Must admit I will not be watching every game. Got Grand daughter visiting. I like other Sports. Both codes of Rugby and Speedway. They will come before International football. It goes without saying Rovers are my no 1 in Sport.
Can anyone recommend a forum dedicated to England or this year’s European Championship?
I really want to get excited, but I’m not feeling it yet.
I've got a tenner on England not to qualify at 14/1.
Irrespective of that I can't wait for it to start.
I've got a tenner on England not to qualify at 14/1.
Irrespective of that I can't wait for it to start.
Pretty much through if you win a match with 3rd places through
If this is a “ positive comments “ only thread,
I say Cmon England’s millionaire, beat them other millionaires and get a shaving deal on prime time…...
however if different opinions are allowed I say ….I hope the over paid sheisters get mullered and humiliated from the getgo….and end up in pantomime!
This is only my opinion and should not affect the outcome of any games being played…
If this is a “ positive comments “ only thread,
I say Cmon England’s millionaire, beat them other millionaires and get a shaving deal on prime time…...
however if different opinions are allowed I say ….I hope the over paid sheisters get mullered and humiliated from the getgo….and end up in pantomime!
This is only my opinion and should not affect the outcome of any games being played…
If this is a “ positive comments “ only thread,
I say Cmon England’s millionaire, beat them other millionaires and get a shaving deal on prime time…...
however if different opinions are allowed I say ….I hope the over paid sheisters get mullered and humiliated from the getgo….and end up in pantomime!
This is only my opinion and should not affect the outcome of any games being played…
Yet again, not once has it been said that this is a "positive comments only" thread.
Sterling and Rashford shouldn’t start. They have been run into the ground and are bang out of form.
Another worrying thing is that he will play three centre halves. He’s a guesser Southgate, terrible manager.
He seems a great guy though and should be shipped off into an office at the FA after this event.
Sterling and Rashford shouldn’t start. They have been run into the ground and are bang out of form.
Another worrying thing is that he will play three centre halves. He’s a guesser Southgate, terrible manager.
He seems a great guy though and should be shipped off into an office at the FA after this event.
Sterling and Rashford shouldn’t start. They have been run into the ground and are bang out of form.
Another worrying thing is that he will play three centre halves. He’s a guesser Southgate, terrible manager.
He seems a great guy though and should be shipped off into an office at the FA after this event.
Not sure how you’d say Sterling has been run into the ground - he was in and out of City’s team at the end of the season so he’s probably quite fresh. Certainly out of form but pace and width are important to this team so I’d still start him. Rashford apparently carrying an injury and I agree he wouldn’t play for me.
I wouldn’t have Pickford in goal either, too much of a liability
Sterling and Rashford shouldn’t start. They have been run into the ground and are bang out of form.
Another worrying thing is that he will play three centre halves. He’s a guesser Southgate, terrible manager.
He seems a great guy though and should be shipped off into an office at the FA after this event.
The three CB's thing would really make no sense at all. He hasn't played that system with England in ages, including both of the warm-up games for the tournament.
Agree on Sterling/Rashford. He's got to find a way to get Grealish, Mount and Foden in from the start IMO.
Sterling and Rashford shouldn’t start. They have been run into the ground and are bang out of form.
Another worrying thing is that he will play three centre halves. He’s a guesser Southgate, terrible manager.
He seems a great guy though and should be shipped off into an office at the FA after this event.
The three CB's thing would really make no sense at all. He hasn't played that system with England in ages, including both of the warm-up games for the tournament.
Agree on Sterling/Rashford. He's got to find a way to get Grealish, Mount and Foden in from the start IMO.
I think he must at least have a back three on his mind to take Coady who you rarely see in a back 4 at Wolves. I was fearful if Maguire isn't fit he'll go to a back 3 but I was very impressed with White against Romania. Maybe he can still play a back 4 if Maguire isn't fit.
I wouldn’t have Pickford in goal either, too much of a liability
Mings - who any sentient being recognised as a very suspect with his decision-making - has an interview in the Times today talking about the need for ‘gamesmanship’ at the back.
Total liability.
People don't half love telling you how much they don't care about things on here.
People don't half love telling you how much they don't care about things on here.
but CLH will be watching a proper football match tomorrow
https://www.bt.com/sport/football/national-league/fixtures-and-results/2020-2021/06-12-torquay-united-v-notts-county
hopefully both teams will have the sense to have a substitute goalie on the bench . Notts County have struck it lucky twice now when the oppostion goalie has had to go off injured -
yet Notts County themselves don't have a substitute goalie (relying on Doyle despite him being not very tall.
So now you know what CLH cares about rather than "plastic Internationals"
Chiellini reminds me of Rob Jones - colossus
Chiellini reminds me of Rob Jones - colossus
He’s an absolute monster. Brilliant on the ball as well.
Chiellini reminds me of Rob Jones - colossus
He’s an absolute monster. Brilliant on the ball as well.
People don't half love telling you how much they don't care about things on here.
but CLH will be watching a proper football match tomorrow
https://www.bt.com/sport/football/national-league/fixtures-and-results/2020-2021/06-12-torquay-united-v-notts-county
hopefully both teams will have the sense to have a substitute goalie on the bench . Notts County have struck it lucky twice now when the oppostion goalie has had to go off injured -
yet Notts County themselves don't have a substitute goalie (relying on Doyle despite him being not very tall.
So now you know what CLH cares about rather than "plastic Internationals"
Congratulations. So why post on a thread about them if you don't care when you have the option not to read about something you aren't interested in?
People don't half love telling you how much they don't care about things on here.
but CLH will be watching a proper football match tomorrow
https://www.bt.com/sport/football/national-league/fixtures-and-results/2020-2021/06-12-torquay-united-v-notts-county
hopefully both teams will have the sense to have a substitute goalie on the bench . Notts County have struck it lucky twice now when the oppostion goalie has had to go off injured -
yet Notts County themselves don't have a substitute goalie (relying on Doyle despite him being not very tall.
So now you know what CLH cares about rather than "plastic Internationals"
Congratulations. So why post on a thread about them if you don't care when you have the option not to read about something you aren't interested in?
Probably because it’s all about discussions and viewpoints whether for or against…hence the word forum!
You didn’t post an argument to the statement, or even ask for clarification…it didn’t fit so it didn’t belong….well done kiddo!
do you just eat chicken in your household ?
Southgate has lost the plot, we have Chillwell and Shaw, proper LB’s, Sancho not even on the bench, picks Sterling over Grealish, we have an abundance off attacking talent and and he bottles his selection
Southgate has lost the plot, we have Chillwell and Shaw, proper LB’s, Sancho not even on the bench, picks Sterling over Grealish, we have an abundance off attacking talent and and he bottles his selection
The team I’d play:
Pickford
Walker Stones White Shaw (or Chilwell, nothing between them)
Rice Bellingham Mount
Grealish Kane Sterling
Sterling ahead of Foden probably the most controversial and most likely unpopular call but his pace and positioning stretches teams and we know he partners well with Kane. If he isn’t up to it then there are plenty of replacements there. You could also make a case for Foden wide right, Mount a bit deeper and Bellingham missing out.
That said I expect Southgate to pick
Pickford
James Walker Stones Mings Chilwell
Rice Phillips
Mount Kane Rashford
I’d rather play a traffic cone than Mings. Similar football ability and less likely to forearm smash an opponent.
Got the result, theres more to come attacking wise, Phillips MoM for me
Got the result, theres more to come attacking wise, Phillips MoM for me
Agreed, almost got egg on my face on 55 minutes for thinking we needed an attacking change right before the goal. All questions about his tactics aside, the faith Southgate shows in his players counts for something.
Phillips and the midfield 3 overall were comfortable and it was noticeable how deep Modric had to drop to get the ball as a result. Good game management from 70 minutes onwards.
Got the result, theres more to come attacking wise, Phillips MoM for me
Agreed, almost got egg on my face on 55 minutes for thinking we needed an attacking change right before the goal. All questions about his tactics aside, the faith Southgate shows in his players counts for something.
Phillips and the midfield 3 overall were comfortable and it was noticeable how deep Modric had to drop to get the ball as a result. Good game management from 70 minutes onwards.
Without Modric, Croatia are clueless
Got the result, theres more to come attacking wise, Phillips MoM for me
Agreed, almost got egg on my face on 55 minutes for thinking we needed an attacking change right before the goal. All questions about his tactics aside, the faith Southgate shows in his players counts for something.
Phillips and the midfield 3 overall were comfortable and it was noticeable how deep Modric had to drop to get the ball as a result. Good game management from 70 minutes onwards.
Without Modric, Croatia are clueless
Eh???
