus and the train.Maybe you think it was people's fault for not figuring out for themselves what "essential" contact and travel was?
I wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions.
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 12, 2021, 05:59:46 pmI wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions. the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decision
Quote from: bpoolrover on October 12, 2021, 11:30:44 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 12, 2021, 05:59:46 pmI wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions. the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decisionAnd they couldn't ask them because ........................
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 12, 2021, 11:36:24 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on October 12, 2021, 11:30:44 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 12, 2021, 05:59:46 pmI wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions. the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decisionAnd they couldn't ask them because ........................ thought you were going to stop being a knob that lasted long
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 12, 2021, 09:34:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2021, 09:33:23 pmBFYPOf course mistakes were going to be made. But that doesn't mean you give those who made them a free pass. So just to confirm, we criticise them all from all parties then?How was the Welsh Assembly supposed to manage a lockdown in advance of England, when it didn't have the fiscal powers to pay for a furlough scheme?
In March 2020, Corbyn was still the leader of the opposition, probably explains your query BFYP. Starmer became leader in April.
Quote from: bpoolrover on October 13, 2021, 12:47:02 amQuote from: SydneyRover on October 12, 2021, 11:36:24 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on October 12, 2021, 11:30:44 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 12, 2021, 05:59:46 pmI wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions. the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decisionAnd they couldn't ask them because ........................ thought you were going to stop being a knob that lasted longI suppose this reply was because you didn't predict the most obvious of questions. You are a difficult person to understand bp, you live in an area which due to the policies of the government has delivered to you, a male the lowest life expectancy in the country and by their incompetence put your partner at serious risk of injury or death and yet you continue with your craven support. Do you ever think that you may have made a mistake giving them this blind support?