Modric played
A lot of people should be eating humble pie tonight
Sorry but I just don't ever get excited watching England. Especially at Wembley.
Southgate has lost the plot, we have Chillwell and Shaw, proper LB’s, Sancho not even on the bench, picks Sterling over Grealish, we have an abundance off attacking talent and and he bottles his selection
Southgate has lost the plot, we have Chillwell and Shaw, proper LB’s, Sancho not even on the bench, picks Sterling over Grealish, we have an abundance off attacking talent and and he bottles his selection
This aged well.
Thousands of football fans think they know better than the qualified, experienced England manager. I suppose it will never change, especially when it comes to the national side.
Southgate got it all right today, and no surprise to me. Sterling needed that faith from his manager and paid it back, he has a great recent scoring record for England.
Phillips was immense, MOM easily. What a brilliant assist by him and he bossed one of the best midfields in the tournament.
Trippier's experience is vital and Mings did a solid job too.
To win that game without Henderson or Maguire, or Kane playing well, is a great bonus. We weren't amazing but got the job done and have a platform to go out and hopefully attack more against Scotland and Czech Rep.
Having Rashford, Bellingham, Grealish and usually Sancho to bring on from the bench is massive too and unlike any England squad I can remember in terms of attacking depth.
Not hindsight,
But it’s a bit silly slagging off the manager and his selection before the game kicks off
Just setting yourself up to look daft
Not having watched England for a long time, I was reasonably impressed. But I'm old enough to know you don't judge any side in any tournament by the opening result.
The concern I'd have was how relatively comfortably Croatia controlled possession between the opening 20 minutes and the goal. They are a side fading fast and they don't have the quality to really hurt sides anymore. But England would do well to cede possession for that length of time to a France or a Belgium and not find themselves chasing the game.
Question is whether a very young group of midfielders can mature quickly as a side. I'd think it's unlikely but not out of the question that they can do so and be serious contenders.
I'll be surprised if Croatia make it past R2.
Meanwhile. Denzel Dumfries is a fright name. Bet he's glad his family name doesn't come from the other side of the Solway Firth, otherwise he would be Denzel Cockermouth.
Southgate has lost the plot, we have Chillwell and Shaw, proper LB’s, Sancho not even on the bench, picks Sterling over Grealish, we have an abundance off attacking talent and and he bottles his selection
This aged well.
Thousands of football fans think they know better than the qualified, experienced England manager. I suppose it will never change, especially when it comes to the national side.
Southgate got it all right today, and no surprise to me. Sterling needed that faith from his manager and paid it back, he has a great recent scoring record for England.
Phillips was immense, MOM easily. What a brilliant assist by him and he bossed one of the best midfields in the tournament.
Trippier's experience is vital and Mings did a solid job too.
To win that game without Henderson or Maguire, or Kane playing well, is a great bonus. We weren't amazing but got the job done and have a platform to go out and hopefully attack more against Scotland and Czech Rep.
Having Rashford, Bellingham, Grealish and usually Sancho to bring on from the bench is massive too and unlike any England squad I can remember in terms of attacking depth.
Captain Hindsight?
Southgate has lost the plot, we have Chillwell and Shaw, proper LB’s, Sancho not even on the bench, picks Sterling over Grealish, we have an abundance off attacking talent and and he bottles his selection
This aged well.
Thousands of football fans think they know better than the qualified, experienced England manager. I suppose it will never change, especially when it comes to the national side.
Southgate got it all right today, and no surprise to me. Sterling needed that faith from his manager and paid it back, he has a great recent scoring record for England.
Phillips was immense, MOM easily. What a brilliant assist by him and he bossed one of the best midfields in the tournament.
Trippier's experience is vital and Mings did a solid job too.
To win that game without Henderson or Maguire, or Kane playing well, is a great bonus. We weren't amazing but got the job done and have a platform to go out and hopefully attack more against Scotland and Czech Rep.
Having Rashford, Bellingham, Grealish and usually Sancho to bring on from the bench is massive too and unlike any England squad I can remember in terms of attacking depth.
Captain Hindsight?
Not even slightly. I've defended Southgate a lot and the only big thing I've ever really disagreed with him doing was 5 at the back with two holding mids which thankfully he's dropped. He's a good manager for the national side and has proven he knows what he's doing. He's easily our best manager since Sven, if not since Robson.
Before the game I said (on Twitter, rather than here) that whilst I wouldn't have thought to play Trippier at LB, I saw no issue with the line-up and knew it was done to combat the Croatian midfield and Modric, and that's exactly what we did so well.
I expect a more conventional team against Scotland, with Shaw or Chilwell at LB and maybe another attack-minded midfielder because Scotland's best two players by a mile are defenders.
I just think it's too easy to slag the manager's decisions off and think you know better, when Southgate works with them on the training ground, knows them all and studies their games throughout the season. And I don't mean "you" as in Filo, I mean all the football supporters who have that attitude and have done for years and years.
The fact that Sancho couldn't even get on the bench today will frighten a lot of teams IMO.
We should be looking to pin them back with possession they’ve no pace so if we keep them deep they shouldn’t offer much. They’ll be up for it though.
Think Grealish would be a decent pick if we’re going to have lots of the ball. He’ll draw a lot of fouls and probably penalties if the Scots are too enthusiastic
I swear I cannot out into words how much I despise the Spanish form of football.
85% possession. 3 shots on target. Technically refined but utterly sterile.
I'd be tempted to bring in a basketball-type possession law. But f**k it, let's make it really bite. If you have possession of the ball for more than 2 minutes without shooting, your ball-holding midfielder has a toe amputated.
Scotland had their chances all right, 19 shots, but only 4 on target. Whereas the Czechs had 10 shots but had 7 on target.
I’m afraid Marshall had two failings, for the first goal a failure to command his 6 yard box and for the second goal, go for a walkabout!
Having said that, he made one or two really good saves.
If the Scots run out of steam after 70 mins, like they did against the Czechs, then England could add to their goals for column.
I swear I cannot out into words how much I despise the Spanish form of football.
85% possession. 3 shots on target. Technically refined but utterly sterile.
I'd be tempted to bring in a basketball-type possession law. But f**k it, let's make it really bite. If you have possession of the ball for more than 2 minutes without shooting, your ball-holding midfielder has a toe amputated.
I swear I cannot out into words how much I despise the Spanish form of football.
85% possession. 3 shots on target. Technically refined but utterly sterile.
I'd be tempted to bring in a basketball-type possession law. But f**k it, let's make it really bite. If you have possession of the ball for more than 2 minutes without shooting, your ball-holding midfielder has a toe amputated.
I mean, Marquis wasn't exactly an innocent player himself in general. More players than not are "cheats" at times now. Ramsgate is a good keeper and to be fair, he's only going to be training and sitting on the bench anyway.
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
But it was turgid, sterile, boring fare Gaz.
OK, they did create a few chances, but nothing like the number their possession should have produced.
And to be fair to Sweden, they missed the best chance of the second half so Spain could easily have lost that game 0-1.
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
But it was turgid, sterile, boring fare Gaz.
OK, they did create a few chances, but nothing like the number their possession should have produced.
And to be fair to Sweden, they missed the best chance of the second half so Spain could easily have lost that game 0-1.
Possession is not only a means to creating goal scoring opportunities, controlling the game like they do also potentially limits the number of opportunities the opposition have to create chances. Sweden had a couple of good opportunities I agree, the Spanish defence is poor, the possession is as much about protecting them as it is creating chances I think.
I mean, Marquis wasn't exactly an innocent player himself in general. More players than not are "cheats" at times now. Ramsdale is a good keeper and to be fair, he's only going to be training and sitting on the bench anyway.
Even if the ref got duped, WTF was the linesman doing?The ref was nearer than the linesman if I remember rightly. We were at the other end and it didn’t even look like a foul from there. The ref was as bad as our performance that day. The only good thing that day was their social club with real ale on tap.
Even if the ref got duped, WTF was the linesman doing?The ref was nearer than the linesman if I remember rightly. We were at the other end and it didn’t even look like a foul from there. The ref was as bad as our performance that day. The only good thing that day was their social club with real ale on tap.
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
But it was turgid, sterile, boring fare Gaz.
OK, they did create a few chances, but nothing like the number their possession should have produced.
And to be fair to Sweden, they missed the best chance of the second half so Spain could easily have lost that game 0-1.
Possession is not only a means to creating goal scoring opportunities, controlling the game like they do also potentially limits the number of opportunities the opposition have to create chances. Sweden had a couple of good opportunities I agree, the Spanish defence is poor, the possession is as much about protecting them as it is creating chances I think.
The problem is that it destroys the concept of football as a visceral experience. It throttles the ebb and flow from the game, which becomes as sterile as a game of chess. The attraction is cerebral, not physical. Admiring the organisation and discipline, rather then the spontaneous and instinctive. Personally, that is not what I want from football.
Even if the ref got duped, WTF was the linesman doing?The ref was nearer than the linesman if I remember rightly. We were at the other end and it didn’t even look like a foul from there. The ref was as bad as our performance that day. The only good thing that day was their social club with real ale on tap.
That’s how I remember it - the ref had a decent view and wasn’t far away.
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
But it was turgid, sterile, boring fare Gaz.
OK, they did create a few chances, but nothing like the number their possession should have produced.
And to be fair to Sweden, they missed the best chance of the second half so Spain could easily have lost that game 0-1.
Possession is not only a means to creating goal scoring opportunities, controlling the game like they do also potentially limits the number of opportunities the opposition have to create chances. Sweden had a couple of good opportunities I agree, the Spanish defence is poor, the possession is as much about protecting them as it is creating chances I think.
The problem is that it destroys the concept of football as a visceral experience. It throttles the ebb and flow from the game, which becomes as sterile as a game of chess. The attraction is cerebral, not physical. Admiring the organisation and discipline, rather then the spontaneous and instinctive. Personally, that is not what I want from football.
I tend to agree with that.
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
But it was turgid, sterile, boring fare Gaz.
OK, they did create a few chances, but nothing like the number their possession should have produced.
And to be fair to Sweden, they missed the best chance of the second half so Spain could easily have lost that game 0-1.
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
But it was turgid, sterile, boring fare Gaz.
OK, they did create a few chances, but nothing like the number their possession should have produced.
And to be fair to Sweden, they missed the best chance of the second half so Spain could easily have lost that game 0-1.
But who was the "turgid, sterile, boring" team?.........Spain who tried to play football, or Sweden who just put 10 men behind the ball and hoped for a bit of luck?
Changing the subject. Why do footballers always have to answer a question with.... Yeh no. It almost as annoying as... So
The points about a slow tempo possession game not being exciting to watch are valid, the ones about Spain not creating much are nonsense. On another day they score two or three, they missed some great chances and the Swedish keeper made a few decent saves.
They are a team that’s had a horrific lead up to the tournament with the Covid issues so can only improve. They looked a very good team last night with plenty of improvement to come. Judging badly them because they failed to score in one game is nonsense.
But it was turgid, sterile, boring fare Gaz.
OK, they did create a few chances, but nothing like the number their possession should have produced.
And to be fair to Sweden, they missed the best chance of the second half so Spain could easily have lost that game 0-1.
But who was the "turgid, sterile, boring" team?.........Spain who tried to play football, or Sweden who just put 10 men behind the ball and hoped for a bit of luck?
Correct decisions tonight though RD.
Both disallowed French goals were offside on the through ball.
Strange scenario for us,
It’s a big advantage if we finish 2nd rather than top the group
Strange scenario for us,
It’s a big advantage if we finish 2nd rather than top the group
I agree, I noticed that a few days ago. Beat the Scots and throw it against the Czechs ?
Strange scenario for us,
It’s a big advantage if we finish 2nd rather than top the group
Strange scenario for us,
It’s a big advantage if we finish 2nd rather than top the group
Will we still be playing at Wembley if we finish second though?
Strange scenario for us,
It’s a big advantage if we finish 2nd rather than top the group
Will we still be playing at Wembley if we finish second though?
No Copenhagen
Strange scenario for us,
It’s a big advantage if we finish 2nd rather than top the group
Will we still be playing at Wembley if we finish second though?
No Copenhagen
Wonderful
Going to watch Finland v Russia in a bit. On my own right now, So might as well. Been to the dentist. Had 2 fillings. Mouth is so numb, I cannot feel a thing.The football needs to be exciting.Thought you were going to have some wisdom teeth put in. ;) ;)
Going to watch Finland v Russia in a bit. On my own right now, So might as well. Been to the dentist. Had 2 fillings. Mouth is so numb, I cannot feel a thing.The football needs to be exciting.
Did Dion Dublin ever play football? I'm assuming not if he thinks that wasn't a penalty to Czechia.
Pace? Don't talk to me about pace.
Too defensive by half, but it's not really a surprise.
I was willing Scotland to nick it at the end.
Scotland get a draw in their cup final.
Pace? Don't talk to me about pace.
Too defensive by half, but it's not really a surprise.
I was willing Scotland to nick it at the end.
Why would you do that?
Pace? Don't talk to me about pace.
Too defensive by half, but it's not really a surprise.
I was willing Scotland to nick it at the end.
Why would you do that?
It’s called pissed off punishment syndrome!
It’s when a persons whole belief system is re-orientated from plus to minus…..happens consistently throughout sports apparently….
Pace? Don't talk to me about pace.
Too defensive by half, but it's not really a surprise.
I was willing Scotland to nick it at the end.
Why would you do that?
It’s called pissed off punishment syndrome!
It’s when a persons whole belief system is re-orientated from plus to minus…..happens consistently throughout sports apparently….
I was asking red wine actually so are you speaking for him or yourself.
Nevertheless, I don’t understand why you would want your own team to lose, whether it be England, Rovers or some Sunday team you may have once played for.
Pace? Don't talk to me about pace.
Too defensive by half, but it's not really a surprise.
I was willing Scotland to nick it at the end.
Why would you do that?
It wasn’t great.
In the context of England vs Scotland, a draw is certainly a better result for Scotland than it is England.
In the context of the tournament a draw is a better result for England than it is Scotland.
As a game it will please two groups of people - Scotland fans, and the not insignificant number of England fans that like nothing more than doing their own team down.
The rest of us can hopefully move on.
Poor last night. No penetration or movement, Scotland were up for it and harried and we didn't seem bothered about breaking them down. Last 25 minutes I think we settled for the draw. I appreciate we don't want to peak to early and go hell for leather at this stage but it would surely be better to get the win last night and go to the Czech game already through so we can rest a few legs.
Poor last night. No penetration or movement, Scotland were up for it and harried and we didn't seem bothered about breaking them down. Last 25 minutes I think we settled for the draw. I appreciate we don't want to peak to early and go hell for leather at this stage but it would surely be better to get the win last night and go to the Czech game already through so we can rest a few legs.
sounds like Janso "in bed with his missus"
Just watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.
Depends what your ambition is.Just watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.
Also sat thinking a draw Tuesday to finish second is a great result to avoid either of these 2
Just watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.
Just watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.
Alan.
My point is, after every misfire in every tournament throughout my life, the line has been "if only the manager was better". When in reality, the core problem has been that our players are nowhere near as good as we hype them up to be.
And there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?
Alan.
My point is, after every misfire in every tournament throughout my life, the line has been "if only the manager was better". When in reality, the core problem has been that our players are nowhere near as good as we hype them up to be.
These are very good players though. Kane has just won another golden boot and registered the most assists in the Prem, he's world class. Sterling has been excellent (by and large) for a wonderful Man City team, as has John Stones. Mason Mount is a key creative piece for the current Champions League holders. Jadon Sancho is tearing the Bundesliga apart. Jordan Henderson is captain of the best Liverpool side for 30+ years.
I like Southgate but you can't say we don't have a top squad. Many neutrals have said ours is up there with the very best alongside France and Italy. Maybe what you're saying was true when Bobby Robson or Fabio Capello was in charge but it is clear Southgate is not a world class manager. I think he suits this England team and I hope he proves the doubters wrong as this tournament goes on but your point doesn't allow for the nuance of the present day and Alan is right, the previous incarnations of England over many decades is irrelevant to Euro 2020 and this England team.
If they are that good how come the rest of top teams in UK and Europe arren't in a bidding war for them? If Kane goes to Citeh he will score 30+ goals a season with the chances they create but could he do it elsewhere? For me they are top class English players but that doesn't say a great deal compared to world talent JMHOAnd there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?
Kane plays for Tottenham though, if anything it’s him that makes other Tottenham players look better.
Players like foden, grealish, Kane, mount, are up with the top top players in the premiership.
If they are that good how come the rest of top teams in UK and Europe arren't in a bidding war for them? If Kane goes to Citeh he will score 30+ goals a season with the chances they create but could he do it elsewhere? For me they are top class English players but that doesn't say a great deal compared to world talent JMHOAnd there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?
Kane plays for Tottenham though, if anything it’s him that makes other Tottenham players look better.
Players like foden, grealish, Kane, mount, are up with the top top players in the premiership.
If they are that good how come the rest of top teams in UK and Europe arren't in a bidding war for them? If Kane goes to Citeh he will score 30+ goals a season with the chances they create but could he do it elsewhere? For me they are top class English players but that doesn't say a great deal compared to world talent JMHOAnd there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?
Kane plays for Tottenham though, if anything it’s him that makes other Tottenham players look better.
Players like foden, grealish, Kane, mount, are up with the top top players in the premiership.
How many English players actually played in those "English" teamsIf they are that good how come the rest of top teams in UK and Europe arren't in a bidding war for them? If Kane goes to Citeh he will score 30+ goals a season with the chances they create but could he do it elsewhere? For me they are top class English players but that doesn't say a great deal compared to world talent JMHOAnd there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?
Kane plays for Tottenham though, if anything it’s him that makes other Tottenham players look better.
Players like foden, grealish, Kane, mount, are up with the top top players in the premiership.
Why doesn't it? Two of the last three Champions League Finals have been between all English teams.
It isn't the 90s anymore. Italian or Spanish or German football and footballers are not inherently better than English players. Teams and players from this country have proven they are up there with the best for a long time. Be that the last decade, the 2000s or way back to the late 70s and early 80s.
Harry Kane would score an awful lot of goals for City, or Bayern or Real Madrid or Juventus. It's foolish to think otherwise.
How many English players actually played in those "English" teamsIf they are that good how come the rest of top teams in UK and Europe arren't in a bidding war for them? If Kane goes to Citeh he will score 30+ goals a season with the chances they create but could he do it elsewhere? For me they are top class English players but that doesn't say a great deal compared to world talent JMHOAnd there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?
Kane plays for Tottenham though, if anything it’s him that makes other Tottenham players look better.
Players like foden, grealish, Kane, mount, are up with the top top players in the premiership.
Why doesn't it? Two of the last three Champions League Finals have been between all English teams.
It isn't the 90s anymore. Italian or Spanish or German football and footballers are not inherently better than English players. Teams and players from this country have proven they are up there with the best for a long time. Be that the last decade, the 2000s or way back to the late 70s and early 80s.
Harry Kane would score an awful lot of goals for City, or Bayern or Real Madrid or Juventus. It's foolish to think otherwise.
Lets put it another way how many English players would be picked in a world team or even a 2nd or 3rd choice world team?
Regarding top teams where are teams in the Premier League looking ti buy their new recruits from the same foreign teams who you are now saying aren't as good, lets face it we are now looking at Portuguese players to buy rather than home grown
I agree Kane would score a lot if goals given the players that top teams have but I don't see the likes of PSG Real Madrid Barcelona Juventus etc queueing up to buy tbe "top" English players
And as for using Messi as an example by a previous poster who in the world could afford to buy him and who would be prepared to pay the wages when he was at his peak?
Sick of the England team . f**king pricks the lot of em .
Bunch of individuals playing for themselves .
Saw a video of grealish and Henderson effectively bullying foden. Arseholes like that are the reason England ALWAYS fail, rifts in the camp and there always has been .
Until a decent manager can sort that, and get them playing as a team and for each other, then England will always fail .
Excellent individual players .
But a f**king dog shit team .
Watching England is like watching rovers last season . Bunch of individuals who don't care .
Go on then, elaborate clever Kitson .Sick of the England team . f**king pricks the lot of em .
Bunch of individuals playing for themselves .
Saw a video of grealish and Henderson effectively bullying foden. Arseholes like that are the reason England ALWAYS fail, rifts in the camp and there always has been .
Until a decent manager can sort that, and get them playing as a team and for each other, then England will always fail .
Excellent individual players .
But a f**king dog shit team .
Watching England is like watching rovers last season . Bunch of individuals who don't care .
There’s a lot of content to that post, I’m not sure one word of it is actually true though.
I look at the players we have available for England and think what would Terry Venables have done with all that talent....
Sick of the England team . f**king pricks the lot of em .
Bunch of individuals playing for themselves .
Saw a video of grealish and Henderson effectively bullying foden. Arseholes like that are the reason England ALWAYS fail, rifts in the camp and there always has been .
Until a decent manager can sort that, and get them playing as a team and for each other, then England will always fail .
Excellent individual players .
But a f**king dog shit team .
Watching England is like watching rovers last season . Bunch of individuals who don't care .
When we say how many English players have played in the teams that recently progressed to Champions League finals, off the top of my head I’m thinking:So Liverpool twice, Spurs, Citeh and Chelsea 55 players + subs and we come up with 13 , 4 of which are full backs out of those 13 I ask again how many would the better teams in Europe would be interested in signing?
Trippier
Walker
Alexander Arnold
James
Chilwell
Stones
Dier (can’t get in the squad any more)
Winks
Henderson
Mount
Foden
Sterling
Kane
All of the above are or were regulars with their clubs when they had Champions League successes. Perhaps time we let go of the notion that English players aren’t getting a look in for the big clubs or in the big competitions.
I look at the players we have available for England and think what would Terry Venables have done with all that talent....
Given Venables regularly ignored talents like Ian Wright and Matt Le Tissier in favour of more prosaic players there's a strong argument to say he wouldn't have selected half of them
When we say how many English players have played in the teams that recently progressed to Champions League finals, off the top of my head I’m thinking:So Liverpool twice, Spurs, Citeh and Chelsea 55 players + subs and we come up with 13 , 4 of which are full backs out of those 13 I ask again how many would the better teams in Europe would be interested in signing?
Trippier
Walker
Alexander Arnold
James
Chilwell
Stones
Dier (can’t get in the squad any more)
Winks
Henderson
Mount
Foden
Sterling
Kane
All of the above are or were regulars with their clubs when they had Champions League successes. Perhaps time we let go of the notion that English players aren’t getting a look in for the big clubs or in the big competitions.
Just watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.
Same re France v Germany, haven't seen such pacy counter attack since Nathan Tyson assisted Kyle Bennett when we broke form a corner against a team I can't remember!
It's a balancing act re our midfield. Lots of options, pressure on Southgate to get it right.
Mason Mount and Ben Chilwell tested positive for COVID and out of our game tomorrow as well as Billy Gilmour for Scotland.
Mason Mount and Ben Chilwell tested positive for COVID and out of our game tomorrow as well as Billy Gilmour for Scotland.
They haven’t tested positive, they are isolating after giving Gilmour a hug after the game
Mason Mount and Ben Chilwell tested positive for COVID and out of our game tomorrow as well as Billy Gilmour for Scotland.
They haven’t tested positive, they are isolating after giving Gilmour a hug after the game
Sedwards.
My point was that the players we are talking about have weeks and months and years to be honed into specific roles at their clubs, where they know intimately both their own role and the overall team style.
Then they are asked to squeeze into an unfamiliar formation or playing style, with unfamiliar teammates.
I'm not doubting the players' ability to be as good as anyone in the world when they are moulded into a team over time. I'm questioning their ability to adapt when in unfamiliar circumstances.
Ask yourself. When was the last time you saw England play a tournament and consistently look as much as the sum of its parts?
I'm genuinely struggling to think. 1996 perhaps? 1982?
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.
Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.
Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
We had plenty of players with ability back in the 70’s but they were classed as Mavericks who lived upto their playboy images and probably never realised their potential. Culture and lifestyle play a massive part too.
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.
Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
We had plenty of players with ability back in the 70’s but they were classed as Mavericks who lived upto their playboy images and probably never realised their potential. Culture and lifestyle play a massive part too.
Rodney Marsh and Stan Bowles, maybe?
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.
Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
We had plenty of players with ability back in the 70’s but they were classed as Mavericks who lived upto their playboy images and probably never realised their potential. Culture and lifestyle play a massive part too.
Rodney Marsh and Stan Bowles, maybe?
How? I'm baffled and can't find an explanation
1990 we did.agree.
How? I'm baffled and can't find an explanation
Because 4 of the 3rd placed teams qualify, and there’s already 2 leagues where the 3rd place have finished on 3 points
We really only had one performance in 1990 where an excellent group of players really gelled and that was the semi against West Germany.1990 we did.agree.
We really only had one performance in 1990 where an excellent group of players really gelled and that was the semi against West Germany.1990 we did.agree.
We were awful vs Ireland. Did reasonably well vs Holland. Laboured against Egypt and a not particularly strong Belgium, then very nearly ballsed it up vs Cameroon. With that run of matches and a squad including Shilton, Walker, Pearce, Gascoigne, Barnes, Waddle, Lineker and Beardsley, a run to the semis was no more than par and we made very hard work of it.
1982 stands out for me as the only time we really gelled as a side and but for the injuries to Keegan and Brooking, I think we could well have won the cup that year.
How? I'm baffled and can't find an explanation
Because 4 of the 3rd placed teams qualify, and there’s already 2 leagues where the 3rd place have finished on 3 points
f**kin shite rule.
Pissing about with the competition to make sure the big names are in the hat again.
This is the European super league f**kfest at international level.
Takes the romance, the nail biting finish and drama out of game.
w**kers!!
It's all mentality.
England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 .
The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter .
If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying.
I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age .
They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England.
They are very weak mentally .
It depends on the circumstances, and how the person feels .It's all mentality.
England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 .
The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter .
If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying.
I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age .
They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England.
They are very weak mentally .
As I said, if you think that’s bullying then there’s thousands of cases at football clubs on a daily basis.
And millions of workplaces across the country will also have the same banter.
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.
Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
I agree it's a nonsense. Reminder that Portugal only won last time because of this rule - they finished 3rd in their group. I think they only won 1 game in 90 minutes the whole tournament. Makes a mockery of the whole thing imo.How? I'm baffled and can't find an explanation
Because 4 of the 3rd placed teams qualify, and there’s already 2 leagues where the 3rd place have finished on 3 points
f**kin shite rule.
Pissing about with the competition to make sure the big names are in the hat again.
This is the European super league f**kfest at international level.
Takes the romance, the nail biting finish and drama out of game.
w**kers!!
It depends on the circumstances, and how the person feels .It's all mentality.
England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 .
The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter .
If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying.
I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age .
They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England.
They are very weak mentally .
As I said, if you think that’s bullying then there’s thousands of cases at football clubs on a daily basis.
And millions of workplaces across the country will also have the same banter.
Bullying lasts a long time .
It needs cracking down on.
Grealish is obviously mentally weak, and resentful of fodens achievements at a young age .
Foden probably doesn't like grealish and Henderson now .
Hardly a great team spirit there
I will say this though, if that's your attitude, then your part of the problem .
A bit of piss taking at work is not bullying, thats tame compared to some of the piss taking in my working life, by and with lifelong friends
We really only had one performance in 1990 where an excellent group of players really gelled and that was the semi against West Germany.1990 we did.agree.
We were awful vs Ireland. Did reasonably well vs Holland. Laboured against Egypt and a not particularly strong Belgium, then very nearly ballsed it up vs Cameroon. With that run of matches and a squad including Shilton, Walker, Pearce, Gascoigne, Barnes, Waddle, Lineker and Beardsley, a run to the semis was no more than par and we made very hard work of it.
1982 stands out for me as the only time we really gelled as a side and but for the injuries to Keegan and Brooking, I think we could well have won the cup that year.
Was talking about the New Order song.
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.
Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
Oh how quickly we forget. In no particular order:-
Bobby Moore
Peter Beardsley
Frank Lampard
Steven Gerrard
Paul Scholes
Peter Barnes
Chris Waddle
Gary Linekar
Colin Bell
Jimmy Greaves
David Beckham
Michael Owen
Alan Shearer
Trevor Brooking
Kevin Keegan
Ian Wright
Marcus Rashford
Mick Channon
Steve Coppell
Ashley Cole
A bit of piss taking at work is not bullying, thats tame compared to some of the piss taking in my working life, by and with lifelong friends
It depends on the circumstances, and how the person feels .It's all mentality.
England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 .
The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter .
If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying.
I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age .
They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England.
They are very weak mentally .
As I said, if you think that’s bullying then there’s thousands of cases at football clubs on a daily basis.
And millions of workplaces across the country will also have the same banter.
Bullying lasts a long time .
It needs cracking down on.
Grealish is obviously mentally weak, and resentful of fodens achievements at a young age .
Foden probably doesn't like grealish and Henderson now .
Hardly a great team spirit there
I will say this though, if that's your attitude, then your part of the problem .
Lots of absolute made up nonsense in there,
Foden probably hates grealish
Grealish is envious of foden
It was a joke about what suit they wore for the champions league final, to suggest foden will be upset about that is laughable
It depends on the circumstances, and how the person feels .It's all mentality.
England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 .
The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter .
If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying.
I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age .
They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England.
They are very weak mentally .
As I said, if you think that’s bullying then there’s thousands of cases at football clubs on a daily basis.
And millions of workplaces across the country will also have the same banter.
Bullying lasts a long time .
It needs cracking down on.
Grealish is obviously mentally weak, and resentful of fodens achievements at a young age .
Foden probably doesn't like grealish and Henderson now .
Hardly a great team spirit there
I will say this though, if that's your attitude, then your part of the problem .
Lots of absolute made up nonsense in there,
Foden probably hates grealish
Grealish is envious of foden
It was a joke about what suit they wore for the champions league final, to suggest foden will be upset about that is laughable
To dismiss mental health like that and issues aurrounding potential bullying, suggests to me you need to give your head a wobble .
Luckily dinosaurs like you are getting few and far between .
I had a dream that England won 5-1 tonight. Mist be the cider.
Another swashbuckling selection from Gareth Southsafe. Hope it clicks and we put on a show but again I really don’t think the team needs Rice and Phillips.
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.
Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.
I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
Oh how quickly we forget. In no particular order:-
Bobby Moore
Peter Beardsley
Frank Lampard
Steven Gerrard
Paul Scholes
Peter Barnes
Chris Waddle
Gary Linekar
Colin Bell
Jimmy Greaves
David Beckham
Michael Owen
Alan Shearer
Trevor Brooking
Kevin Keegan
Ian Wright
Marcus Rashford
Mick Channon
Steve Coppell
The commentator at the England game has no idea what some of the rules are.
A pass by Grealish hit the ref and Lee Dixon had to explain what happens next then the keeper parries a shot, Sterling is offside and so doesn’t go for the rebound and the commentator says no one is paying attention.
No chance of beating any of the big hitters playing like that, another borefest!
No chance of beating any of the big hitters playing like that, another borefest!
Disagree. We will get more space against the bigger teams. We've played teams doing to England what Rochdale etc do to rovers. Bigger teams won't do that and we will be good on the counter.
It's ironic though we were bigged up as an attacking force yet it's the defence that's been good.
I’m undecided if England managed that very boring pedestrian second half or were just not tested by a team that had more possession…
If they get past the next round I will be quite shocked, France, Germany or Portugal will be more inclined to be the dominant team …. And I doubt we have the team to win…some individuals are clearly talented, but there is definitely something missing
No chance of beating any of the big hitters playing like that, another borefest!
Disagree. We will get more space against the bigger teams. We've played teams doing to England what Rochdale etc do to rovers. Bigger teams won't do that and we will be good on the counter.
It's ironic though we were bigged up as an attacking force yet it's the defence that's been good.
The defence hasn’t been troubled. World of difference keeping Che Adams at bay to Ronaldo or Immobile.
Neville is deluded if he thinks England will
Win the comp by being professional
And keeping clean sheets . There won’t be an England clean sheet next week at Wembley
Kane was very good in first halfAnd much better defenders...
And as has been mentioned there’ll be more space at his end of the park next week
Grealish will start on Tuesday because Mount is out. Foden will come back in for Saka in all likelihood.
We'll do well to go through the next round, but it isn't impossible. I think we can beat Portugal and Germany but not really basing that on the performances so far.
Harry Kane has been woeful.
Kane was very good in first halfAnd much better defenders...
And as has been mentioned there’ll be more space at his end of the park next week
Grealish will start on Tuesday because Mount is out. Foden will come back in for Saka in all likelihood.
We'll do well to go through the next round, but it isn't impossible. I think we can beat Portugal and Germany but not really basing that on the performances so far.
Harry Kane has been woeful.
Mount will be available, but I’d keep grealish in the side
Kane was very good in first halfAnd much better defenders...
And as has been mentioned there’ll be more space at his end of the park next week
Defenders he plays against every week and scores against regularly.
Got the win and didn't really get going so i suppose that's positive.
Concern for me again is centre midfield. Far too often the pass is sideways to a centre back without getting their heads up and at least looking to play forward. Henderson was better when he came on at playing forwards. Still when Czech pressed the midfield we didn't have anyone to play forwards was just side to side between the centre halves.
Another concern is how easily the Czech players got through our press a few times. We regrouped well but better teams will be so much quicker and sharper. We either needs to press very hard no matter where the ball is or drop off further to stop any gaps. Maybe against better teams that will be the plan leaving more space for our quick players to attack. But on the evidence of yesterday we won't get far pressing decent teams
Spurs have Son and England don't I would imagine explains it all.
Got the win and didn't really get going so i suppose that's positive.
Concern for me again is centre midfield. Far too often the pass is sideways to a centre back without getting their heads up and at least looking to play forward. Henderson was better when he came on at playing forwards. Still when Czech pressed the midfield we didn't have anyone to play forwards was just side to side between the centre halves.
Another concern is how easily the Czech players got through our press a few times. We regrouped well but better teams will be so much quicker and sharper. We either needs to press very hard no matter where the ball is or drop off further to stop any gaps. Maybe against better teams that will be the plan leaving more space for our quick players to attack. But on the evidence of yesterday we won't get far pressing decent teams
In a stat I've never seen before (I think on twitter) it said we're one of the slowest teams in terms of progressing the ball forward and last nights average of 0.7m/s is the lowest int he tournament to date. Presmue thats around where possession starts, where it ends and how long it took to get there. Going to have to try and find it now...!
Edit - can I heckers find it....
France look worse than England yesterday and are level with a non penalty
France look worse than England yesterday and are level with a non penalty
They’re off their game today but I’d far rather face Hungary than them or Portugal so hopefully they raise their game 2nd half.
France look worse than England yesterday and are level with a non penalty
They’re off their game today but I’d far rather face Hungary than them or Portugal so hopefully they raise their game 2nd half.
France look worse than England yesterday and are level with a non penalty
They’re off their game today but I’d far rather face Hungary than them or Portugal so hopefully they raise their game 2nd half.
If the scores remain the same we'll be playing Hungary.
France look worse than England yesterday and are level with a non penalty
They’re off their game today but I’d far rather face Hungary than them or Portugal so hopefully they raise their game 2nd half.
If the scores remain the same we'll be playing Hungary.
Yes, that’s why I said I hope France raise their game - so that we play Hungary. No doubt further twists and turns to come this half though.
We can beat the Germans.
Depends what your ambition is.Just watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.
Also sat thinking a draw Tuesday to finish second is a great result to avoid either of these 2
England finishing second gives them an easier R2 tie, then a very hard QF/SF.
Finishing 1st gives them a much easier run to the final, albeit with a harder R2 tie.
We can beat the Germans.
Of course we can, we've beaten them on a number of occasions in the last few years.
Incredible in Berlin. Germans level up then concede straight away.
We can beat the Germans.
Of course we can, we've beaten them on a number of occasions in the last few years.
Not when it counts though
We've played Germany in four friendlies since they trounced us in the 2010 World Cup, and won only once.
In competitive matches stretching back to Italia 90, we have won twice, lost twice and gone out on penalties after a 1-1 draw twice. One of the wins was the famous 5-1 in 2001, and the other was an ultimately meaningless 1-0 win in Euro 2000 as both teams got knocked out in the group stage.
Nobody remembers how you got there or who you played
Look at Portugal in the last euros, they got to the final by drawing with
Iceland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Poland and beating Wales.
In Euro 2016 Portugal beat Croatia 1-0. In the knock out stages they only needed penalties once to beat a side (Poland in the QF).
Well looking at the first half it either proves we are better than some are making out or the Dutch are sh*te
Could get 5/1 pre-match and 9/2 even at half time, on Czech to win. Looked way too generous especially given how average the Dutch have looked at times.Said to a Dutch mate of mine last week that they'd be favourites for the competition with van Basten or van Nistelrooy up front. As it is, they are very poor up front.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
Like I was saying last week. England will never have a better chance of making a Euro final.
A poor Germany in R2
Sweden in QF
Czechia or Denmark in the semi.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
RA.
It's all about whether football appeals to your heart or your head.
Bottom line for me is that I want football to transport me to another level. With the Rovers, I'm invested and it will always be an emotional experience. When I'm watching Denmark against France, I've no skin in the game. And if I know all the players and their attributes and failings, honestly, where's the interest?
30-40 years ago, that match would have been a fascinating opportunity to see what all the fuss was about Platini, Laudrup, Tigana or Elkaer.
Now we see them every week. And it dulls the senses.
Many years ago, an excellent journalist at the Melody Maker saw the way the wind was blowing with music. The visceral excitement of getting in the bus and going to the record shop and buying THAT album and going back home in the bus with the mounting excitement of whether it would be as good as you hoped...that was going. Because the new world was everything you wanted at the touch of a button.
He called it The Excess of Access and he reckon it would leave us easily bored, less invested and less excited. That's precisely how I feel about top level football these days.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
I guess I view football in a different way to this. I'd rather know as much as I can about a tournament that I'm paying attention to, and am much more invested in a game like Netherlands v Czech (as an example) if I know things about the players going in, even if I don't watch them a lot.
Helps when England play other sides too. I had good knowledge of several Croatia players beyond the stars like Modric and Perisic, and it made me more confident we could beat them.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
I guess I view football in a different way to this. I'd rather know as much as I can about a tournament that I'm paying attention to, and am much more invested in a game like Netherlands v Czech (as an example) if I know things about the players going in, even if I don't watch them a lot.
Helps when England play other sides too. I had good knowledge of several Croatia players beyond the stars like Modric and Perisic, and it made me more confident we could beat them.
It’s the internet and worldwide tv coverage that has taken away all the novelty and expectation away.
When I was a boy and even as a young man, as others have said, we knew naff all about most of the foreign players.
These days loads of fans are experts about all things football, systems managers, even goalkeeping coaches. In fact most people seem to know everything about everything.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
I guess I view football in a different way to this. I'd rather know as much as I can about a tournament that I'm paying attention to, and am much more invested in a game like Netherlands v Czech (as an example) if I know things about the players going in, even if I don't watch them a lot.
Helps when England play other sides too. I had good knowledge of several Croatia players beyond the stars like Modric and Perisic, and it made me more confident we could beat them.
It’s the internet and worldwide tv coverage that has taken away all the novelty and expectation away.
When I was a boy and even as a young man, as others have said, we knew naff all about most of the foreign players.
These days loads of fans are experts about all things football, systems managers, even goalkeeping coaches. In fact most people seem to know everything about everything.
Going off on yet another tangent it's possibly why the FA Cup Final day isn't as big as it used to be. Football on TV is a given these days. Back then it was a pleasure and a novelty.
(Do teams even release cup final records these days?!)
The excess of access.Simon Reynolds RD. Was an excellent writer back in the day. I used to read him in the MM in the late 80s. Looks like he's still active. Here's a example of his writing from a few years back. Looks like he's still living off that phrase.
That chimes with me. I used to be far absorbed with football and music than I am now. I thought, perhaps it's an age thing. Perhaps it is but I do think this idea is part of it.
I stopped collecting records. I don't need to spend all that money. I don't need to own something to listen to it when I want anymore. It's too much of a good thing.
That's part of the loss of the lustre of football DN.
Watching big tournaments used to be like exploring in the jungle. You had little prior knowledge. You'd heard rumours about the amazing things you might see. When you saw them with your own eyes, it was the thrill off the new. Amazing new experiences. Arie Hahn walloping the ball in from 90 yards. Nelinho bending one in from the touchline. Socrates, Milla, Rossi, Kempes, Cruyff.
Now it seems like every f**king side is full of Fulham, Watford and Brighton players. Murdoch stuffs the world's footballers down our throats every week. Nothing is new anymore.
I guess I view football in a different way to this. I'd rather know as much as I can about a tournament that I'm paying attention to, and am much more invested in a game like Netherlands v Czech (as an example) if I know things about the players going in, even if I don't watch them a lot.
Helps when England play other sides too. I had good knowledge of several Croatia players beyond the stars like Modric and Perisic, and it made me more confident we could beat them.
It’s the internet and worldwide tv coverage that has taken away all the novelty and expectation away.
When I was a boy and even as a young man, as others have said, we knew naff all about most of the foreign players.
These days loads of fans are experts about all things football, systems managers, even goalkeeping coaches. In fact most people seem to know everything about everything.
Going off on yet another tangent it's possibly why the FA Cup Final day isn't as big as it used to be. Football on TV is a given these days. Back then it was a pleasure and a novelty.
(Do teams even release cup final records these days?!)
Luck plays a huge part in these competitions, and that doesn’t necessarily mean drawing lower ranked teams.
Portugal made it to round 2 by being one ofthe best of the worst - in days gone by they they wouldn’t have had the opportunity to even play in the knockout stages. I think in their case, it shows the draw system working at its best - albeit with a bit of luck. Then again, you could say Belgium were unlucky to be up against a third place team like Portugal.
Luck of the draw. Sometime luck aligns with expectation. Often it doesn’t.
If England do go on to win this thing, it will be the most incredible achievement by my national team in my lifetime (51 years of hurt). It will be a shame if that is watered down by cries of ‘yeah, but look who we played’.
Pib.
My point was not so much on saturation coverage. As you rightly guessed, I avoid most of that but I do watch occasional MoTDs. My point was that the SKY money has so bloated the English game that the there's not thrill of the new anymore. We KNOW so many of the players already because the obscene money in the English game has brought them to England. Last night, 8 of the Belgian starting XI and 7 of the subs currently play or previously have played in England. In previous eras, there'd have been a frisson of excitement about getting a rare chance to see what Anderlecht star Kevin deBruyne was like and whether he lived up to what we'd heard. Now we can see him every week and the excitement of tournaments is inevitably diluted.
Croatia playing really well in the game on at the moment. They’re such a good side and great to watch. Obviously they’re ageing and past it when they play against England, but against other teams they’re a top team and play some great stuff.
Very fortunate with the goal though, must be said. Unreal that a keeper at the top level can make a mistake like that.
Croatia playing really well in the game on at the moment. They’re such a good side and great to watch. Obviously they’re ageing and past it when they play against England, but against other teams they’re a top team and play some great stuff.
Croatia playing really well in the game on at the moment. They’re such a good side and great to watch. Obviously they’re ageing and past it when they play against England, but against other teams they’re a top team and play some great stuff.
Shame they can’t defend.
I hope our game isn't like this tomorrow. Not sure I could stand it.if you offered it I'd snap your arm off for another tepid yet comfortable 1-0 win tomorrow.
So nervous watching a Switzerland/France shoot out. My heart won’t take such drama tomorrow!
Nerves and clock watching creeping in already. Going to be a long old afternoon.Snap. Let’s get this show on the road.
If we do win tonight I suppose it will be because Germany are “in transition”.
Apparently we’re going to 5/3 at the back. Probably the right thing to do and I’ll be happy if it works to nullify our opponents but there will be a massive backlash if it fails.Think personally that will be our best formation against Germany. We need to keep their wing backs defending and not attacking.
Hope i'm wrong but i can't see where the creativity is in that line up
So if Kane is going to score tonight, who is going to create a chance for him?Disagree. It is how you use that system. If we get forward our wing backs and Sako will provide the creativity.
This is woefull….absolutely bloody lethargic,…set up to not lose, Kane is still lumping round the pitch as if his name is enough…..
We have supposedly fast dynamic skilful players ……wherethefcukarethey??
Struggling to get into the game,no real shots at goal by us.Germany looking the most likely to score.
It’s a good job for the Germans that Hummel is having a good game.
He has saved them at least twice.
I don’t think the Germans are better than us.
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
I agree that Kane isn’t at his best but if he played poor and sticks in a clinching goal he will do for me.
It makes me laugh though when people say “ anyone could have put that in”.
I also think that if we had been two nil down that this thread would have had fifty more posts.
Not many celebrating on here.
Why is that I wonder.
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
I agree that Kane isn’t at his best but if he played poor and sticks in a clinching goal he will do for me.
It makes me laugh though when people say “ anyone could have put that in”.
I also think that if we had been two nil down that this thread would have had fifty more posts.
Sorry hound but any striker at that level would have scored but hey he scored we won we go on to Rome
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
I agree that Kane isn’t at his best but if he played poor and sticks in a clinching goal he will do for me.
It makes me laugh though when people say “ anyone could have put that in”.
I also think that if we had been two nil down that this thread would have had fifty more posts.
Sorry hound but any striker at that level would have scored but hey he scored we won we go on to Rome
Kane was involved in the build up to both goals too.
Good lay offs on the edge of the box.
But, you criticise him if it makes you feel better.
Sterling is a grand player. Lovely first goal.
If you take the emotion out of that game, we were by far the better team, and got what we deserve. Still waiting for a decent team to come up against. Germany were poor, and a shadow of former teams.
WHO CARES GTF IN!!!!
Just heard Shearer say England will never have a better chance of getting to a final.
What an utter Kitson. Preemptively belittling the outcome.
Unfortunately your right hound. Sad isn’t it. :facepalm:That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
I agree that Kane isn’t at his best but if he played poor and sticks in a clinching goal he will do for me.
It makes me laugh though when people say “ anyone could have put that in”.
I also think that if we had been two nil down that this thread would have had fifty more posts.
That miss by Müller felt like a historic tectonic shift. It's usually been us against Germany that have those agonising misses. There was something very talismanic about that.
That miss by Müller felt like a historic tectonic shift. It's usually been us against Germany that have those agonising misses. There was something very talismanic about that.
The South Yorkshire three at the back were magnificentI read 20 years ago that South Yorks produces more pros per head of population than any other English county.
I don't think Germany should be allowed to wear black shirts BTW.
Sterling is a grand player. Lovely first goal.
Agreed.
So basically, if I'm understanding this, we have to beat Ukraine/Sweden and then Czech or Denmark to reach the final? I think England can do that by just staying solid and being patient and bringing the talent in off the bench if its going wrong.You t**t. Belittling the achievement.
The South Yorkshire three at the back were magnificentYorkshire grit. Yes they were top draw. Mention for Pickford too, think he has answered all his doubters emphatically. He has been outstanding in all the games.
The South Yorkshire three at the back were magnificentYorkshire grit. Yes they were top draw. Mention for Pickford too, think he has answered all his doubters emphatically. He has been outstanding in all the games.
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
I agree that Kane isn’t at his best but if he played poor and sticks in a clinching goal he will do for me.
It makes me laugh though when people say “ anyone could have put that in”.
I also think that if we had been two nil down that this thread would have had fifty more posts.
Sorry hound but any striker at that level would have scored but hey he scored we won we go on to Rome
Kane was involved in the build up to both goals too.
Good lay offs on the edge of the box.
But, you criticise him if it makes you feel better.
I have to say...
I thought it was that bit of quality Grealish added that created those opportunities.
That miss by Müller felt like a historic tectonic shift. It's usually been us against Germany that have those agonising misses. There was something very talismanic about that.
When Sterling lost that ball that ended up with the Muller miss, I could see both barrels loaded and both hammers cocked.
When Sterling lost that ball that ended up with the Muller miss, I could see both barrels loaded and both hammers cocked.
Just heard Shearer say England will never have a better chance of getting to a final.
What an utter Kitson. Preemptively belittling the outcome.
Not many celebrating on here.
Why is that I wonder.
Probably coz we were busy watching the f**king game
I was annoyed by Southgate's team selection but in terms of controlling the game and containing the German counter threat, it largely worked. The defence performed very well. He also brought Grealish on at the right time to unlock Germany's defence and he did exactly that. Sterling and Kane got the goals and we won a game for the ages.
Let's hope the confidence from this can carry through to Saturday's Quarter Final.
Just heard Shearer say England will never have a better chance of getting to a final.
What an utter Kitson. Preemptively belittling the outcome.
He’s absolutely right.
I was annoyed by Southgate's team selection but in terms of controlling the game and containing the German counter threat, it largely worked. The defence performed very well. He also brought Grealish on at the right time to unlock Germany's defence and he did exactly that. Sterling and Kane got the goals and we won a game for the ages.
Let's hope the confidence from this can carry through to Saturday's Quarter Final.
The thing is, hound, he has both central midfielders on yellow cards. Either, or both, of them get another in the next game and they’re out the following game, if we’re lucky enough to go through.
Maybe he has to change, at least, one of them for the QF game?
It’s to be hoped, also, that that goal gets HK firing again, as he’s looked a bit sluggish so far. Big relief for him, that goal.
The thing is, hound, he has both central midfielders on yellow cards. Either, or both, of them get another in the next game and they’re out the following game, if we’re lucky enough to go through.
Maybe he has to change, at least, one of them for the QF game?
It’s to be hoped, also, that that goal gets HK firing again, as he’s looked a bit sluggish so far. Big relief for him, that goal.
That miss by Müller felt like a historic tectonic shift. It's usually been us against Germany that have those agonising misses. There was something very talismanic about that.
Tectonic or Teutonic?
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
I agree that Kane isn’t at his best but if he played poor and sticks in a clinching goal he will do for me.
It makes me laugh though when people say “ anyone could have put that in”.
I also think that if we had been two nil down that this thread would have had fifty more posts.
Sorry hound but any striker at that level would have scored but hey he scored we won we go on to Rome
Robbie Savage just scored for Sweden. Via a deflection off Matt Bianco. Clearly I'm not over exposed to ALL the players.
Good point made by a guy on Twitter - it’s the involvement of ex-DRFC lad, Graeme Jones that’s made the difference!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Good point made by a guy on Twitter - it’s the involvement of ex-DRFC lad, Graeme Jones that’s made the difference!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Did anyone notice that bloke in red and white hoops at the front of the stands? Was it a a Rovers top?
Well, I think that's the first time we've beaten Germany in a championship game since 1966. And there have been some painful evenings since then. Lots of demons exorcised tonight.Not quite. We beat them in the group stage of Euro2000. Both sides failed to progress.
That’s why Kane is still on the pitch. Get in.
Thank the lord for Grealish you mean
Who put the ball in the net I mean.
Who put it there and any player would have put that in, I’ve all the respect in the world for Kane but he clearly isn’t anywhere near his best
I agree that Kane isn’t at his best but if he played poor and sticks in a clinching goal he will do for me.
It makes me laugh though when people say “ anyone could have put that in”.
I also think that if we had been two nil down that this thread would have had fifty more posts.
Sorry hound but any striker at that level would have scored but hey he scored we won we go on to Rome
You sound delighted.....
We just beat Germany, lighten up and give us some credit ffs
On the yellow cards - I believe they wipe them after the 2nd Round to avoid players missing out on the semis and final because of it. I might be wrong, but if so Rice and Phillips are off the hook on that one.
On the yellow cards - I believe they wipe them after the 2nd Round to avoid players missing out on the semis and final because of it. I might be wrong, but if so Rice and Phillips are off the hook on that one.
Sadly I think you are wrong and it’s after the quarters
One more thing.
There was a time when I thought Jurgen Klinsmann was only second in line to Andreas Moller as the pinnacle of German arrogance.
I've come to see Klinsmann is really a class act. He was gracious this evening on the BBC.
One more thing.
There was a time when I thought Jurgen Klinsmann was only second in line to Andreas Moller as the pinnacle of German arrogance.
I've come to see Klinsmann is really a class act. He was gracious this evening on the BBC.
Klinsmann is an absolutely top guy. Impossible not to like him.
Well, I think that's the first time we've beaten Germany in a championship game since 1966. And there have been some painful evenings since then. Lots of demons exorcised tonight.Not quite. We beat them in the group stage of Euro2000. Both sides failed to progress.
Interesting viewing on BBC late news with coverage of the crowd at Wembley drinking beer while watching the game, I thought that was against the law in football grounds.
Will they take away their licence? and have any supporters been ejected for taking beer into the stands? have they got stewards stopping you taking alcohol to your seat? have they got yellow lines determining a point past which alcohol should not be taken?
I guess every football league club chairman who watched that will be seething.
Interesting viewing on BBC late news with coverage of the crowd at Wembley drinking beer while watching the game, I thought that was against the law in football grounds.
Will they take away their licence? and have any supporters been ejected for taking beer into the stands? have they got stewards stopping you taking alcohol to your seat? have they got yellow lines determining a point past which alcohol should not be taken?
I guess every football league club chairman who watched that will be seething.
Sterling has turned up when needed though. He was poor against Scotland k thought but excellent tonight. Grealish is a game changer too. England have such brilliant depth in the attacking midfield spots and that's a huge plus.
Going in to the tournament it was all about the defence being not the best. They've been excellent and part of that is the protection. We might not score 5 or 6 a game but we won't concede many.
For me there's only one team in the competition left that's better than England.
Gaz, nobody is happier than me about England getting through to the next round, and hopefully they can go all the way, but, every one of us on here have been treated differently to the crowd at tonight's game as we are not allowed to drink alcohol while watching a game of football unlike most other sports, especially cricket and Rugby, and are restricted as to where you can have a drink at all grounds and certainly not within view of the pitch.
Now either Wembley are not up to the job of policing the law properly,they are exempt from the law, or we are just second class citizens and at Wembley you can watch football with a pint of beer in hand and not at any football League ground.
Having a beer while watching a game is not for me really, But having witnessed people being ejected from the ground, or having the beer confiscated at least, I don't see why Wembley can benefit from the profits of beer sales in the ground and clubs like ourselves cannot.
On a slightly different note, I find it quite annoying the amount of beer being wasted whenever England score. It seems at fan parks up and down the country there seems to be some sort of competition in who can throw around the most ale. I just don’t get it. Drink the bloody stuff, don’t throw it around. Ffs.
They pick who they don't want to take 1 beforehandCheers, Padge. I’d no idea.
Italy are a joy to watch after being subjected to Spain's brand of walking football.
Well surely Italy have breached their bubble
They have looked very good after the first two games which were obviously marred and affected by the erikson incident.
If they won it, I would assume (maybe very wrongly tho) that they would be the first ever winners to lose their first two group games
They have looked very good after the first two games which were obviously marred and affected by the erikson incident.They are the 1st ever to get to the Qtr Finals after losing the 1st 2 group games.
If they won it, I would assume (maybe very wrongly tho) that they would be the first ever winners to lose their first two group games
Do Italy apply the same rules and as strict as the UK when it comes to coming into contact with another? Even if tested negative.
Oh well game over :thumbsup: that was a short match was the goal quicker than the Peterborough one ?
Do Italy apply the same rules and as strict as the UK when it comes to coming into contact with another? Even if tested negative.
they are handing out face mask as the fans go in but ................
the Ukranians fans have refused to wear facemasks and are trying to intimidate the British by wearing "Balaclavas"
:suicide:it helps if you know your history
Southgate is too defensive.
Gone very quiet in that corner hasn’t it.
Think he knows how to set up a team more than any of us do.
Footballs coming home. I really am starting to believe it actually is.
Come on England our time has come. Bring on those Vikings. No not Rovers.
The only compliment I can give is ........that was like watching the German team of the 80s /90s .....
Controlling , impacting, meticulous, grinding and super super confident....with goals.......
Very impressive. I agree with whoever it was said that we looked like Germany from 35 years back.
No you don’t. We haven’t won anything yet have we. NOT YET.Very impressive. I agree with whoever it was said that we looked like Germany from 35 years back.
The thing is BST..... I now know what it must of felt like to be a Germany fan during the 80s 90s.....like ya invincible !
The thing is, hound, he has both central midfielders on yellow cards. Either, or both, of them get another in the next game and they’re out the following game, if we’re lucky enough to go through.
Maybe he has to change, at least, one of them for the QF game?
It’s to be hoped, also, that that goal gets HK firing again, as he’s looked a bit sluggish so far. Big relief for him, that goal.
As for Kane, I know he has been poor so far but he IS quality and that goal will do him a world of good.
Don’t be surprised if he goes on a scoring spree now.
Can't ever remember a ref not bothering to play any added time
Thought that was very strange not adding on time.
Apart from that though the ref was excellent. More than excellent in fact.
Oh if only we could have that standard in League 1. Dream on. ;)
They have looked very good after the first two games which were obviously marred and affected by the erikson incident.
If they won it, I would assume (maybe very wrongly tho) that they would be the first ever winners to lose their first two group games
No you don’t. We haven’t won anything yet have we. NOT YET.Very impressive. I agree with whoever it was said that we looked like Germany from 35 years back.
The thing is BST..... I now know what it must of felt like to be a Germany fan during the 80s 90s.....like ya invincible !
Thought that was very strange not adding on time.
Apart from that though the ref was excellent. More than excellent in fact.
Oh if only we could have that standard in League 1. Dream on. ;)
They aren't that standard in the premiership so we have no chance
Thought that was very strange not adding on time.
Apart from that though the ref was excellent. More than excellent in fact.
Oh if only we could have that standard in League 1. Dream on. ;)
They aren't that standard in the premiership so we have no chance
On top of that, the VAR hasn't been as intrusive either, because they've got people who know what they're doing both on and off the pitch. It shows up what a poor standard of English refs and VAR operatives we truly have.
Thought that was very strange not adding on time.
Apart from that though the ref was excellent. More than excellent in fact.
Oh if only we could have that standard in League 1. Dream on. ;)
They aren't that standard in the premiership so we have no chance
On top of that, the VAR hasn't been as intrusive either, because they've got people who know what they're doing both on and off the pitch. It shows up what a poor standard of English refs and VAR operatives we truly have.
How many more extra times can Spain cope with, if they do win this I’m not so sure they will have the energy to compete in the final
What about the other 5, plus the fact it’s their third time, it’s bound to catch upHow many more extra times can Spain cope with, if they do win this I’m not so sure they will have the energy to compete in the final
They’ve made 6 subs
Thought that was very strange not adding on time.
Apart from that though the ref was excellent. More than excellent in fact.
Oh if only we could have that standard in League 1. Dream on. ;)
They aren't that standard in the premiership so we have no chance
On top of that, the VAR hasn't been as intrusive either, because they've got people who know what they're doing both on and off the pitch. It shows up what a poor standard of English refs and VAR operatives we truly have.
But then it worked for the English ref too. Clearly the system is the problem not the refs within it.
They’ve 5 days to recover now,I’m sure Spain will but they didn’t make the final, might have been different if they had
they will be fine by then